Unpopular opinion

[Bearcub13]

I can almost guarantee this isn't happening.

How much you wanna bet the Bears in the post season 2024?

 

[nc0gnet0]

No you made an assumption. Nowhere did the poster claim his reference to SoS was referring to games played. He even showed you the link he was using which is obvious that it included of all 17 opponents. The simply thing to do would just accept that you were using a different measurement than he was but you decided to make a big deal about it because you are a biased Lions fan.

And yes, if I was going by the link Legend provided, I would say they have the easiest schedule as there would be little value in me splitting hears between the fact they were 7th easiest in SoS in games played but projected to finish 1st. The reason being is if I were actually considering Legend's argument honestly the point was they have had 7 one score loses while playing a tough schedule. The only time it would really be relevant for me to distinguish would be if say those two numbers were far apart like if they had the 30th easiest to date and then 1st easiest from overall.

This is all a means for you to avoid the fact that the Bears have had 7 one score games. Something last year you pointed out when it was the Lions but now you want to somehow belittle when it was the Bears. You are so petty and angry over the fact you got shit for it last year that you are willing to abandon your own logic and reason just to play "gotcha". This is why you ultimately fail as a poster on here. If you are going to come to a hostile site and gain any sort of traction, you have to be consistent in how you apply your logic. Yet you will routinely make one argument when it is the Lions and then make the opposite argument when it is the Bears. As someone that routinely argues against people hostile to me, being a hypocrite is not going to win you many arguments or firends.

Blah blah blah blah blah

To date the Bears have not played the hardest SOS
At the end of the seaon they might have.
thanks for interupting with your nonsense
thanks for being wrong and trying to vortex it.

Again you total clueless dipshit.........

Post 34

So Bears have played 7 let down games?

This is also with the toughest SoS in the league.



Right from the start, it was referencing games played.

My reply was to point out that the Bears in fact HAVE NOT played the toughest SOS.

Take another L

Keep em coming

And then, after being totally destroyed in the argument, you pull your Remy shit and try to redirect it into a useless sub argument about masturbation and vague general interpretation of what I said last year, all without any substantiating proof. The fact of the matter is, I said the Lions were a horrible 3 win team last year, but were building a foundation for the future. And unlike your bizare preseason arguments, mine have shown to come true.

and this is the ultimate reason YOU FAIL as a poster on here.

oh and btw, your rising star jenkins will be lucky to see his second NFL contract

 

[bears26]

It's painful to watch and I cry/whine with the best of them, but the Bears in about 2 or 3 years (barring injuries and major busts via draft), are going to have a team with amazing depth and talent. We will have a team that will be contending for several years.

What I saw today by patch work line ups, was pretty damn amazing and guys actually were trying to compete. Let's give Flus and crew some time. We may have something.

All Poles needs is one off-season. The Bears are ready to compete for the Super Bowl next season if they add the right pieces. Fields is already competing with that garbage the Bears have at the WR position (Bears have been in almost all games). Fields is by far the best QB in the NFC. No reason they should not be in it next season and they will. Lions and Bears are probably the future of the NFC North.

 

[Cabbage King]

I expected the 1st post of this thread to say "I don't think Justin Fields is a future multi-time MVP" followed by copious responses calling OP a hater.

 

[TL1961]

You have more faith in Justin than I do, I am still a skeptic.
If I could see improvement in recognizing pressure and taking the outlet, I would be more hopeful.

Lets put it this way. Steve young was a spectacular quarterback from the pocket. He had touch and recognized what he faced play by play, and could be deadly nickel and diming down the field.
Despite that skill, despite that all pro line and all pro receivers, He cut short his career extending plays with his legs and piling up the concussions.

Fields has spectacular ability with his feet, But I have yet to see him demonstrate he can get it done from the pocket.

Now, cue the fanbois who will jump in here and whine about receivers and the line. Yup. They are not great. But that does not mean the 20 or 30 percent of plays where he can hit quick routes should be overlooked.

