Tyler Colvin hits for the cycle

[Jntg4]

He will be a good 4th OF and power LHB off bench. He doesnt make enough consistent contact. You just have it your mind that every cubs minor leaguer will become the savior of this franchise.

No, I don't. But I still think he can be an MLB starter, I never said he'd be the Cubs savior. Stop exaggerating.

Tyler has the same approach to hitting that seems to infect all of our minor leaguers which is being allergic to walks. I wouldn't write Colvin off as a fourth OF just yet, but the idea that Colvin was going to be a superstar was a silly notion to begin with.

Why would we write him off as a 4th OF anyway when he could still be a starter?

And who thought he was going to be a superstar? That's ridiculous.

Everyone is saying he sucks based off of this season alone, when he had inconsistent playing time and still never really had a chance. Even when filling in, Campana got a lot of the starts.

 

[daddies3angels]

No, I don't. But I still think he can be an MLB starter, I never said he'd be the Cubs savior. Stop exaggerating.



Why would we write him off as a 4th OF anyway when he could still be a starter?

And who thought he was going to be a superstar? That's ridiculous.

Everyone is saying he sucks based off of this season alone, when he had inconsistent playing time and still never really had a chance. Even when filling in, Campana got a lot of the starts.

Theres a reason for that. Cubs dont see him as an everyday starting OF either. He doesnt make enough contact, swings out of the zone all the time.

 

[Jntg4]

Theres a reason for that. Cubs dont see him as an everyday starting OF either. He doesnt make enough contact, swings out of the zone all the time.

No, it's not that the Cubs didn't think there was potential, it's that they have a RFer who is hitting over .300 right now and Quade wanted to give Campana time too to get that speed into the order.

I mean, unless you are in the Cubs organization, we don't know what they think of him.

 

[daddies3angels]

No, it's not that the Cubs didn't think there was potential, it's that they have a RFer who is hitting over .300 right now and Quade wanted to give Campana time too to get that speed into the order.

I mean, unless you are in the Cubs organization, we don't know what they think of him.

What has Colvin done to show you he could be a good MLB starter for a GOOD TEAM. Yes he can start for a bad team but Cubs want to be good. Yes he hit 20 HR last year buy hit in low .250 showing that he has no plate disclipine and dont make contact enough.

 

[Jntg4]

What has Colvin done to show you he could be a good MLB starter for a GOOD TEAM. Yes he can start for a bad team but Cubs want to be good. Yes he hit 20 HR last year buy hit in low .250 showing that he has no plate disclipine and dont make contact enough.

Adam Dunn at a younger age was much like Colvin.

Angels are a good team... Mark Trumbo
Braves... Freeman
Marlins... Stanton (or did he pick up the AVG this year?)
Sox... Dunn (though he has more power than Colvin, of course)

There are more too, just off the top of my head.

 

[dabynsky]

I think you missed my point Wrigley. I was agreeing with you essentially that Colvin could be an everyday starter. There were many people who were touting Colvin as the next big thing based upon the number of homeruns he hit last year. Superstar might be too strong of wording, but some people were thinking very highly of Colvin.

The Adam Dunn comparision is way off because Dunn has always had more power and way, way better plate discipline. Colvin has more speed and is a much better fielder though.

 

[Jntg4]

I think you missed my point Wrigley. I was agreeing with you essentially that Colvin could be an everyday starter. There were many people who were touting Colvin as the next big thing based upon the number of homeruns he hit last year. Superstar might be too strong of wording, but some people were thinking very highly of Colvin.

The Adam Dunn comparision is way off because Dunn has always had more power and way, way better plate discipline. Colvin has more speed and is a much better fielder though.

Ya, I just meant low AVG but power like daddies was talking about... he never mentioned anything else so I left that out.

 

[dabynsky]

Okay that is fair but most of the low AVG/high power guys you pointed out both hit for more power and draw way more walks. Colvin is going to have to hit for a high average with power to be a useful corner OF because he isn't capable of keeping his OBP up without hitting above .300. If he isn't able to do that, then he won't be anything more than a 4th OF. That said he is still just 25 and there are some signs that he might be able to hit for a high average.

 

[daddies3angels]

Adam Dunn at a younger age was much like Colvin.

