Updates to the Kane situation

[HeHateMe]

The same rules apply to every s assault case, as evidenced on the front page of today's Trib sports section...it is the man who carries the the burden of proof.

Even if Kane is completely cleared, for him the story won't go away for a very long time.

Oh boo hoo. So the poor guy is going to be thought of as a drunk idiot who can't avoid embarrassing himself in public. What a shame, must be rough to be an idiot who makes poor decisions that effect his popularity. Millionaire sports stars should be able to get as drunk as they want in public and act like dipshits without having to deal with public opinion...

 

[HeHateMe]

It sure does, but the standard is not to presume guilt and arrest everyone accused of it.

I don't disagree, cops should have evidence before arresting people for rape. Like with any crime. Wtf is your point?

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Since other thread is closed:

Judicial system in this country is a joke.

A woman can press bogus sexual assault charges, and then is not even prosecuted for filing a false police report when the accused is cleared.

Should this be the case w/Kane, his only recourse is to file a civil claim for $$ damages...which would be a waste of time considering he doesn't need the cash.

This is all by design to encourage women to come forward in sexual assault cases, yet in many cases it is the ACCUSED who winds up the true victim.

Moral for us men to abide by, be very, very careful...as only we are held accountable in the U.S.

A woman can also press charges of an actual assault that's not a money grab, and have her whole life scrutinized and dragged through the mud for being a victim. She could also see no charges being filed due to lack of evidence or shotty police work despite an assault happening, thus she gets no closure or support while the perpetrator walks away clean. This is more of the reality then people being randomly accused.

People claim that celebrities are always targeted, but for every US athlete playing on professional sports, how many can you really name that get into this situation? Maybe 5-10. That leaves over 90% who are able to never get themselves into this situation. Wonder why?



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[1ke]

Yes

 

[Sunbiz1]

A woman can also press charges of an actual assault that's not a money grab, and have her whole life scrutinized and dragged through the mud for being a victim. She could also see no charges being filed due to lack of evidence or shotty police work despite an assault happening, thus she gets no closure or support while the perpetrator walks away clean. This is more of the reality then people being randomly accused.

People claim that celebrities are always targeted, but for every US athlete playing on professional sports, how many can you really name that get into this situation? Maybe 5-10. That leaves over 90% who are able to never get themselves into this situation. Wonder why?



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Never said Kane uses good judgement.

The system is designed to encourage victims to come forward. This is why prosecutors refuse to pursue charges against the complaining witness, even in cases of outright perjury.

Also:
"New details are emerging about the time that Patrick Kane spent in a downtown Buffalo nightclub last weekend and the allegations made by a woman who claims that Kane raped her after meeting her in the club and taking her to his Town of Hamburg waterfront home.

Sources with knowledge of the investigation said that the young woman who has accused the hockey superstar of rape had bite marks on her shoulders and a scratch on her leg after the alleged attack.

The woman alleges that Kane invited her and a female friend to his home for a private party after they met him last Saturday night at SkyBar, a popular nightclub on Franklin Street, the sources said.

Shortly after she and her friend arrived at Kane’s home on Old Lakeshore Road, the accuser alleges that she went by herself into another room, where Kane followed her, overpowered her and raped her, the sources said.

The woman left Kane’s home with her friend and used a cellphone to call a relative immediately after the alleged attack. She then went to a local hospital for examination, and police were called afterward, the sources said.

The alleged attack occurred about 4 a.m. last Sunday, about an hour after Kane was seen leaving SkyBar.

A person who knows the woman described her as frantic and traumatized when she called her relative to report what happened."

Here we have a TON of alleged information, yet the alleged victim still remains unidentified to the public.

 

[HeHateMe]

Never said Kane uses good judgement.

The system is designed to encourage victims to come forward. This is why prosecutors refuse to pursue charges against the complaining witness, even in cases of outright perjury.

Also:
"New details are emerging about the time that Patrick Kane spent in a downtown Buffalo nightclub last weekend and the allegations made by a woman who claims that Kane raped her after meeting her in the club and taking her to his Town of Hamburg waterfront home.

Sources with knowledge of the investigation said that the young woman who has accused the hockey superstar of rape had bite marks on her shoulders and a scratch on her leg after the alleged attack.

The woman alleges that Kane invited her and a female friend to his home for a private party after they met him last Saturday night at SkyBar, a popular nightclub on Franklin Street, the sources said.

Shortly after she and her friend arrived at Kane’s home on Old Lakeshore Road, the accuser alleges that she went by herself into another room, where Kane followed her, overpowered her and raped her, the sources said.

The woman left Kane’s home with her friend and used a cellphone to call a relative immediately after the alleged attack. She then went to a local hospital for examination, and police were called afterward, the sources said.