TL;DR, I have seen this type of player enough to know injuries are likely, There will absolutely be times when he is physically compromised, and it is unknown as of yet if he can slide in the pocket and make throws.
If he gets there, great. If he doesnt, it will not be unheard of. We have seen quite a few talented athletes facing the same questions, and the results vary wildly.

You realize he just played without his top 4 receivers and started the game with a terrible group of receivers, right?

"I still haven't seen..." implies he has a chance to do something this season from the pocket when he has nobody getting separation and guys who don't win jump balls, get many YAC or catch particularly well.

 

[TL1961]

All Poles needs is one off-season. The Bears are ready to compete for the Super Bowl next season if they add the right pieces. Fields is already competing with that garbage the Bears have at the WR position (Bears have been in almost all games). Fields is by far the best QB in the NFC. No reason they should not be in it next season and they will. Lions and Bears are probably the future of the NFC North.

Fields has a world of potential and a lot of skill. But this team has beaten three teams, including the Fighting Lovies (at home in a game that went down to the wire), the Niners in a monsoon.

I am very bullish on their future, but Super Bowl contenders next year? Whoa!

 

[airtime143]

Hmm, whether a QB gets injured or not is more a function of whether they can project themselves or not. Guys like Wilson did and guys like RGIII didn't. Fields has shown quite a bit of growth on that front as the season has progressed.

I would also say as long as Fields is converting 3rd downs at a 44% clip, it won't matter if he is doing it from the pocket or not. More than one way to skin a cat. This is not to say Fields shouldn't seek to improve his game but simply to say I think we get too hung up on having to fit a prototype or mold. The main thing a QB has to do is contribute to your team winning and Fields has been making enough plays to do that and the question is can the rest of the O and the D catch up over the next year or two.

Wilson is going to be a great example to watch. The sample size is a little too small to put a ton of faith in yet, but the last 2 years have been the only 2 years he had less than 4 attempt per game, and the last 2 years have also been his worst as a pro. Beyond that, Wilson absolutely came out as a very solid pocket passer, and has been prolific his whole career, but he is in year 11 and looking like there is a chance he is done for.

Also, His first 2 years, Wilson ran 6 times per game (5.9 year one, 6.0 year 2). Fields s at 8.9 over his career, and this year is at 11 per game.
That is a large difference.

Put it this way- Wilson's most rushing attempts in a season was 2014, 7.4 per game. That was coupled with 28 passing attempts per game, a 4-1 ratio pass over run.
This season, Fields has 11 runs per game and 21 passing attempts.

We are talking apples and oranges between the 2.

 

[remydat]

Blah blah blah blah blah

To date the Bears have not played the hardest SOS
At the end of the seaon they might have.
thanks for interupting with your nonsense
thanks for being wrong and trying to vortex it.

Again you total clueless dipshit.........

Post 34


This is also with the toughest SoS in the league.



Right from the start, it was referencing games played.

My reply was to point out that the Bears in fact HAVE NOT played the toughest SOS.

Take another L

Keep em coming

And then, after being totally destroyed in the argument, you pull your Remy shit and try to redirect it into a useless sub argument about masturbation and vague general interpretation of what I said last year, all without any substantiating proof. The fact of the matter is, I said the Lions were a horrible 3 win team last year, but were building a foundation for the future. And unlike your bizare preseason arguments, mine have shown to come true.

and this is the ultimate reason YOU FAIL as a poster on here.

oh and btw, your rising star jenkins will be lucky to see his second NFL contract

The response did not say, this is with PLAYING the toughest schedule. It just said this is with the toughest schedule. So you made an assumption there that was not in the response. The post clearly provided a link that did in fact show they have the toughest schedule.

 

[remydat]

Wilson is going to be a great example to watch. The sample size is a little too small to put a ton of faith in yet, but the last 2 years have been the only 2 years he had less than 4 attempt per game, and the last 2 years have also been his worst as a pro. Beyond that, Wilson absolutely came out as a very solid pocket passer, and has been prolific his whole career, but he is in year 11 and looking like there is a chance he is done for.

