Wade loyalty comments

[houheffna]

Is that the same Honest Abe who signed Arenas to that brilliant contract? The fact that Abe fired him only solidifies his status as a complete dumb ass.

Signing Arenas to that contract makes more sense than getting Kwame Brown...bringing him in and then deomoralizing the kid...Michael Jordan calls 18-year old lottery pick a "flaming ******" during rookie season...who's the dumb ass again?

I think Abe would disagree with you, his opinion might be that HIRING Jordan solidified his status as a complete dumb ass, not the other way around...Jordan did the best he could...actually he didn't, (ask Rip Hamilton about MJ), but Pollian talked of many reasons for the Jordan firing. I guess you just had to be there to know the truth huh?

 

[Fred]

houheffna wrote:

Is that the same Honest Abe who signed Arenas to that brilliant contract? The fact that Abe fired him only solidifies his status as a complete dumb ass.

Signing Arenas to that contract makes more sense than getting Kwame Brown...bringing him in and then deomoralizing the kid...Michael Jordan calls 18-year old lottery pick a "flaming ******" during rookie season...who's the dumb ass again?

I think Abe would disagree with you, his opinion might be that HIRING Jordan solidified his status as a complete dumb ass, not the other way around...Jordan did the best he could...actually he didn't, (ask Rip Hamilton about MJ), but Pollian talked of many reasons for the Jordan firing. I guess you just had to be there to know the truth huh?

Yeah, I guess you had to be there. The team was 18-32 before Jordan showed up. They peaked with 2 straight years of 37 wins, just missing the playoffs twice. Of course, Krause minus Michael never once came close to sniffing 37. The Bulls under Krause - MJ peaked at 30 wins.

2003-04 23 59 .280
2002-03 30 52 .366
2001-02 21 61 .256
2000-01 15 67 .183
1999-00 17 65 .207
1998-99 13 37 .260

Looks like an average of 23.8 wins. How exactly is Krause a better executive than MJ? And I don't believe the Wizards were as lucky with the ping pong ball during the Krause years. But I'll bet you'll believe whatever Rip Hamilton or Abe says.

 

[Fred]

houheffna wrote:

Yep and then Old Honest Abe dumped his ass, for incompetence.

Imcompetence, huh? Actually, Abe Pollin didn't want to give Michael back the ownership he had to divest himself of when he came back to play. Abe Pollin screwed Jordan, who did everything he could to produce a winner for him.

"Pollin justified Jordan's dismissal by noting that Jordan had detrimental effects on the team, such as benching Hughes for Tyronn Lue."

Abe Pollin is a horse's ass.

Michael Jordan years
2001–02
After retiring from the Chicago Bulls in early 1999, Michael Jordan became the Washington Wizards' president of basketball operations as well as a minority owner in January 2000. In September 2001, Jordan came out of retirement at age 38 to play for Washington. Jordan stated that he was returning "for the love of the game." Because of NBA rules, he had to divest himself of any ownership of the team. Before the All-Star break, Jordan was only one of two players to average more than 25 points, 5 assists, and 5 rebounds as he led the Wizards to a 26–21 record. After the All-Star break, Jordan's knee could not handle the workload of a full-season as he ended the season on the injured list, and the Wizards concluded the season with a 37–45 record. Jordan led the Wizards to an 18-win improvement from the previous season.

2002–03
Jordan announced he would return for the 2002–03 season, and this time he was determined to be equipped with reinforcements, as he traded for All-Star Jerry Stackhouse and signed budding star Larry Hughes. Jordan even accepted a sixth-man role on the bench in order for his knee to survive the rigors of an 82–game season. A combination of numerous team injuries and uninspired play led to Jordan's return to the starting lineup, where he tried to rebound the franchise from its early-season struggles. By the end of the season, the Wizards finished with a 37–45 record once again. Jordan ended the season as the only Wizard to play in all 82 games, as he averaged 20.0 points, 6.1 rebounds, 3.8 assists, and 1.5 steals in 37.0 minutes per game.

