Trubisky ready to rumble.

[Chris Sojka]

during Watsons time with the Texans , the HC has called out the OL. I'd like to see pancake vs. sacks for their OL

I mean. That's what happens with a young QB who holds the ball and tries to buy extra time.

Performance may have been underwhelming at times but to think Watson is some defense reading genius is laughable. His escapability is the biggest threat to defenses not his ability to read defenses. In fact some of his biggest pkays are broken plays where he is just playing backyard football 8 seconds or more into a play. Also Hopkins has been tremendous. Will Fuller is better than just a good starter.

He's not lacking enough support. That's just not true on paper or film.

 

[Bearly]

Mahommes support
Clyde Edwards, Mecole Hardman, Sammy Watkins, Travis Kelce. Thats 4 first tound weapons acquired in the last 6 years for Mahommes.

Watson support
Fuller, Hopkins were there and both 1st rounders,, traded for Tunsil, drafted tackle Titus Howard.

Trubisky support.
No 1st round tackles. Gabe Carimi was the last tackle taken in the first round or second round for the bears. They never reached out for a LT. Kevin White was pretty much done when they drafted Trubisky. No 1st round weapons or protection have been drafted. Instead of saying its Trubisky just say it like it is. We need to get the guy some help.

The Defense has recieved alot of attention. Which is why its the best in the league. The offense outside of Trubisky and Robinson has been asked to overachieve. That simple.

I don't know why you quote me on this since I've never, ever said it was just Trubisky and that quote of mine supported Noonthirtyjoe's assessment. However, not having as much talent around him and Nagy's poor playcalling cannot fully excuse Mitch's poor play last year. It's not mutually exclusive. Nobody wants Trubisky to succeed more than me but willing it is not enough.

 

[Bearly]

during Watsons time with the Texans , the HC has called out the OL. I'd like to see pancake vs. sacks for their OL

It's not a fair comparison besides the fact that he now has a good OL, Watson hold the ball a ridiculously long time. It works for him so I'm not complaining but it does hinder the OL stats. I thought the liar was improved in reading Ds and progressions last year.

 

[Warden of the Northeast]

Mitch can't have the best work ethic if they had to bring in Foles in order to push him to be great. He was always told he was the guy, Chase was never going to take his job.

I think Mitch will play his heart out for this team, but that still doesn't equate to him progressing on the field and being our guy. You can work hard and the results don't always materialize.

 

[Noonthirtyjoe]

Benching Marcus Mariota for Ryan Tannehill was key to Titans' turnaround

The Titans could own a share of first place in the AFC South on Sunday.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Or they started running much more. I think that was the biggest difference, more then qb. A coach adjusted to his players talent. I swear it happens.

 

[Bearly]

Or they started running much more. I think that was the biggest difference, more then qb. A coach adjusted to his players talent. I swear it happens.

It's true but Tannehill did keep D's more honest to help that run. That QB situation baffled me. Mariota has the tools but couldn't make his reads on time or burn an up D. Sometimes they run batter because they fear a pass.
I also never expected Tannehill able to be that opportunistic. In their full games, Mariota averaged 223 yds and Tannehill 270 yards.

 

[circusboy666]

While I’m not unaware he lacks severely in some areas, I’m not like everyone else who just throws him to the side for Foles. I’ve been vocal about Nagys play calling last year and the lack of talent since he’s been here, but Mitch still has a ways to go himself. My thing is he CAN get there. I see enough to be able to keep him around on a team friendly contract if he’s good this year bc quite frankly he’s not making for any team more than top backup money next contract. I’m not ready to give up. His morale, leadership, dedication and drive give me hope. I for one am rooting for Mitch.

 

[Jack Lantern]

Or they started running much more. I think that was the biggest difference, more then qb. A coach adjusted to his players talent. I swear it happens.

With Mariota behind center the Titans O line was on pace to give up 60+ sacks in a full season. At the time of his benching, he was sacked a league leading 25 times behind center in just 5.5 games (he was benched at halftime of the Broncos game).

 

[Noonthirtyjoe]

While I’m not unaware he lacks severely in some areas, I’m not like everyone else who just throws him to the side for Foles. I’ve been vocal about Nagys play calling last year and the lack of talent since he’s been here, but Mitch still has a ways to go himself. My thing is he CAN get there. I see enough to be able to keep him around on a team friendly contract if he’s good this year bc quite frankly he’s not making for any team more than top backup money next contract. I’m not ready to give up. His morale, leadership, dedication and drive give me hope. I for one am rooting for Mitch.

I agree with everything but how much he will cost IF he puts it together this year. He will get paid. PS. If IF he does put it together then were talking possible SB winning QB. With our defense if Trubisky or Foles plays good football we can beat anyone. Big dreams dream big.

 

[Jack Lantern]

I agree with everything but how much he will cost IF he puts it together this year. He will get paid. PS. If IF he does put it together then were talking possible SB winning QB. With our defense if Trubisky or Foles plays good football we can beat anyone. Big dreams dream big.

Depends on your definition of "putting it together", since the history of Bears QB bar is set low to begin with.

Bears don't need a Jared Goff contract weighing them down cause the Rams are regretting that deal and so are the Eagles with Wentz.

Bears already got screwed with the one year wonder Mitch from UNC...he'll be gone. Mitch's ceiling is mid 20's in TD's anyways.

 

[Noonthirtyjoe]

Depends on your definition of "putting it together", since the history of Bears QB bar is set low to begin with.

Bears don't need a Jared Goff contract weighing them down cause the Rams are regretting that deal and so are the Eagles with Wentz.