Also, His first 2 years, Wilson ran 6 times per game (5.9 year one, 6.0 year 2). Fields s at 8.9 over his career, and this year is at 11 per game.
That is a large difference.

Put it this way- Wilson's most rushing attempts in a season was 2014, 7.4 per game. That was coupled with 28 passing attempts per game, a 4-1 ratio pass over run.
This season, Fields has 11 runs per game and 21 passing attempts.

We are talking apples and oranges between the 2.

Wilson when he came out was a game manager not an elite pocket passer. In any event the point was not about passing. The point was about mobile QBs protecting themselves and the point was Wilson protected himself and RGIII didn't. Fields has been getting better at protecting himself.

 

[TedPhillipsToupe]

I mean there’s 0 reason to trust the Bears franchise, but Isn’t posting something positive about them a bannable offense on this board?

 

[nc0gnet0]

The response did not say, this is with PLAYING the toughest schedule. It just said this is with the toughest schedule. So you made an assumption there that was not in the response. The post clearly provided a link that did in fact show they have the toughest schedule.

Now your really grasping at straws,

So if it is the after the fifth game of the season, and the teams the Bears have played have a collective record is 5-20, but the remaining schedule is of all undefeated teams, you say....but but, we have the hardest SOS.

Get the **** out.

 

[Bearcub13]

They've lost 7 games by 1 score or less. It isn't like it's out of the ordinary for Fields making the Bears competitive in an otherwise lost season. You can call it a let down game, whatever and that's cool. But it's a Bears board, I'm allowed to be optimistic.

In Sunday's game, Fields clearly was avoiding contact, I believe if this game mattered Fields would have won it with his legs. I agree that avoiding contact is the smart thing to do at this point, his AC joint is not healed and why risk the rest of the season on a game that really meant nothing in the standings.

 

[bamainatlanta]

You have more faith in Justin than I do, I am still a skeptic.
If I could see improvement in recognizing pressure and taking the outlet, I would be more hopeful.

Lets put it this way. Steve young was a spectacular quarterback from the pocket. He had touch and recognized what he faced play by play, and could be deadly nickel and diming down the field.
Despite that skill, despite that all pro line and all pro receivers, He cut short his career extending plays with his legs and piling up the concussions.

Fields has spectacular ability with his feet, But I have yet to see him demonstrate he can get it done from the pocket.

Now, cue the fanbois who will jump in here and whine about receivers and the line. Yup. They are not great. But that does not mean the 20 or 30 percent of plays where he can hit quick routes should be overlooked.

TL;DR, I have seen this type of player enough to know injuries are likely, There will absolutely be times when he is physically compromised, and it is unknown as of yet if he can slide in the pocket and make throws.
If he gets there, great. If he doesnt, it will not be unheard of. We have seen quite a few talented athletes facing the same questions, and the results vary wildly.

Young didn’t show anything until about year 7. He sat for a long time

 

[remydat]

Now your really grasping at straws,

So if it is the after the fifth game of the season, and the teams the Bears have played have a collective record is 5-20, but the remaining schedule is of all undefeated teams, you say....but but, we have the hardest SOS.

Get the **** out.

But he didn't mention it after 5 games. We only have 3 games left and the Bears are currently 7th in SoS based on teams played and will be No 1 by end of the year. So it is quite stupid to make a point out of this. As you noted the Lions already played the Bills and Vikes (2) but once the Bears play them they will blow by the Lions Strength of Schedule as the Lions have teams with terrible records left.

Even if those teams lose the issue is that loss would count for the Lions SoS as well so there is no way for the Bears not to finish ahead of the Lions since they played common opponents. Then there is the fact the Lions have the Bears and there is no way the Bears can finish ahead of the Lions. So the fact the Bears SoS is the toughest is pretty much a forgone conclusion this late in the season.

 

[nc0gnet0]

But he didn't mention it after 5 games. We only have 3 games left and the Bears are currently 7th in SoS based on teams played and will be No 1 by end of the year. So it is quite stupid to make a point out of this. As you noted the Lions already played the Bills and Vikes (2) but once the Bears play them they will blow by the Lions Strength of Schedule as the Lions have teams with terrible records left.

