Unpopular opinion

[remydat]

You are a complete and utter fucking idiot.

Lions opponents record (games played so far)
114-78-2
Bears opponents record (games played so far)
107-84-3

It's plain as fucking day, The Bears HAVE NOT played the hardest SOS
At the very best you can say the Bears MIGHT play the hardest SOS by the end of the season.....
But even that is speculative and still largely depends on the outcomes of the next three games.

And you are a fucking idiot. The metric is tracked based on all 17 opponents. So there is not need for anyone to adjust it as if it changes based on future results it will just be updated.

You are trying too hard to find something to whine about. The Bears have the toughest SoS based on how the NFL tracks it. That is all.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

Yep....if only the D could've held the Philly on that clock run out drive, I think JF would've brought us back

Better in the long run though that the defense didn't. Rather get that 2nd overall draft pick and trade it for a haul than win one game in a season where you've already been eliminated from playoff contention.

 

[nc0gnet0]

And you are a fucking idiot. The metric is tracked based on all 17 opponents. So there is not need for anyone to adjust it as if it changes based on future results it will just be updated.

You are trying too hard to find something to whine about. The Bears have the toughest SoS based on how the NFL tracks it. That is all.

Take another "L" and run along. Before you once again butted your vortex head into something, my argument has always been the Bears have not played the hardest SOS. What does is matter if they might have, by seasons end, if the whole topic of the discussion at hand is based on what we have seen so far? For all we know, the Bears next three opponents could all lose out, and the Lions remaining three could all win out. It is about as useless as a metric as when people were toting at the beginning of the year that this years SOS would be much easier than lasts, how did that work out?

 

[pdxbearsfan]

All this is true. Can you imagine if he had protection and someone who could actually get open/separation and then catch the ball.
Need to figure out how to keep JF healthy in the interim.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

I agree the comparison with the Texans is apt but it was also expected given the Bears intentionally tore everything down. I saw a half of preseason football and immediately bet the under on wins because of how untalented the overall roster is. The biggest difference is the Bears have a QB while the Texans keep changing their coach every year while adding a bunch of low ceiling, culture first guys and doing nothing else with the roster. Maybe they get it right this year and draft a QB who becomes a great player, who knows?

But if you're asking me right now which position I'd rather be in, I'd rather be the Bears with a dynamic, play-making QB and $130 million in cap space to help rebuild the roster. As long as they don't go crazy overspending this offseason on bad contracts, they should be able to make some good additions the next couple years in both the draft and free agency to hopefully make them legit Super Bowl contenders 2-3 years from now.

100% on target.

 

[Anytime23]

Sir I'm slow lol....let me re-read ur post

Reference depth and talent. The drop off will not be a "holy ****, season is done, if a starter gets injured and these guys have to hold mantle for a couple of weeks. Fact is, good depth and talent is being created.

I cant be the only one seeing these young low drafted, undrafted guys improving. Or guys like Sanborn undrafted and playing like a 1st or 2nd round pick. Hicks S, Gordon arrow keeps going up, Jones CB,
Blackwell has flashed and looks good on special teams, etc.

We are losing to teams by a possession most games.....that means we compete with vagabonds and lesser talent. Let's u know our soon to be back up talent is not as bad as people think.

It all just seems like hope projection. The talent Poles has brought in seems like a mixed bag at best . He has used high value on low impact.
We see a team being carried by the QB and him being the best athlete on the Field. That's why games are close.

I just haven't seen enough from Poles to have faith that he can get them to amazing depth and talent. By your answer it sounds like you have more faith in coaching than you do talent acquisition.

 

[dentfan]

Yes. Some posters here don’t understand that free agency won’t be Poles basically grocery shopping @dentfan

And some of those free agents want to go to a team that is competing for a Super Bowl in 2023 and not a few years down the road

All I’m Sayin’ is Poles has over a 116 million reasons why.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

All I’m Sayin’ is Poles has over a 116 million reasons why.

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Remember when pace couldn’t get a fa in the door and started throwing 10 mil a year at bums like Bryant and simms? Yeah that happened. It takes two to tango there is no guarantee every fa target wants to play for the bears. They have fields going for them that’s for sure. We don’t know yet if eberflus can draw players in

 

[dentfan]

Remember when pace couldn’t get a fa in the door and started throwing 10 mil a year at bums like Bryant and simms? Yeah that happened. It takes two to tango there is no guarantee every fa target wants to play for the bears. They have fields going for them that’s for sure. We don’t know yet if eberflus can draw players in

True that.

I’m trying to remember, but was that Mitch and Fox?

I think Fields makes a difference. I also think a big trade for a WR may happen, Hopkins or Keenan Allen. Either way, nobody knows now, so we?

So, Poles is going to be like, this is cash in his conversations.

 

[and 69 others]

Take another "L" and run along. Before you once again butted your vortex head into something, my argument has always been the Bears have not played the hardest SOS. What does is matter if they might have, by seasons end, if the whole topic of the discussion at hand is based on what we have seen so far? For all we know, the Bears next three opponents could all lose out, and the Lions remaining three could all win out. It is about as useless as a metric as when people were toting at the beginning of the year that this years SOS would be much easier than lasts, how did that work out?

