Tyler Colvin hits for the cycle

[X]

Don't worry, I'm used to it by now.

It's good the Cubs have Pena's glove, but that $10M could have went to signing Fielder next year.

he's not on the books next season...so it's still $10M that will go towards Fielder or another FA next season :shrug:

 

[X]

But is there not a chance he could be an MLB starter at some point? CO says there is absolute 0 chance, I say there is a slight chance that I think we should test.

Everything I've seen says you think there's much greater than a "slight chance" Colvin is a productive starter.

I'm saying 5-10% at best...and I'll play the averages when they're that low.

 

[Captain Obvious]

He said IF.

And if they don't, we have some serious issues here.

Yes, he did say IF. You CAN read!!! Then I said who said that the Cubs want to go young? There is absolutely no indication that the Cubs would go with an extreme youth movement.

How do we have serious issues? We aren't all that far away from contending.

 

[Captain Obvious]

But is there not a chance he could be an MLB starter at some point? CO says there is absolute 0 chance, I say there is a slight chance that I think we should test.

If the Cubs want to be good, then Colvin will not be a starter on this team. Yes, he can be an MLB starter, but not a good one.

 

[nwfisch]

And now you're saying that I said that you said that Pena was worse. Which I never said in the first place.

Pena was actually a really good sign, whether you want to believe it or not. Especially with the way that his money was split up.

I get that you are saying you'd rather see Colvin, but Pena's bat and glove are so much better than Colvin's that it is money well spent.

Here we go again.

Carlos Pena is so much better than Tyler Colvin, it isn't even funny. How can you possibly say that it's a waste, when Pena has a better bat and a better glove?

$10M deal is money that could have brought forward next year when the Cubs want to sign a piece going forward like Fielder.

 

[nwfisch]

If the Cubs want to be good, then Colvin will not be a starter on this team. Yes, he can be an MLB starter, but not a good one.

Are you a MLB scout? You can't be 100% sure that Colvin can't be a good MLB player.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Are you a MLB scout? You can't be 100% sure that Colvin can't be a good MLB player.

Oh and a scout can? LOL. No, no one can be 100%, but I can just look at his stats and see that he is a below average player. That's not too hard to do.

 

[X]

Are you a MLB scout? You can't be 100% sure that Colvin can't be a good MLB player.

Well, of course not, but those of us that don't believe he will be can look at the evidence that supports the argument and make an educated claim/hypothesis...


Or more simply put....yeah-huh we can.

 

[Jntg4]

Yes, he did say IF. You CAN read!!! Then I said who said that the Cubs want to go young? There is absolutely no indication that the Cubs would go with an extreme youth movement.

How do we have serious issues? We aren't all that far away from contending.

 

[nwfisch]

yeah-huh we can.

At least you didn't say this

Yes, because that 400 PA sample size is really enough to say how he's been. Not that his career numbers are better, but there are so many unsustainable rates that he had last year.

One could also say that 400 PA is not enough to say how he's going to be either. I see Colvin as a cheap and serviceable bat/fielder, though the Cubs won't know because they sent him down twice.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Dewey Jr?

Post why you don't think so. This is basic common sense here.

 

[nwfisch]

Dempster and Zambrano are in their 30's, Soriano, Byrd, Ramirez, Fukudome, Pena, Grabow, and Johnson are over 30 and past their primes. Hill is Hill. Soto is injury prone. Marmol Marshall and Wood are good. Samardzija doesn't appear to be the anwer going forward. Garza, Wells and Cashner are decent. Barney, Dewitt and Baker are decent too. Castro is a great piece the Cubs have going forward.

The core of the Cubs is old, and has to be rebuilt. Buying free agents didn't work.

 

[Jntg4]

Dewey Jr?

Post why you don't think so. This is basic common sense here.

1) While Dewey seems like a cool guy, no, he is not my father.

2)We are on a downward trend, we are even worse this year than last. We've been declining for years.