Even if those teams lose the issue is that loss would count for the Lions SoS as well so there is no way for the Bears not to finish ahead of the Lions since they played common opponents. Then there is the fact the Lions have the Bears and there is no way the Bears can finish ahead of the Lions. So the fact the Bears SoS is the toughest is pretty much a forgone conclusion this late in the season.

To date, the Lion have had a stronger SOS than the Bears.

End of discussion

the comment was made in regards to the 7 close game the BEARS HAVE PLAYED.

Anyone with a brane can tell the context in which the comment was made.

I am sorry you do not fall into that category.

Yes, at the end of the season, the Bears will most likely have a stronger SOS, but they could very well have the doors blown off them in the next 3 games as well, making the whole argument of being competitive mute. And the Bears have really only been competitive in 4 of their loss's, not 7.

Even if those teams lose the issue is that loss would count for the Lions SoS as well so there is no way for the Bears not to finish ahead of the Lions since they played common opponents.

I was speaking to the uncommon opponents and the Bears and Lions themselves. I will grant you that it is an unlikely hypothetical, but it is possible.

 

[The Hawk]

Now your really grasping at straws,

So if it is the after the fifth game of the season, and the teams the Bears have played have a collective record is 5-20, but the remaining schedule is of all undefeated teams, you say....but but, we have the hardest SOS.

Get the **** out.

Pathetic post. I guess the shittiest city in the world, Detroit, doesn't have a sports site that beings like this can discuss their shitty city and team.

 

[bamainatlanta]

To date, the Lion have had a stronger SOS than the Bears.

End of discussion

the comment was made in regards to the 7 close game the BEARS HAVE PLAYED.

Anyone with a brane can tell the context in which the comment was made.

I am sorry you do not fall into that category.

Yes, at the end of the season, the Bears will most likely have a stronger SOS, but they could very well have the doors blown off them in the next 3 games as well, making the whole argument of being competitive mute. And the Bears have really only been competitive in 4 of their loss's, not 7.

Even if those teams lose the issue is that loss would count for the Lions SoS as well so there is no way for the Bears not to finish ahead of the Lions since they played common opponents.

I was speaking to the uncommon opponents and the Bears and Lions themselves. I will grant you that it is an unlikely hypothetical, but it is possible.

Lol. One score games aren’t competitive.

NYG, Washington, Detroit, Philly, Minnesota, Miami, Falcons were all very competitive. That’s 7 right there and not even including the Packers 2nd game, which was very competitive. Keep trying tho

 

[remydat]

To date, the Lion have had a stronger SOS than the Bears.

End of discussion

the comment was made in regards to the 7 close game the BEARS HAVE PLAYED.

Anyone with a brane can tell the context in which the comment was made.

I am sorry you do not fall into that category.

Yes, at the end of the season, the Bears will most likely have a stronger SOS, but they could very well have the doors blown off them in the next 3 games as well, making the whole argument of being competitive mute. And the Bears have really only been competitive in 4 of their loss's, not 7.

Even if those teams lose the issue is that loss would count for the Lions SoS as well so there is no way for the Bears not to finish ahead of the Lions since they played common opponents.

I was speaking to the uncommon opponents and the Bears and Lions themselves. I will grant you that it is an unlikely hypothetical, but it is possible.

No one claimed otherwise. The claim was the Bears have the toughest strength of schedule and they do per all opponents. Again you decided to modify that to mean opponents played to date but the original comment did not say that.

Further the original comment by me was that the Bears lost 7 let down games ie 7 games by 1 score. The Lions lost 6 of those games last year. So even if the Bear get blown out the last 3 games, they still would have lost 7 games by 1 score while playing the hardest schedule. So that is still better than the Lions last year as the Lions did not have a tougher schedule last year. The whole point was your hypocrisy in touting all the closes losses by the Lions last year but trying to shit on the Bears close losses this year with a harder schedule.

So why were the 6 close losses last year good for the Lions bit the 7 this year not good for the Bears?