The alleged attack occurred about 4 a.m. last Sunday, about an hour after Kane was seen leaving SkyBar.

A person who knows the woman described her as frantic and traumatized when she called her relative to report what happened."

Here we have a TON of alleged information, yet the alleged victim still remains unidentified to the public.

What is your complaint? That you don't know the name of the person you'd like to impune?

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Never said Kane uses good judgement.

The system is designed to encourage victims to come forward. This is why prosecutors refuse to pursue charges against the complaining witness, even in cases of outright perjury.

Also:
"New details are emerging about the time that Patrick Kane spent in a downtown Buffalo nightclub last weekend and the allegations made by a woman who claims that Kane raped her after meeting her in the club and taking her to his Town of Hamburg waterfront home.

Sources with knowledge of the investigation said that the young woman who has accused the hockey superstar of rape had bite marks on her shoulders and a scratch on her leg after the alleged attack.

The woman alleges that Kane invited her and a female friend to his home for a private party after they met him last Saturday night at SkyBar, a popular nightclub on Franklin Street, the sources said.

Shortly after she and her friend arrived at Kane’s home on Old Lakeshore Road, the accuser alleges that she went by herself into another room, where Kane followed her, overpowered her and raped her, the sources said.

The woman left Kane’s home with her friend and used a cellphone to call a relative immediately after the alleged attack. She then went to a local hospital for examination, and police were called afterward, the sources said.

The alleged attack occurred about 4 a.m. last Sunday, about an hour after Kane was seen leaving SkyBar.

A person who knows the woman described her as frantic and traumatized when she called her relative to report what happened."

Here we have a TON of alleged information, yet the alleged victim still remains unidentified to the public.

Should the system not be designed to help the victims? I fail to see the problem. Sexual assault crimes are the most under reported crime out there. Mainly because the victims get NO support whatsoever.

The woman is still unidentified as there hasn't been any charges yet. More than likely if charges are brought her name will be released.


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[CRM 114]

Never said Kane uses good judgement.

The system is designed to encourage victims to come forward. This is why prosecutors refuse to pursue charges against the complaining witness, even in cases of outright perjury.

Also:
"New details are emerging about the time that Patrick Kane spent in a downtown Buffalo nightclub last weekend and the allegations made by a woman who claims that Kane raped her after meeting her in the club and taking her to his Town of Hamburg waterfront home.

Sources with knowledge of the investigation said that the young woman who has accused the hockey superstar of rape had bite marks on her shoulders and a scratch on her leg after the alleged attack.

The woman alleges that Kane invited her and a female friend to his home for a private party after they met him last Saturday night at SkyBar, a popular nightclub on Franklin Street, the sources said.

Shortly after she and her friend arrived at Kane’s home on Old Lakeshore Road, the accuser alleges that she went by herself into another room, where Kane followed her, overpowered her and raped her, the sources said.

The woman left Kane’s home with her friend and used a cellphone to call a relative immediately after the alleged attack. She then went to a local hospital for examination, and police were called afterward, the sources said.

The alleged attack occurred about 4 a.m. last Sunday, about an hour after Kane was seen leaving SkyBar.

A person who knows the woman described her as frantic and traumatized when she called her relative to report what happened."

Here we have a TON of alleged information, yet the alleged victim still remains unidentified to the public.

You're quickly becoming a nuisance, boy.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Yikes.

I do not know how one reads that article and is mortified.

The Skybar owner/bartender whatever is defending him, saying Kane was civil, coherent, and beset with an interested lady all night.


What makes me nervous is her dad is a lawyer, a few bite marks and some scratches....I'd have to see them to feel one way or the other about it.
Sounds like normal sex to me.

 

[HeHateMe]

I do not know how one reads that article and is mortified.

The Skybar owner/bartender whatever is defending him, saying Kane was civil, coherent, and beset with an interested lady all night.


What makes me nervous is her dad is a lawyer, a few bite marks and some scratches....I'd have to see them to feel one way or the other about it.
Sounds like normal sex to me.

While bite marks and scratches don't make it rape sex, sounds like sex happened and if it was kane, and the woman didn't want sex, dude is a rapist.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

This is not looking good. Really hope Kane is NOT a rapist.

Moreso hoping that a woman wasn't actually raped - less so to save Kane's reputation.

 

[Ares]

[video=youtube;b4hNaFkbZYU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4hNaFkbZYU[/video]

I keep thinking of this Louis CK bit....

"What the hell, I'll just take a shot and rape her.... what's the worst that could happen...."

 

[Sunbiz1]

What is your complaint? That you don't know the name of the person you'd like to impune?

Without names, it is nothing but conjecture/hearsay...let's sell some news bullshit.

 

[HeHateMe]

Without names, it is nothing but conjecture/hearsay...let's sell some news bullshit.

