USA Today: Bears had one of the ten worst offseasons

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Define irony.......

Irony is an OP that is a blind Cutler hater that continues an agenda of complaining about the Bears offense transitioning from a pass happy offense to a run mauling offense.

Now that's irony!
 

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Eh. It's hard to argue.

We lost key contributors in Gase, Forte, Bennett, Slauson.

We're depending on guys like Langford, and Fuller, to take big steps up. We're requiring guys to step in and play at an above-average level already like Whitehair. We're praying we have anything at all in Kevin White and that guys who have a pattern of injury like Jeffery and Miller discontinue the trend. We won't get the maximum production out of 1st round pick until at least next season. That Jay Cutler can play slightly above average without handcuffing the offense, etc...

No doubt they improved the middle of their defense and the pass rush, but still a lot of question marks.
 

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Eh. It's hard to argue.

We lost key contributors in Gase, Forte, Bennett, Slauson.

We're depending on guys like Langford, and Fuller, to take big steps up. We're requiring guys to step in and play at an above-average level already like Whitehair. We're praying we have anything at all in Kevin White and that guys who have a pattern of injury like Jeffery and Miller discontinue the trend. We won't get the maximum production out of 1st round pick until at least next season. That Jay Cutler can play slightly above average without handcuffing the offense, etc...

No doubt they improved the middle of their defense and the pass rush, but still a lot of question marks.

Actually its more like were depending on the front 7 to be far better therefore making the lives of our DBs far easier.
 

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Actually its more like were depending on the front 7 to be far better therefore making the lives of our DBs far easier.

Yeah. It's looking a hell of a lot more promising on paper at least. It's on how well Goldman continues to develop. He's got a good head on him though so I know he's gonna develop into a beast for us.
 

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Define irony.......

Irony is an OP that is a blind Cutler hater that continues an agenda of complaining about the Bears offense transitioning from a pass happy offense to a run mauling offense.

Now that's irony!

Just curious what makes you think we're converting from a pass happy offense to a run mauling offense. In looking at Fox's last 3 years in Denver, his offenses threw it a ton.

2012: 583 attempts, 4659 yards, 37 TDs
2013: 675, 5444, 55
2014: 607, 4661, 40

I believe the reason we passed less last year was because Gase was tasked with throttling the turnover machine in #6 and it worked. The play calling was dumbed down with runs in obvious passing situations and an incessant number of WR screens. The throttling, I believe, is what ultimately earned Gase his HC job because he's now expected to do the same with Tannehill.

I don't believe it is accurate to say Fox prefers a mauling run game over a prolific passing game. FoxPace invested a very high pick in White and is dedicating around $14-16million per year to Alshon meaning much focus is still on the passing game.


EDIT: I change my stance on this as I looked closer at Fox's days in Carolina and his teams definitely far more run oriented. I originally only looked at recent results and yes, those are skewed due to Manning. My apologies.
 

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Define irony.......

Irony is an OP that is a blind Cutler hater that continues an agenda of complaining about the Bears offense transitioning from a pass happy offense to a run mauling offense.

Now that's irony!

Yeah, I hate that idea so much that I have our new power back as my avatar :facepalm:
 

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You don't know without seeing, that's the point. When you replace some premier players with unproven players, analysts are going to view it as a step back until they show otherwise. This is incredibly simple and you're wriggling incredibly hard to protest it, for some reason.

Not against that at all. I understand the concern. I honestly thought you were saying it would be impossible for any of the production to be duplicated or passed. Apologies
 

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Just curious what makes you think we're converting from a pass happy offense to a run mauling offense. In looking at Fox's last 3 years in Denver, his offenses threw it a ton.

2012: 583 attempts, 4659 yards, 37 TDs
2013: 675, 5444, 55
2014: 607, 4661, 40

I believe the reason we passed less last year was because Gase was tasked with throttling the turnover machine in #6 and it worked. The play calling was dumbed down with runs in obvious passing situations and an incessant number of WR screens. The throttling, I believe, is what ultimately earned Gase his HC job because he's now expected to do the same with Tannehill.

I don't believe it is accurate to say Fox prefers a mauling run game over a prolific passing game. FoxPace invested a very high pick in White and is dedicating around $14-16million per year to Alshon meaning much focus is still on the passing game.

I think it's obvious that Fox likes to build hard nosed running teams based on his history. I think it's foolish to look at Denver's stats when they had Manning. Also, remember Fox ended up leaving due to philosophy differences. Plus, Fox has pretty much said he wants to run the ball.

Bringing in Massie to play RT and moving Long back to RG should be a clue. Massie's best quality is run blocking, although, I think people underestimate his pass blocking.

Fox also brought in his massive C from Denver as well in Ramirez who is a run blocker. I pretty sure Slauson became expendable cuz Fox thinks he can get a better run blocker in ther.

As good as Forte was, running between the T's was not his strength. That played a part in not retaining him, imo. It's not a coincidence that we basically replaced him with a RB in Howard that is basically know for being a tough between the T's type of runner.

The fact that the TE spot hasn't been a top priority tells me that Fox will plug in run blocking TE's to replace him, with Miller replacing the pass catches.

Lastly, the best thing for Cutler's game would be to run a balanced run first offense and let him pass off of a more play action and strike down field with our two over the top WR's. Cutler doesn't need to be dropping 7 steps back every down like Trestman and Martz liked.

