Verlander = MVP and Cy Young

CODE_BLUE56

CODE_BLUE56

Ded
Donator
CCS Hall of Fame '20
Joined:
Apr 18, 2010
Posts:
19,725
Liked Posts:
4,699
Location:
Texas
AE23 said:
Miguel Cabrera :shrug:

I dont like it. You can say 'take this guy outta their rotation and theyre done' for a lot of teams.
Click to expand...

such as?

the thing that made verlander so dominant was the fact that if he took the plate it was(almost) a guaranteed win...his ability completely changes the offensive game plan...and again he was 1st in atleast 5 pitching categories

sure there are other cases for MVP...certainly cabrera is one..but verlander certainly deserved the award
 
AE23

AE23

from 68th
Donator
Joined:
Feb 18, 2011
Posts:
4,941
Liked Posts:
993
Location:
Oak Lawn/Chicago
CODE_BLUE56 said:
such as?

the thing that made verlander so dominant was the fact that if he took the plate it was(almost) a guaranteed win...his ability completely changes the offensive game plan...and again he was 1st in atleast 5 pitching categories

sure there are other cases for MVP...certainly cabrera is one..but verlander certainly deserved the award
Click to expand...

they'rs more in the NL. Ian Kennedy for the DBacks. Shields is one in TB. Weaver, but the LAA sucked.
 
CODE_BLUE56

CODE_BLUE56

Ded
Donator
CCS Hall of Fame '20
Joined:
Apr 18, 2010
Posts:
19,725
Liked Posts:
4,699
Location:
Texas
AE23 said:
they'rs more in the NL. Ian Kennedy for the DBacks. Shields is one in TB. Weaver, but the LAA sucked.
Click to expand...

Dbacks were 3rd in the NL in runs..and had justin upton

shields maybe but on the level of verlander

weaver...ehhh
 
AE23

AE23

from 68th
Donator
Joined:
Feb 18, 2011
Posts:
4,941
Liked Posts:
993
Location:
Oak Lawn/Chicago
no love for the hitters had had monster years is all Im sayin. Sure theyll get their Silver Sluggers, but I think the Cy is enough for a SP.

I get that, only ever so often a SP does something that merits the MVP, but had the Tigers won the WS, then Id be fine with it.
 

Rice Cube

World Series Dreaming
Donator
Joined:
Jun 7, 2011
Posts:
18,077
Liked Posts:
3,472
Location:
Chicago
AE23 said:
no love for the hitters had had monster years is all Im sayin. Sure theyll get their Silver Sluggers, but I think the Cy is enough for a SP.

I get that, only ever so often a SP does something that merits the MVP, but had the Tigers won the WS, then Id be fine with it.
Click to expand...

They had to vote on the awards prior to the playoffs. Therefore you can't use postseason performance to evaluate players for awards.
 
AE23

AE23

from 68th
Donator
Joined:
Feb 18, 2011
Posts:
4,941
Liked Posts:
993
Location:
Oak Lawn/Chicago
Rice Cube said:
They had to vote on the awards prior to the playoffs. Therefore you can't use postseason performance to evaluate players for awards.
Click to expand...

:kick:

:tiptoe:
 
CODE_BLUE56

CODE_BLUE56

Ded
Donator
CCS Hall of Fame '20
Joined:
Apr 18, 2010
Posts:
19,725
Liked Posts:
4,699
Location:
Texas
Rice Cube said:
They had to vote on the awards prior to the playoffs. Therefore you can't use postseason performance to evaluate players for awards.
Click to expand...

this and it doesnt make sense that a player value immediately rises if the team wins the world series?

key word: team

what if he had a terrible postseason...the whole winning in the postseason thing is really arbitrary
 
Last edited:

Rice Cube

World Series Dreaming
Donator
Joined:
Jun 7, 2011
Posts:
18,077
Liked Posts:
3,472
Location:
Chicago
I think it's okay for a pitcher to win the MVP if his season was incredible. It's arguable whether Verlander's season was historic, but at the very least him earning the MVP was defensible. You couldn't actually say the same for Dennis Eckersley in 1992, who won because he racked up a ton of saves but wasn't actually all that valuable in the grand scheme of things. Depending on which metrics you use he might not have been the best pitcher in the AL, but he racked up tons of innings and recorded tons of outs while keeping his team in the game in most of his starts.

I don't think he should have been named MVP, but again, the choice wasn't atrocious.
 