Lol, no. It's an official criminal investigation. Are you saying a rape victim should endure public scrutiny and shame because if not, it's unfair to the accused? What the **** world do you live in?

 

[Raskolnikov]

Yikes.

While bite marks and scratches don't make it rape sex, sounds like sex happened and if it was kane, and the woman didn't want sex, dude is a rapist.

Young girl monopolizes Kanes time/attention all night, flirts, teases, goes home with him and changes her mind? He bites her shoulder doing it from behind....I mean ****...

sounds like he forgot the foreplay and was ready for business. Mistaken intentions and booze.


She calls her family hysterical? Why did she go home with him at 3 in the morning?

We don't need to know the witnesses name to know this is a fucking stupid **** whether she wanted it or not. Its this type of bullshit that frustrates men to no end is a fucking game women should not be playing with us. You are asking too much of us to be superhuman in our gentlemenness.


Yes.....stay the **** out of that situation if you are a man and smart these days. Court girls, get to know them. Don't do this with drunk chicks...but I feel for Kane in the actual situation whether it was a set-up, or one of those sexual misunderstandings.

I just see NO WAY Kane would bring this down on himself unless he was blacked out drunk and frustrated beyond reasonableness. So lock him up and treat him like a malicious stalker rapist prick who deserves never to see the light of day?

I know this sounds offensive as ****, and I hope to god I never drink again OR ever find myself in this situation. I'm a prude personally, I have been with less than a dozen women at 36 years old and never married. The 3 times I have ever left with a chick from a bar or party only 1 didn't end like this story for Kane.

In the other 2, this french canadiens girl wakes up with me in the hotel and says "I think someone spiked my drink last night and is looking hungover." I kicked her out, no name no number get the **** out of here Jesus man. WTF?

Another time the girl from a party asks me what happened and if we had sex (which we actually did not) because though she was standing right next to me when I asked my buddy if I could use his shack in backyard, and if I could borrow a condom....he said they were in there. We make out, I finger her, she is gushing all over the place, and when I go for the deed she says "I can't."

So we don't, I dropped her off with her friends and next day she is asking if we had sex? She seemed coherent at the time, we left drinking water and sobering and I left her with her roommate and her roommates boyfriend.


Interactions with drunk chicks just have not gone well for me I guess, and in my examples I blame the women. One woman went through with it for hours, I can repeat consensual conversations we had about the condoms that kept breaking. In the other...I passed the test of the girl stopping when my **** is inches from her wet pussy. So I passed that test...good for me. Its still fucked up. You guys haven't had fucked up situations like this?


If a woman hangs all over you all night, gives you every signal, goes home with you, goes in a separate room....I get she still has the right to change her mind and say no but its some serious fucking bullshit man.

I wish we would focus more on teaching women men are not toys to be fucked around with, teased, played with, driven mad with lust and then spurned. Thats some kind of crazy shit to do with our fucked up culture and the needs of women not being met because we are all so shallow.

I don't know guys, I'm being real honest and vulnerable here and you can call me rapey or whatever the **** you want. I'm not saying Kane is or isn't a rapist, I'm saying this type of situation is bullshit and I don't know why women think it is ok or going to end ok.

Kane has a drinking problem and could have been blacked out and acting on instinct. sure that is on him....but come on she is in his home in a private situation with a stranger that has been leading to sex all night.

Kane=bad
girl= stupid ****

can both be true. both failed themselves. Both failed society. Only Kane will burn.

Worst case she is a liar and malicious. Best case she is a stupid ****.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

I think I'll show myself out of this thread now.

 

[Rex]

Young girl monopolizes Kanes time/attention all night, flirts, teases, goes home with him and changes her mind? He bites her shoulder doing it from behind....I mean ****...

sounds like he forgot the foreplay and was ready for business. Mistaken intentions and booze.


She calls her family hysterical? Why did she go home with him at 3 in the morning?

We don't need to know the witnesses name to know this is a fucking stupid **** whether she wanted it or not. Its this type of bullshit that frustrates men to no end is a fucking game women should not be playing with us. You are asking too much of us to be superhuman in our gentlemenness.


Yes.....stay the **** out of that situation if you are a man and smart these days. Court girls, get to know them. Don't do this with drunk chicks...but I feel for Kane in the actual situation whether it was a set-up, or one of those sexual misunderstandings.

I just see NO WAY Kane would bring this down on himself unless he was blacked out drunk and frustrated beyond reasonableness. So lock him up and treat him like a malicious stalker rapist prick who deserves never to see the light of day?

I know this sounds offensive as ****, and I hope to god I never drink again OR ever find myself in this situation. I'm a prude personally, I have been with less than a dozen women at 36 years old and never married. The 3 times I have ever left with a chick from a bar or party only 1 didn't end like this story for Kane.