Bears already got screwed with the one year wonder Mitch from UNC...he'll be gone. Mitch's ceiling is mid 20's in TD's anyways.

Mid 20's is his floor. He plays well he will be here 10 more years. Deal with it hater.

 

[run and shoot]

during Watsons time with the Texans , the HC has called out the OL. I'd like to see pancake vs. sacks for their OL

I mean. That's what happens with a young QB who holds the ball and tries to buy extra time.

Performance may have been underwhelming at times but to think Watson is some defense reading genius is laughable. His escapability is the biggest threat to defenses not his ability to read defenses. In fact some of his biggest pkays are broken plays where he is just playing backyard football 8 seconds or more into a play. Also Hopkins has been tremendous. Will Fuller is better than just a good starter.

He's not lacking enough support. That's just not true on paper or film.

Ok lets unpack some of this

I mean. That's what happens with a young QB who holds the ball and tries to buy extra time.

They have long developing plays that require more pass protection.

Performance may have been underwhelming at times but to think Watson is some defense reading genius is laughable. His escapability is the biggest threat to defenses not his ability to read defenses..

OK this comment is drifting into the land of "red herrings" and " Strawman" when you inject "reading D".
Pass protection is the focus. His escapability is a good attribute for Pass protection breakdown.

In fact some of his biggest pkays are broken plays where he is just playing backyard football 8 seconds or more into a play. Also Hopkins has been tremendous. Will Fuller is better than just a good starter. He's not lacking enough support. That's just not true on paper or film.

I watched games and have seen pass protection breakdowns. I don't view buying time for wr's as "playing backyard football". Sure Hopkins was good. But moving forward.... the pass protection is the key to long developing plays.
Note the pass protection breakdowns in the 3 videos below

Throughout the 1st video below there's NO good pass protection....but go to @3:33 and lets talk "pass protection" .
On the play, Watson read "cover 0", changed the play to a 'hb check down'.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1191017258983673858

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P.S. Based on what I've seen with his Td to ints. I'm very comfortable with Watsons D reading skills. But I don't wanna slip
into the land of "red herrings" and " Strawman"

 

[fenderpfunk]

Honestly I think mitch and nick need to settle this like they do outside the pubs in Dublin

 

[Rob219_CBMB]

Mitch can't have the best work ethic if they had to bring in Foles in order to push him to be great. He was always told he was the guy, Chase was never going to take his job.

I think Mitch will play his heart out for this team, but that still doesn't equate to him progressing on the field and being our guy. You can work hard and the results don't always materialize.

You can work hard and the results don't always materialize.

maybe not or maybe you're correct. But both Nagy and Mitchell should be working on minimizing mistakes, that includes a little bit of everything, but no doubt, i bet some of those plays from last season, they wish they can have it back, 4th downs instead of kicking isn't Tru's fault, which made Mitchell look even more depressing at times that people seem to forget what situations the team was in on top of it.

 

[Rob219_CBMB]

Honestly I think mitch and nick need to settle this like they do outside the pubs in Dublin

mitch easy.
One does not simply fights an Midwestern.

 

[JesusHalasChrist]

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[Xuder O'Clam]

Maybe Mitch's new nickname will be Master Blaster

 

[Mdbearz]

I think Foles is going to make Trubisky look bad if they play preseason games.

Talent wise I think Trubisky might be better, but that means nothing if he simply can not visualize the field. It would be best for the Bears if Trubisky finally got it all to slow down, but I'm just not confident that is going to happen.

I will stick with my initial thought that Foles should start and let Trubisky see how it is done, he might be a visual learner, I know that is how I learn best.

I agree with most that this season can be successful IF we establish a running game, and take the pressure off either QB. It is not the strength of the team and the sooner Nagy understands that the better off the team will be.

The problem is Nagy is thinking if only he can get the QB to play better the team will be at the top of the League, but when the QB play is bottom of the League the entire team follows.

 

[Mdbearz]

Mahommes support
Clyde Edwards, Mecole Hardman, Sammy Watkins, Travis Kelce. Thats 4 first tound weapons acquired in the last 6 years for Mahommes.

Watson support
Fuller, Hopkins were there and both 1st rounders,, traded for Tunsil, drafted tackle Titus Howard.

Trubisky support.
No 1st round tackles. Gabe Carimi was the last tackle taken in the first round or second round for the bears. They never reached out for a LT. Kevin White was pretty much done when they drafted Trubisky. No 1st round weapons or protection have been drafted. Instead of saying its Trubisky just say it like it is. We need to get the guy some help.

The Defense has recieved alot of attention. Which is why its the best in the league. The offense outside of Trubisky and Robinson has been asked to overachieve. That simple.

You are correct, it feels like they have essentially ignored talent on the O-line, and Robinson is the only WR that has #1 talent, but he too was drafted in the second round....

However, this all feels like an excuse for Trubisky and I just do not excuse his poor play. He has contributed to the lack of WR production by missing guys that were open.

Go back and look at all of Robinson's catches last year and it was a rare occasion that Trubisky actually hit him in stride. It was the case of AR making Trubisky look better than he was, not the other way around.....

I was surprised at the number of dropped passes we had last year, but again, Tom Brady has play most of his career with no Name WRs and made them look better than they were.

 

[Mdbearz]

Or they started running much more. I think that was the biggest difference, more then qb. A coach adjusted to his players talent. I swear it happens.

If I remember correctly Tannehill was asked to throw the ball even less than Trubisky was under Fox, but when Tannehill did throw the ball deep he was making teams pay for creeping up into the box.