You got absolutely BODIED in this thread

 

[remydat]

Take another "L" and run along. Before you once again butted your vortex head into something, my argument has always been the Bears have not played the hardest SOS. What does is matter if they might have, by seasons end, if the whole topic of the discussion at hand is based on what we have seen so far? For all we know, the Bears next three opponents could all lose out, and the Lions remaining three could all win out. It is about as useless as a metric as when people were toting at the beginning of the year that this years SOS would be much easier than lasts, how did that work out?

It matters because only a meatball Lions fan cares to track it this way. Everyone else tracks it the way the NFL does. Your point therefore is asinine. No one is changing how this is tracked because an emo Lions fan is trying to troll.

 

[airtime143]

I agree the comparison with the Texans is apt but it was also expected given the Bears intentionally tore everything down. I saw a half of preseason football and immediately bet the under on wins because of how untalented the overall roster is. The biggest difference is the Bears have a QB while the Texans keep changing their coach every year while adding a bunch of low ceiling, culture first guys and doing nothing else with the roster. Maybe they get it right this year and draft a QB who becomes a great player, who knows?

But if you're asking me right now which position I'd rather be in, I'd rather be the Bears with a dynamic, play-making QB and $130 million in cap space to help rebuild the roster. As long as they don't go crazy overspending this offseason on bad contracts, they should be able to make some good additions the next couple years in both the draft and free agency to hopefully make them legit Super Bowl contenders 2-3 years from now.

You have more faith in Justin than I do, I am still a skeptic.
If I could see improvement in recognizing pressure and taking the outlet, I would be more hopeful.

Lets put it this way. Steve young was a spectacular quarterback from the pocket. He had touch and recognized what he faced play by play, and could be deadly nickel and diming down the field.
Despite that skill, despite that all pro line and all pro receivers, He cut short his career extending plays with his legs and piling up the concussions.

Fields has spectacular ability with his feet, But I have yet to see him demonstrate he can get it done from the pocket.

Now, cue the fanbois who will jump in here and whine about receivers and the line. Yup. They are not great. But that does not mean the 20 or 30 percent of plays where he can hit quick routes should be overlooked.

TL;DR, I have seen this type of player enough to know injuries are likely, There will absolutely be times when he is physically compromised, and it is unknown as of yet if he can slide in the pocket and make throws.
If he gets there, great. If he doesnt, it will not be unheard of. We have seen quite a few talented athletes facing the same questions, and the results vary wildly.

 

[Bust]

I'm hopeful. This offseason is huge. Please let Poles be the real deal.

Like his most recent draft and trades, he gonna have his share of whiffs.

But yea, with the resources. If the Bears aren't contending for at least a wildcard next season his job will be on the line next to his buddy Eberflus.

 

[nc0gnet0]

It matters because only a meatball Lions fan cares to track it this way. Everyone else tracks it the way the NFL does. Your point therefore is asinine. No one is changing how this is tracked because an emo Lions fan is trying to troll.

No, only a dumbfuck Bears fan would sit and talk about the status of the Bears to date, based on the games they have seen so far this season, and then make a statement that "well, the Bears have the hardest SOS"? what the **** does it matter if the remaining games are hard, when you are talking about the way they have played to date?

So, your telling me if by some set of circumstances, the remaining teams the Bears had to play were all one win teams, and in turn that gave them the easiest strenght of schedule, you would be saying, Oh wow, the Bears have the easiest SOS in this thread?
Take your "L".

 

[remydat]

You have more faith in Justin than I do, I am still a skeptic.
If I could see improvement in recognizing pressure and taking the outlet, I would be more hopeful.

Lets put it this way. Steve young was a spectacular quarterback from the pocket. He had touch and recognized what he faced play by play, and could be deadly nickel and diming down the field.
Despite that skill, despite that all pro line and all pro receivers, He cut short his career extending plays with his legs and piling up the concussions.

Fields has spectacular ability with his feet, But I have yet to see him demonstrate he can get it done from the pocket.

Now, cue the fanbois who will jump in here and whine about receivers and the line. Yup. They are not great. But that does not mean the 20 or 30 percent of plays where he can hit quick routes should be overlooked.

TL;DR, I have seen this type of player enough to know injuries are likely, There will absolutely be times when he is physically compromised, and it is unknown as of yet if he can slide in the pocket and make throws.
If he gets there, great. If he doesnt, it will not be unheard of. We have seen quite a few talented athletes facing the same questions, and the results vary wildly.

Hmm, whether a QB gets injured or not is more a function of whether they can project themselves or not. Guys like Wilson did and guys like RGIII didn't. Fields has shown quite a bit of growth on that front as the season has progressed.

I would also say as long as Fields is converting 3rd downs at a 44% clip, it won't matter if he is doing it from the pocket or not. More than one way to skin a cat. This is not to say Fields shouldn't seek to improve his game but simply to say I think we get too hung up on having to fit a prototype or mold. The main thing a QB has to do is contribute to your team winning and Fields has been making enough plays to do that and the question is can the rest of the O and the D catch up over the next year or two.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

You have more faith in Justin than I do, I am still a skeptic.
If I could see improvement in recognizing pressure and taking the outlet, I would be more hopeful.