Jntg4

Fire Forum Moderator
Donator
Joined:
Apr 26, 2010
Posts:
26,017
Liked Posts:
3,297
Location:
Minnesota
My favorite teams
  1. Chicago White Sox
  2. Chicago Cubs
  1. Chicago Fire
  1. Chicago Bulls
  1. Chicago Bears
  1. Chicago Blackhawks
  1. Chicago State Cougars
  2. DePaul Blue Demons
  3. Illinois-Chicago Flames
  4. Loyola Ramblers
  5. Northern Illinois Huskies
  6. Northwestern Wildcats
Dunn got snubbed. :(
 
Capt. Serious

Capt. Serious

CCS Donator
Donator
Joined:
Apr 17, 2010
Posts:
19,670
Liked Posts:
6,438
Location:
Chicago
It was complete BS for a guy like Ellsbury who bounced back from an injury riddled 2010 season & just raked from start to finish in 2011 to lose an MVP award to a fucking pitcher.
 

Jntg4

Fire Forum Moderator
Donator
Joined:
Apr 26, 2010
Posts:
26,017
Liked Posts:
3,297
Location:
Minnesota
My favorite teams
  1. Chicago White Sox
  2. Chicago Cubs
  1. Chicago Fire
  1. Chicago Bulls
  1. Chicago Bears
  1. Chicago Blackhawks
  1. Chicago State Cougars
  2. DePaul Blue Demons
  3. Illinois-Chicago Flames
  4. Loyola Ramblers
  5. Northern Illinois Huskies
  6. Northwestern Wildcats
Capt. Serious said:
It was complete BS for a guy like Ellsbury who bounced back from an injury riddled 2010 season & just raked from start to finish in 2011 to lose an MVP award to a fucking pitcher.
Click to expand...

Bouncing back has nothing to do with value, that is only valid in CBPOY, not MVP.
 
CODE_BLUE56

CODE_BLUE56

Ded
Donator
CCS Hall of Fame '20
Joined:
Apr 18, 2010
Posts:
19,725
Liked Posts:
4,699
Location:
Texas
Capt. Serious said:
It was complete BS for a guy like Ellsbury who bounced back from an injury riddled 2010 season & just raked from start to finish in 2011 to lose an MVP award to a fucking pitcher.
Click to expand...

no, it really isnt
 
Capt. Serious

Capt. Serious

CCS Donator
Donator
Joined:
Apr 17, 2010
Posts:
19,670
Liked Posts:
6,438
Location:
Chicago
Big Hurt agrees with me on Verlander/pitchers not winning MVP.

Here's a few tweets of his tonight..

Screen_Shot_2011-09-10_at_10.01.24_AM_normal.png

TheBigHurt_35 Frank Thomas

If they want to add a 3rd award for pitchers they should do just that. MVP is measured over a 162 game schedule!!

3 minutes ago

Screen_Shot_2011-09-10_at_10.01.24_AM_normal.png

TheBigHurt_35 Frank Thomas

Pitchers do not deserve that award!! 36 starts is not enough to be the league MVP!!

5 minutes ago


Screen_Shot_2011-09-10_at_10.01.24_AM_normal.png

TheBigHurt_35 Frank Thomas

Verlander had a unbelievable season but he was not the league MVP!!
Click to expand...
 

BigP50

04-21-2012
Joined:
Apr 17, 2010
Posts:
7,856
Liked Posts:
548
Location:
Lincoln, Nebraska
Well deserved, congrats to Justin.
 
Gunzaan

Gunzaan

CCS Donator
Donator
Joined:
Mar 27, 2011
Posts:
5,224
Liked Posts:
1,865
Yup, well deserved. Dude was 1st in every single important category and had a pitching season close to Pedro's 10+ years ago.

The fact that Joecawks didn't like it makes it even more worth it.
 
Mr. Cub

Mr. Cub

2016 World Series Champs!
Joined:
Dec 13, 2010
Posts:
4,854
Liked Posts:
1,036
Location:
Earth
Verlander was a beast this year. I wish the Cubs could get a pitcher of his caliber.
 
Gunzaan

Gunzaan

CCS Donator
Donator
Joined:
Mar 27, 2011
Posts:
5,224
Liked Posts:
1,865
Mr. Cub said:
Verlander was a beast this year. I wish the Cubs could get a pitcher of his caliber.
Click to expand...

I think every team wished they had a pitcher of him or Roy Halladay's quality.

They are the two best, IMO.
 
Mr. Cub

Mr. Cub

2016 World Series Champs!
Joined:
Dec 13, 2010
Posts:
4,854
Liked Posts:
1,036
Location:
Earth
Gunzaan said:
I think every team wished they had a pitcher of him or Roy Halladay's quality.

They are the two best, IMO.
Click to expand...

That is true. But the Cubs need pitching. I would be happy with just Verlanders left arm haha
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

10,924members
95,470threads
4,521,881posts
375online users

Members online NOW

  • Member
  • Admin
  • Mod
  • Donor
  • HOF
Total: 375 (members: 34, guests: 341)
Top