We can exile Sammy Sosa without forgiveness yet hire Manny Ramirez as player/coach?

[diavolos]

The only reason I'm "defending" the move is because the ridiculous nature of the criticism.

so questioning hiring one of the laziest, least fundamentally sound and most selfish players of the last 50 years who quit on his teammates forcing a trade to be a mentor for the farm system is 'ridiculous'? lol #fanboys being fanboys.

 

[nwfisch]

Just so I'm being objective....

 

[diavolos]

That was my point... As for the others not wanting to coach, I'm not going to waste time scouring the internet for something that probably isn't out there.

exactly. so you were pulling something out of your ass and trying to pass it off as a fact and got caught.

 

[beckdawg]

so questioning hiring one of the laziest, least fundamentally sound and most selfish players of the last 50 years who quit on his teammates forcing a trade to be a mentor for the farm system is 'ridiculous'? lol #fanboys being fanboys.

A career .300+ hitter is not fundamentally sound? God I'd love to have a lot more unfundamentally sound players. As for laziness, I've already addressed that. As for selfish, as I've said before, if the front office gets any wiff of him negatively impacting any players he's going to be gone just as quick as he was hired. So yeah that's being ridiculous.

 

[beckdawg]

exactly. so you were pulling something out of your ass and trying to pass it off as a fact and got caught.

If this is the level of your insight.... **** this I'm done...

 

[diavolos]

If this is the level of your insight.... **** this I'm done...

as opposed to your insight that since you can't find links on the internet as proof that explayers wish to coach? everyone will now be better off.

 

[diavolos]

A career .300+ hitter is not fundamentally sound? God I'd love to have a lot more unfundamentally sound players. As for laziness, I've already addressed that. As for selfish, as I've said before, if the front office gets any wiff of him negatively impacting any players he's going to be gone just as quick as he was hired. So yeah that's being ridiculous.

clearly you have a lot to learn about baseball if you think batting avg is the only determining factor of a players fundamentals. great insight. vladimir guerrero had a higher career ba than ramirez did, so guess it would be a good idea to have him teaching the kids in the minors how to hit breaking balls bouncing in the dirt the other way huh?

 

[beckdawg]

as opposed to your insight that since you can't find links on the internet as proof that explayers wish to coach? everyone will now be better off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof

You're suggesting those ex-players were options to coach instead of Manny thus the burden of proof is on you not me to prove they don't want to coach.

 

[Parade_Rain]

rod carew, george brett, nomar garciaparra, tony gwynn, wade boggs, paul molitor, craig biggio, edgar martinez, larry walker, todd helton, chipper jones, barry larkin, frank thomas, mike greenwell, michael young, mark grace.

just off the top of my head.

You want them to learn from a guy who has had multiple DUI's and went to jail?

 

[diavolos]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof

You're suggesting those ex-players were options to coach instead of Manny

wrong. never suggested those players were options to coach. just was asked to provide names of players who i thought would be better at mentoring young players. keep grasping.

 

[beckdawg]

clearly you have a lot to learn about baseball if you think batting avg is the only determining factor of a players fundamentals. great insight. vladimir guerrero had a higher career ba than ramirez did, so guess it would be a good idea to have him teaching the kids in the minors how to hit breaking balls bouncing in the dirt the other way huh?

And clearly you have no clue what you're talking about that in any statistical category you want to choose that Manny is one of the top 20 best hitters of the past 50 years and yet is "fundamentally unsound."

Since 1950 Manny is

12th in on base
6th in wOBA
16th in batting average
5th in slugging
13th in HR
10th in RBIs
13th in wRC+
6th in ISO

 

[diavolos]

You want them to learn from a guy who has had multiple DUI's and went to jail?

you want them to learn from a guy who got caught cheating and quit on his team? what about the other 15 or so names? lol #fanboys being fanboys

 

[diavolos]

And clearly you have no clue what you're talking about that in any statistical category you want to choose that Manny is one of the top 20 best hitters of the past 50 years and yet is "fundamentally unsound."

Since 1950 Manny is

12th in on base
6th in wOBA
16th in batting average
5th in slugging
13th in HR
10th in RBIs
13th in wRC+
6th in ISO

again if your only insight is that hitting is the only factor that makes a fundamentally sound ballplayer you should quit while you are behind like you said you were going to. quitting would be a very manny ramirez thing to do also. go to any non-cubs baseball message board and start a thread claiming manny ramirez is a solid fundamental baseball player and let's see what the reaction is. please post a link as well.

 

[Parade_Rain]

No. Its facts. Sure the best thing he can do is help Baez to a HOF career, the worst he can do is derail it off the tracks completely.

That's not the way high level pro players communicate with each other. He's not going to walk up to Baez and make a bunch of comments about his approach that get in his head. If they wanted to do that, they could have just demoted Sveum. MLBers communicate by asking and sharing, not telling. They've heard enough shit and cues over the years that most aren't very receptive to concepts different from their own...unless they are at the point of failure/not moving up in the system.

 

[diavolos]

That's not the way high level pro players communicate with each other. He's not going to walk up to Baez and make a bunch of comments about his approach that get in his head. If they wanted to do that, they could have just demoted Sveum. MLBers communicate by asking and sharing, not telling. They've heard enough shit and cues over the years that most aren't very receptive to concepts different from their own...unless they are at the point of failure/not moving up in the system.

and yet the cubs way imposed by theo and company did exactly that with castro at the major league level.

 

[beckdawg]

again if your only insight is that hitting is the only factor that makes a fundamentally sound ballplayer you should quit while you are behind like you said you were going to. quitting would be a very manny ramirez thing to do also. go to any non-cubs baseball message board and start a thread claiming manny ramirez is a solid fundamental baseball player and let's see what the reaction is. please post a link as well.

Which fundamentals are you even talking about? Fielding? If you're suggesting he's a shit defender then fine. I agree. But he's not a fucking fielding coach. They hired him to help hitting and he's one of the top hitters of the past 50 years.

 

[Parade_Rain]

you want them to learn from a guy who got caught cheating and quit on his team? what about the other 15 or so names? lol #fanboys being fanboys

You made a list "off the top of your head of who you thought was better suited to the task. The top of your head fails you. #everythingcubsdoisshitregardless

 

[Parade_Rain]

and yet the cubs way imposed by theo and company did exactly that with castro at the major league level.

Wrong. That's part of why Sveum is gone.

 

[diavolos]

They hired him to help hitting and he's one of the top hitters of the past 50 years.

there is a difference between being talented and having good fundamentals. clearly something that is completely lost on you.

 

[diavolos]

Wrong. That's part of why Sveum is gone.

i cant be wrong if the reason you claim doesn't happen is what the cubs did with castro that you are now saying is why sveum is gone. that actually makes me 100% correct.