Vigneault: Luongo wants to be traded

[dabynsky]

He learned his lesson with Campbell after he signed him or traded for him?

 

[nickofypres]

Rogers Sportsnet reporting Roberto Luongo may be headed to Chicago as Florida doesn't want to pay.

 

[dabynsky]

Again the Hawks ought to be able to make this a wash as far as cap hit goes pretty painlessly. Depending on what the Canucks want for Lu this could be a great move for the Hawks.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

Wait...I can't tell if that is a joke or not. Tallon clearly didn't learn his lesson. I think Luongo could do well again in Florida and Tallon could make it happen.

Kind of a joke. But after taking on so much money last offseason, I don't think Florida will do it.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

Again the Hawks ought to be able to make this a wash as far as cap hit goes pretty painlessly. Depending on what the Canucks want for Lu this could be a great move for the Hawks.

If Hjalmarsson and/or Frolik are part of the trade, money isn't an issue.

 

[dabynsky]

If Hjalmarsson and/or Frolik are part of the trade, money isn't an issue.

I was arguing Crow and Frolik earlier. I think Hammer is worth more than Luongo, but I could be wrong.

 

[DewsSox79]

I was arguing Crow and Frolik earlier. I think Hammer is worth more than Luongo, but I could be wrong.

I will be nice since you arent a die hard nut hawks fan.

Spoiler

no, hammer is not worth more than luongo

 

[dabynsky]

I will be nice since you arent a die hard nut hawks fan.

Spoiler

no, hammer is not worth more than luongo

Really, even given the cap hit and baggage of Luongo? Seems like very few teams want anything to do with Luongo.

 

[DewsSox79]

Really, even given the cap hit and baggage of Luongo? Seems like very few teams want anything to do with Luongo.

the baggage is much overrstated mainly by hawks fans due to the fact that we "got in his head" in the playoffs.

The cap hit wouldnt be as bad if we can move bolland, move frolik (who is replaceable), and hammer (who is also replaceable). The bolland part is the hardest because of what he brings as far as value on a 3rd line, we may have to take a step backwards on that line to make all of this work. it would be tricky to try to get a solid dman, 2nd line center, and luongo.

If we go the non-luongo route we really need to shore up our D. The goalie tandem is weak. We also need to improve the top 6. There is a lot of ifs in the top 6 right now and we have to really focus on that.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

I don't know about that being super overrated. He is a headcase. He's shown that after giving up some goals early, that he can fall apart.

Great goaltender, but he is a headcase.

 

[dabynsky]

the baggage is much overrstated mainly by hawks fans due to the fact that we "got in his head" in the playoffs.

The cap hit wouldnt be as bad if we can move bolland, move frolik (who is replaceable), and hammer (who is also replaceable). The bolland part is the hardest because of what he brings as far as value on a 3rd line, we may have to take a step backwards on that line to make all of this work. it would be tricky to try to get a solid dman, 2nd line center, and luongo.

If we go the non-luongo route we really need to shore up our D. The goalie tandem is weak. We also need to improve the top 6. There is a lot of ifs in the top 6 right now and we have to really focus on that.

I am not talking about making this work for the Blackhawks. I am talking about what Luongo's value is right now. He needs/wants out of Vancouver and every team knows that. His cap hit is pretty high and there is some baggage about his postseason performance in non-Blackhawks series as well. I guess I just don't see many teams rumored to be in the Luongo sweepstakes. Low demand=low value in most situations. That was my thinking anyway. Where am I wrong?

I agree with most of your assessments about the Hawks getting Luongo and making it work.

 

[DewsSox79]

I am not talking about making this work for the Blackhawks. I am talking about what Luongo's value is right now. He needs/wants out of Vancouver and every team knows that. His cap hit is pretty high and there is some baggage about his postseason performance in non-Blackhawks series as well. I guess I just don't see many teams rumored to be in the Luongo sweepstakes. Low demand=low value in most situations. That was my thinking anyway. Where am I wrong?

I agree with most of your assessments about the Hawks getting Luongo and making it work.