Also, the attention at becoming a shutdown defense shows that Fox values stopping opposing teams and controlling the clock rather than trying to out score teams in a high scoring game.

It aazes me that people are so down on the offense after last year. Half our OL was injured and we lost our #1, #2, and #3 WR's for most of the year. Personally, I think the offense is going to be much better than last year.
 

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I think it's obvious that Fox likes to build hard nosed running teams based on his history. I think it's foolish to look at Denver's stats when they had Manning. Also, remember Fox ended up leaving due to philosophy differences. Plus, Fox has pretty much said he wants to run the ball.

Bringing in Massie to play RT and moving Long back to RG should be a clue. Massie's best quality is run blocking, although, I think people underestimate his pass blocking.

Fox also brought in his massive C from Denver as well in Ramirez who is a run blocker. I pretty sure Slauson became expendable cuz Fox thinks he can get a better run blocker in ther.

As good as Forte was, running between the T's was not his strength. That played a part in not retaining him, imo. It's not a coincidence that we basically replaced him with a RB in Howard that is basically know for being a tough between the T's type of runner.

The fact that the TE spot hasn't been a top priority tells me that Fox will plug in run blocking TE's to replace him, with Miller replacing the pass catches.

Lastly, the best thing for Cutler's game would be to run a balanced run first offense and let him pass off of a more play action and strike down field with our two over the top WR's. Cutler doesn't need to be dropping 7 steps back every down like Trestman and Martz liked.

Also, the attention at becoming a shutdown defense shows that Fox values stopping opposing teams and controlling the clock rather than trying to out score teams in a high scoring game.

It aazes me that people are so down on the offense after last year. Half our OL was injured and we lost our #1, #2, and #3 WR's for most of the year. Personally, I think the offense is going to be much better than last year.

That was awesome! Took the words right out of my mouth.
 

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People only want to believe the fluff pieces. I too feel we improved a ton on D but there are loads of "?" on O and only time will answer those. It could turn out fine but those "?" are there at this time - well at least to those without blinders on.

Hopefully after the offense sucks donkey balls this season Pace spends all his resources during the offseason next year to improve it.
 

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Bears got younger and better.

You, of course, know Zack Miller is older than BEnnett and Manny Remirez is older than Slausen....?

And by better, you mean better with unproven rookies than proven all-pro vets?

Not worried about losing Gase and his offense that ranked 21st in yards per game and 23rd in points per game.

Which was way better than it should have been. Can't wait to see what Bilbo Babkins can do...
 

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Hard to say right now. Monty last year was better than what Grasu was last year and only Grasu remains. Lots of ifs on whether he'll be able to play with the big boys now. Grasu's replacement is no longer on the roster.

We are speculating that our 2nd rounder will be able to start and play at least as good as Slauson.

We are hoping Massie plays as we hope he will. There were some negatives listed in regard to him.

I know Long will be fine and I believe Leno will be fine too but people still have the Mills hype in their memory banks.

The backups in Ramirez and Larsen have to be better than Ducasse and Omameh. Ramirez is VERY OLD by FoxPace standards and Larsen simply graded out terribly last year. Slauson would be an immediate upgrade over both of them and he already knew the system and had some chemistry with Leno.

Right now an improvement is based on hype and conjecture. It is easy to see there are many questions that need to play out.

^^^^^

That's all that needs to be said
 

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Lol Forte 99 yards a game and people are like **** him, he was old and can't produce. Bennett(I understand trade) he made you worry and forced teams to watch middle of field....our oline was a joke...yet getting rid of Slausen somehow is OK. These moves somehow made us better.
 
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Lol Forte 99 yards a game and people are like **** him, he was old and can't produce. Bennett(I understand trade) he made you worry and forced teams to watch middle of field....our oline was a joke...yet getting rid of Slausen somehow is OK. These moves somehow made us better.

What I find interesting about the whole thing is how many Cutler nuthggers are OK with what is going on...

Why?

Pace wiped his ass with the #2 RB in Bears history - who is in supreme physical condition and has thousands of yards left. And the best receiver in the history of the team. And THE BEST OL on the team. Not to mention arguably the #2 TE to ever put on the jersey.

And then franchised tagged Alshon and (essentially) tagged Long.

And then spent the entire offseason and draft focusing on the D.


Why are you guys OK with this?


Or are you waiting for it to fail to grab your pick-axes and torches?
 

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Lol Forte 99 yards a game and people are like **** him, he was old and can't produce. Bennett(I understand trade) he made you worry and forced teams to watch middle of field....our oline was a joke...yet getting rid of Slausen somehow is OK. These moves somehow made us better.

So did it make us worse then our record the last two years? :lol:
 

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What I find interesting about the whole thing is how many Cutler nuthggers are OK with what is going on...

Why?

Pace wiped his ass with the #2 RB in Bears history - who is in supreme physical condition and has thousands of yards left. And the best receiver in the history of the team. And THE BEST OL on the team. Not to mention arguably the #2 TE to ever put on the jersey.

And then franchised tagged Alshon and (essentially) tagged Long.

And then spent the entire offseason and draft focusing on the D.


Why are you guys OK with this?


Or are you waiting for it to fail to grab your pick-axes and torches?

Pick axes and torches. Sounds like just another weekend here in Tennessee.
 

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Hey, maybe they are right. But doesn't the USA today shit on the bears every offseason?
 

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