In the other 2, this french canadiens girl wakes up with me in the hotel and says "I think someone spiked my drink last night and is looking hungover." I kicked her out, no name no number get the **** out of here Jesus man. WTF?

Another time the girl from a party asks me what happened and if we had sex (which we actually did not) because though she was standing right next to me when I asked my buddy if I could use his shack in backyard, and if I could borrow a condom....he said they were in there. We make out, I finger her, she is gushing all over the place, and when I go for the deed she says "I can't."

So we don't, I dropped her off with her friends and next day she is asking if we had sex? She seemed coherent at the time, we left drinking water and sobering and I left her with her roommate and her roommates boyfriend.


Interactions with drunk chicks just have not gone well for me I guess, and in my examples I blame the women. One woman went through with it for hours, I can repeat consensual conversations we had about the condoms that kept breaking. In the other...I passed the test of the girl stopping when my **** is inches from her wet pussy. So I passed that test...good for me. Its still fucked up. You guys haven't had fucked up situations like this?


If a woman hangs all over you all night, gives you every signal, goes home with you, goes in a separate room....I get she still has the right to change her mind and say no but its some serious fucking bullshit man.

I wish we would focus more on teaching women men are not toys to be fucked around with, teased, played with, driven mad with lust and then spurned. Thats some kind of crazy shit to do with our fucked up culture and the needs of women not being met because we are all so shallow.

I don't know guys, I'm being real honest and vulnerable here and you can call me rapey or whatever the **** you want. I'm not saying Kane is or isn't a rapist, I'm saying this type of situation is bullshit and I don't know why women think it is ok or going to end ok.

Kane has a drinking problem and could have been blacked out and acting on instinct. sure that is on him....but come on she is in his home in a private situation with a stranger that has been leading to sex all night.

Kane=bad
girl= stupid ****

can both be true. both failed themselves. Both failed society. Only Kane will burn.

Worst case she is a liar and malicious. Best case she is a stupid ****.

 

[HeHateMe]

Oh boy...

 

[Raskolnikov]

What is wrong with saying women need to be educated on this situation as much as men do?

Men are not mythical superhuman saints all of us? They know this I presume?

As long as women put themselves in this situation with men they do not know there will be questionable drunk sex/rape that neither party remembers very well. That is reality. You can not remove the instinctual drive to procreate from men. Not all men are good. Put yourself in that situation with a dozen or so men and see what happens. Reality.

Burn the messenger. Crucify real talk. Lets just pretend the world is safe and curtail the conversation to vanilla bullshit where Kane is a monster.


ITS JUST REALLY HARD TO BELIEVE KANE WOULD BE THIS STUPID!!!!!! HE KNOWS HE IS FAMOUS RIGHT?
If he is guilty crucify him. But she better be able to retell exactly what happened up to the point she got drugged.


All in all I think the details of this case favor a Kane acquittal even with semen. The report of the friend will be key, but if Kanes buddies were around we are talking about mulitple witnesses at bar and his home confirming she was all over him.


Yeah I'm angry. I think the drinking culture in young america is foolish and dangerous. This is the kind of bullshit we have to talk about now. Men need to be stronger and more honorable on thew hole. Women need to be smarter than this on the whole.

 

[HeHateMe]

What is wrong with saying women need to be educated on this situation as much as men do?

Men are not mythical superhuman saints all of us? They know this I presume?

As long as women put themselves in this situation with men they do not know there will be questionable drunk sex/rape that neither party remembers very well. That is reality. You can not remove the instinctual drive to procreate from men. Not all men are good. Put yourself in that situation with a dozen or so men and see what happens. Reality.

Burn the messenger. Crucify real talk. Lets just pretend the world is safe and curtail the conversation to vanilla bullshit where Kane is a monster.


ITS JUST REALLY HARD TO BELIEVE KANE WOULD BE THIS STUPID!!!!!! HE KNOWS HE IS FAMOUS RIGHT?
If he is guilty crucify him. But she better be able to retell exactly what happened up to the point she got drugged.


All in all I think the details of this case favor a Kane acquittal even with semen. The report of the friend will be key, but if Kanes buddies were around we are talking about mulitple witnesses at bar and his home confirming she was all over him.


Yeah I'm angry. I think the drinking culture in young america is foolish and dangerous. This is the kind of bullshit we have to talk about now. Men need to be stronger and more honorable on thew hole. Women need to be smarter than this on the whole.

I understand that you've had bad experiences that you'd like to project on this situation, but don't get out over your skis. There is no excuse for rape. And let's stop faulting women for getting raped. It's not like deep down inside of every man there's a rapist lurking, waiting for the right amount of booze and stimulation to be unleashed.