Lets put it this way. Steve young was a spectacular quarterback from the pocket. He had touch and recognized what he faced play by play, and could be deadly nickel and diming down the field.
Despite that skill, despite that all pro line and all pro receivers, He cut short his career extending plays with his legs and piling up the concussions.

Fields has spectacular ability with his feet, But I have yet to see him demonstrate he can get it done from the pocket.

Now, cue the fanbois who will jump in here and whine about receivers and the line. Yup. They are not great. But that does not mean the 20 or 30 percent of plays where he can hit quick routes should be overlooked.

TL;DR, I have seen this type of player enough to know injuries are likely, There will absolutely be times when he is physically compromised, and it is unknown as of yet if he can slide in the pocket and make throws.
If he gets there, great. If he doesnt, it will not be unheard of. We have seen quite a few talented athletes facing the same questions, and the results vary wildly.

Thanks for the response. You're certainly allowed to be skeptical and I have no intention of changing your mind. Hopefully his play on the field with a better supporting cast can remove any remaining doubt going forward.

A large portion of my initial belief in Fields was that I saw him play in person and dominate unlike any QB I've ever seen in person. In the game I saw him play, he displayed precision passing, an ability to make every throw and a willingness to run only when absolutely necessary to extend drives. He's the only QB I can remember thinking to myself after a game 'that guy is a future multi-time pro bowler if he stays healthy' and it was only like his 5th or 6th start. He ended up throwing for like 3 TDs and running for another so I was all-in on him being a top prospect after that day. His performance with broken ribs and outdueling Trevor Lawrence in the CFB Playoffs had me completely sold on his toughness. So I felt like if he could survive long enough to get some competent pieces around him that he would excel.

So I will fully admit, I've been all in on him as a prospect for quite a while. I believe this roster is so devoid of talent that it blows my mind that they're even competitive. If they ever get him an offensive line, I believe he'll play much more like he did at Ohio State with running only when absolutely necessary and instead pick them apart with his passing and penchant for big plays. I do not believe he's anywhere close to a finished product which is also why I'm so excited about the future. But until he shows that and shows it consistently, I can understand the skepticism.

 

[remydat]

No, only a dumbfuck Bears fan would sit and talk about the status of the Bears to date, based on the games they have seen so far this season, and then make a statement that "well, the Bears have the hardest SOS"? what the **** does it matter if the remaining games are hard, when you are talking about the way they have played to date?

So, your telling me if by some set of circumstances, the remaining teams the Bears had to play were all one win teams, and in turn that gave them the easiest strenght of schedule, you would be saying, Oh wow, the Bears have the easiest SOS in this thread?
Take your "L".

No you made an assumption. Nowhere did the poster claim his reference to SoS was referring to games played. He even showed you the link he was using which is obvious that it included of all 17 opponents. The simply thing to do would just accept that you were using a different measurement than he was but you decided to make a big deal about it because you are a biased Lions fan.

And yes, if I was going by the link Legend provided, I would say they have the easiest schedule as there would be little value in me splitting hears between the fact they were 7th easiest in SoS in games played but projected to finish 1st. The reason being is if I were actually considering Legend's argument honestly the point was they have had 7 one score loses while playing a tough schedule. The only time it would really be relevant for me to distinguish would be if say those two numbers were far apart like if they had the 30th easiest to date and then 1st easiest from overall.

This is all a means for you to avoid the fact that the Bears have had 7 one score games. Something last year you pointed out when it was the Lions but now you want to somehow belittle when it was the Bears. You are so petty and angry over the fact you got shit for it last year that you are willing to abandon your own logic and reason just to play "gotcha". This is why you ultimately fail as a poster on here. If you are going to come to a hostile site and gain any sort of traction, you have to be consistent in how you apply your logic. Yet you will routinely make one argument when it is the Lions and then make the opposite argument when it is the Bears. As someone that routinely argues against people hostile to me, being a hypocrite is not going to win you many arguments or firends.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

It's painful to watch and I cry/whine with the best of them, but the Bears in about 2 or 3 years (barring injuries and major busts via draft), are going to have a team with amazing depth and talent. We will have a team that will be contending for several years.

What I saw today by patch work line ups, was pretty damn amazing and guys actually were trying to compete. Let's give Flus and crew some time. We may have something.

Still waiting on the unpopular opinion ... unless you are talking about it being an unpopular opinion for Halfwit.

 

[Anytime23]

Now, cue the fanbois who will jump in here and whine about receivers and the line.

Your post/***** about Fields fanbois ratio over the past month or so is 1/1. Time to get over it.

 

[remydat]

Like can we cut the bullshit for once. What do you honestly believe @nc0gnet0? Is it a good thing when a rebuilding team loses a lot of one score games or not? Were you full of shit last year when you said yes when it was the Lions or are you full of shit this year when you said no now that it is the Bears?