Departure
After the season, majority owner Pollin fired Jordan as team president, much to the shock of teammates, associates, and the public. Jordan felt betrayed, thinking that he would get his ownership back after his playing days ended, but Pollin justified Jordan's dismissal by noting that Jordan had detrimental effects on the team, such as benching Hughes for Tyronn Lue, making poor trades, and squandering the teams' 2001 1st round draft pick on high schooler Kwame Brown who never panned out. Without Jordan in the fold the following year, the Washington Wizards were not expected to win, and they did not. Despite the signing of future All-Star point guard Gilbert Arenas, the team stumbled to a 25–57 record in the 2003–04 season.

The Wizards replaced Jordan's managerial role with coach Eddie Jordan and General Manager Ernie Grunfeld.
-wikipedia

 

[Fred]

houheffna wrote:

Michael Jordan calls 18-year old lottery pick a "flaming ******" during rookie season...who's the dumb ass again?

Yeah, that's the reason Kwame never made it. It wasn't Jordan's fault Kwame Brown sucked. It was Kwame Brown's fault. But hey, we can't all pick winners like Eddie Curry and Marcus Fizer and make incredible trades for Tyson Chandler.

 

[houheffna]

Yeah, that's the reason Kwame never made it. It wasn't Jordan's fault Kwame Brown sucked. It was Kwame Brown's fault. But hey, we can't all pick winners like Eddie Curry and Marcus Fizer and make incredible trades for Tyson Chandler.

It wasn't Jordan's fault Brown sucked, but it was Krause's fault, that Fizer did? Its easy to point out Krause's mistakes and totally ignore 6 championships...but then again its easy to point out that Jordan took a team from the lottery to mediocrity, as if that's hard to do in the NBA...mediocrity is worse than bad in the NBA. The Wiazards gained relative success AFTER Jordan left...

 

[TheStig]

Fred wrote:

houheffna wrote:

Is that the same Honest Abe who signed Arenas to that brilliant contract? The fact that Abe fired him only solidifies his status as a complete dumb ass.

Signing Arenas to that contract makes more sense than getting Kwame Brown...bringing him in and then deomoralizing the kid...Michael Jordan calls 18-year old lottery pick a "flaming ******" during rookie season...who's the dumb ass again?

I think Abe would disagree with you, his opinion might be that HIRING Jordan solidified his status as a complete dumb ass, not the other way around...Jordan did the best he could...actually he didn't, (ask Rip Hamilton about MJ), but Pollian talked of many reasons for the Jordan firing. I guess you just had to be there to know the truth huh?

Yeah, I guess you had to be there. The team was 18-32 before Jordan showed up. They peaked with 2 straight years of 37 wins, just missing the playoffs twice. Of course, Krause minus Michael never once came close to sniffing 37. The Bulls under Krause - MJ peaked at 30 wins.

2003-04 23 59 .280
2002-03 30 52 .366
2001-02 21 61 .256
2000-01 15 67 .183
1999-00 17 65 .207
1998-99 13 37 .260

Looks like an average of 23.8 wins. How exactly is Krause a better executive than MJ? And I don't believe the Wizards were as lucky with the ping pong ball during the Krause years. But I'll bet you'll believe whatever Rip Hamilton or Abe says.

If only Krause was the goat of all time and could come out of retirement to sace his team from being a laughing stock. Too bad he was a short, fat, white man that couldn't jump.

 

[Shakes]

Krause signing himself for the last spot on the roster would have been awesome.

 

[TheStig]

Shakes wrote:

Krause signing himself for the last spot on the roster would have been awesome.

Probably would have been as successful as Dragan Tarlac. But much more amusing to see him waddling up and down the court :laugh:

 

[Shakes]

I want to see the fist pumps like when he won the #1 pick. He could have played during garbage time, which was basically the entire season for the post dynasty teams.

 

[TheStig]

That would have been great if he would've jumped up on the scorers table and started doing fists pumps after we beat MJ's wizards lol. I'd love to see MJ snap him in half after that.