Angels are a good team... Mark Trumbo
Braves... Freeman
Marlins... Stanton (or did he pick up the AVG this year?)
Sox... Dunn (though he has more power than Colvin, of course)

There are more too, just off the top of my head.

Adam Dunn hits 40 HR every year not 20 and has OBP of .375+. If Colvin was capable to hit 40 and hit .230 and get on base like Dunn sure. Stanton a 40 HR guy

 

[TheCubfather]

why couldn't colvin do that up here. seems like this guy plays well in the minors, but can't produce up here. maybe he's got a professional complex. lol

 

[daddies3angels]

why couldn't colvin do that up here. seems like this guy plays well in the minors, but can't produce up here. maybe he's got a professional complex. lol

Called a AAAA player...rakes AAA but cant hit MLB pitching. There are alot of guys like that around baseball

 

[TheCubfather]

oh im aware of that. its just a shame that he's one of them. he's got a lot of potential, he just can't seem to put it together in Chicago.

 

[Jntg4]

oh im aware of that. its just a shame that he's one of them. he's got a lot of potential, he just can't seem to put it together in Chicago.

Thank you!

I say we let him start next year if we are able to trade Byrd, with Jackson in CF. See if he can put it together. If not, then replace him for the 2013 season.

 

[Captain Obvious]

I beg to differ. Not going to get into a pissing match with anyone over it though.

It's a baseball forum. The point of having a forum is to argue. Thats what makes it fun.

No, I don't. But I still think he can be an MLB starter, I never said he'd be the Cubs savior. Stop exaggerating.



Why would we write him off as a 4th OF anyway when he could still be a starter?

And who thought he was going to be a superstar? That's ridiculous.

Everyone is saying he sucks based off of this season alone, when he had inconsistent playing time and still never really had a chance. Even when filling in, Campana got a lot of the starts.

No, everyone is saying he sucks because he has done nothing to show that he can be an MLB starter.

 

[Jntg4]

It's a baseball forum. The point of having a forum is to argue. Thats what makes it fun.



No, everyone is saying he sucks because he has done nothing to show that he can be an MLB starter.

He has done nothing to show he can't be either.

In fact, he already has been an MLB starter, last year. From I think June until Quade took over, Colvin was starting the majority of the games.

 

[nwfisch]

It's a baseball forum. The point of having a forum is to argue. Thats what makes it fun.



No, everyone is saying he sucks because he has done nothing to show that he can be an MLB starter.

316 OBP 20 HRs and 56 RBIs as 4th OF. Wouldn't hurt giving him atbats somewhere *first base* because it'd be silly to bench Soriano and Fukudome. Cubs should have saved $10M by not signing Pena.

 

[Captain Obvious]

He has done nothing to show he can't be either.

In fact, he already has been an MLB starter, last year. From I think June until Quade took over, Colvin was starting the majority of the games.

You can hardly call last year's team an MLB team. Similar to the way we have played this year.

He certainly has shown that he can't be an MLB starter. His career .285 OBP, his career .311 wOBA, his 27% K rate, his career 84 wRC+, shall I go on?

 

[Jntg4]

You can hardly call last year's team an MLB team. Similar to the way we have played this year.

He certainly has shown that he can't be an MLB starter. His career .285 OBP, his career .311 wOBA, his 27% K rate, his career 84 wRC+, shall I go on?

OK, so if Castro had done the same thing last year, we'd know that he can never be a starter despite the potential, amiright?

 

[X]

Colvin isn't very good. Got some power...but his book has been written...pitchers aren't going to give him fastballs in the wheelhouse b/c they've never heard of him anymore. They're going to throw garbage outside and watch him strike out. Potential is nothing but un-met expectations. Getting rid of Byrd to play Jackson and Colvin in the outfield next year is surrendering. I'm not ready to do that for next season yet.

 

[Captain Obvious]

316 OBP 20 HRs and 56 RBIs as 4th OF. Wouldn't hurt giving him atbats somewhere *first base* because it'd be silly to bench Soriano and Fukudome. Cubs should have saved $10M by not signing Pena.

Yes, because that 400 PA sample size is really enough to say how he's been. Not that his career numbers are better, but there are so many unsustainable rates that he had last year.