I get it about how VAN needs to move him and that they are in a bad position since its well known that he wants out and that they need to move him, so I get that when it comes to his specific value, but it isnt like baseball where money can be moved around. Hammers salary would need to go, and imo he isnt really all that special to begin with. so to get a premier goalie for a guy like hammer is a win for the hawks. even if we had suter, i still dont think the goalie tandem now can withstand a stanley cup run. but than again there are career years and things that are out of the norm. so who knows?

 

[dabynsky]

I get it about how VAN needs to move him and that they are in a bad position since its well known that he wants out and that they need to move him, so I get that when it comes to his specific value, but it isnt like baseball where money can be moved around. Hammers salary would need to go, and imo he isnt really all that special to begin with. so to get a premier goalie for a guy like hammer is a win for the hawks. even if we had suter, i still dont think the goalie tandem now can withstand a stanley cup run. but than again there are career years and things that are out of the norm. so who knows?

I guess I can understand that. I guess I just see the Canucks in a situation where they are a bit over the barrel like the Hawks were following the Cup. I don't think Hammer is worth a ton, but I think there is a much larger market for Hammer.

And couldn't the Hawks get the cap situation taken care of by finding a taker for Crawford, which shouldn't be that hard right? And burying Frolik in Rockford if you can't find a taker.

 

[ChitwnRyan60452]

Roberto Luongo is a ***** and won't come here anyway.

 

[Diehardfan]

the baggage is much overrstated mainly by hawks fans due to the fact that we "got in his head" in the playoffs.

The cap hit wouldnt be as bad if we can move bolland, move frolik (who is replaceable), and hammer (who is also replaceable). The bolland part is the hardest because of what he brings as far as value on a 3rd line, we may have to take a step backwards on that line to make all of this work. it would be tricky to try to get a solid dman, 2nd line center, and luongo.

If we go the non-luongo route we really need to shore up our D. The goalie tandem is weak. We also need to improve the top 6. There is a lot of ifs in the top 6 right now and we have to really focus on that.

Dews,

The Hawks were just the beginning for Luongo's playoff woes. In the regular season, the Canucks have been as good as anyone in the league the last three years...Im not positive but I'd venture a guess they had the most total points the last 3 years combined. What has it gotten them but a ton of heartache and disappointment. I think that Boston finally pushed him to the edge two years ago and LA finished him this year. You just cant be constantly pulled in playoff games and not have that effect you. Luongo is an overpaid headcase who is now yesterday's news.

 

[southern_cross_116]

The length of the cap hit is more to the point than the actual money for a few seasons... the question for the gm then becomes, can they do better with that same money -when it comes to the team?

I read that Thomas was interested in waiving his NTC - so Luongo isn't the only guy out there - the issues with Luongo are legit - he gets pulled in big games... often. A big time goalie wins game 7 at home of the SCF in 2011 ...

This guy is a guy with technique who comes with a big cap hit, and a reputation for being unable to win the big games (although I think the 2010 Winter Olympics Gold Medal game was the exception). Still, that would be enough to give most gm's pause I think.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

The length of the cap hit is more to the point than the actual money for a few seasons... the question for the gm then becomes, can they do better with that same money -when it comes to the team?

Exactly. The worst thing about his contract is that it's so god damn long.

Not as bad as Kovalchuk getting offered what was it like 37 years?

 

[DewsSox79]

Dews,

The Hawks were just the beginning for Luongo's playoff woes. In the regular season, the Canucks have been as good as anyone in the league the last three years...Im not positive but I'd venture a guess they had the most total points the last 3 years combined. What has it gotten them but a ton of heartache and disappointment. I think that Boston finally pushed him to the edge two years ago and LA finished him this year. You just cant be constantly pulled in playoff games and not have that effect you. Luongo is an overpaid headcase who is now yesterday's news.

thats fine. we can just use Emery and Crawford than....even though they "get pulled" for one another all the time

 

[LonghornBob]

Luongo cried on television.

The end.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Luongo cried on television.

The end.

Whoop dee do. He's still better than the crap we have.