Sure we have good players like McNutt and Jackson coming up, but there isn't any other indications of help in the near future. And even they will take a few years before they are truly effective players.

Sure we can go sign Fielder, but all that is doing if making up for the loss of Derrek Lee (and then some, but still not enough of a difference to bring this "team" above .500, much less playoffs IMO).

I just see this as a longer process than you do.

 

[daddies3angels]

Dempster and Zambrano are in their 30's, Soriano, Byrd, Ramirez, Fukudome, Pena, Grabow, and Johnson are over 30 and past their primes. Hill is Hill. Soto is injury prone. Marmol Marshall and Wood are good. Samardzija doesn't appear to be the anwer going forward. Garza, Wells and Cashner are decent. Barney, Dewitt and Baker are decent too. Castro is a great piece the Cubs have going forward.

The core of the Cubs is old, and has to be rebuilt. Buying free agents didn't work.

Got Cubs to 2 Playoffs in 2007 and 2008. Once your in the playoffs anything can happen. Thats the idea is to get into playoffs every year. Best chance for Cubs to do this is spend money coming off the books this year. Its not like Cubs have a top farm system. They have couple of nice specs in Jackson, McNutt and rest are role guys or trade pieces

 

[nwfisch]

Got Cubs to 2 Playoffs in 2007 and 2008. Once your in the playoffs anything can happen. Thats the idea is to get into playoffs every year. Best chance for Cubs to do this is spend money coming off the books this year. Its not like Cubs have a top farm system. They have couple of nice specs in Jackson, McNutt and rest are role guys or trade pieces

6 losses in a row??

Why spend money if top FA's don't want to come to the Cubs. Case and point Alfonso Soriano. Cubs have to have the worst facilities in baseball.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Dempster and Zambrano are in their 30's, Soriano, Byrd, Ramirez, Fukudome, Pena, Grabow, and Johnson are over 30 and past their primes. Hill is Hill. Soto is injury prone. Marmol Marshall and Wood are good. Samardzija doesn't appear to be the anwer going forward. Garza, Wells and Cashner are decent. Barney, Dewitt and Baker are decent too. Castro is a great piece the Cubs have going forward.

The core of the Cubs is old, and has to be rebuilt. Buying free agents didn't work.

Just because they are over 30 doesn't mean that they can't be productive or good. While they may not be what they once were, they can still be good.

 

[daddies3angels]

6 losses in a row??

Why spend money if top FA's don't want to come to the Cubs. Case and point Alfonso Soriano. Cubs have to have the worst facilities in baseball.

Again once in playoffs anything can happen. 6 losses in row just happen. What is more fun to watch though, team competing for playoffs like in 2007 and 2008 or team this year. And yes i know they in this spot this year cause of spending money in 2007 but those contracts coming off books so Big Market has to try it again.

 

[Jntg4]

Just because they are over 30 doesn't mean that they can't be productive or good. While they may not be what they once were, they can still be good.

For how long though? They won't be around, or good anyway, when we are in position to win a championship.

 

[nwfisch]

Just because they are over 30 doesn't mean that they can't be productive or good. While they may not be what they once were, they can still be good.

I said they were past their primes, meaning their best years are behind them. Didn't say they couldn't be good or productive, but the Cubs can't bank on career years from those guys you bolded.

 

[dabynsky]

6 losses in a row??

Why spend money if top FA's don't want to come to the Cubs. Case and point Alfonso Soriano. Cubs have to have the worst facilities in baseball.

The playoffs are a crapshoot. The fact that the Cubs got swept twice doesn't mean they shouldn't have tried to make it into the playoffs, and doesn't mean they shouldn't try to make the playoffs this year (very unlikely to say the least) or make the playoffs next year. The problem with the Cubs has been that they haven't made the playoffs very often, and therefore can't get hot at the right time and luck their way into a WS ala the Cardinals in 2006.