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Per PFF the offensive line was better last year than the year before
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/01/08/2014-pff-offensive-line-rankings/3/
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here enjoy from the Chicago Tribune....
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-81606515/
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Why did Chicago think Mike Tice was an excellent offensive line coach?
Brian Cassella, Chicago Tribune
Bears coach Lovie Smith and offensive coordinator Mike Tice during training camp.
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Brad Biggs
8:39 pm, October 6, 2014
Why did all sports media people in Chicago endlessly say or imply that coach Mike Tice was an excellent offensive line coach when year after year the Bears offensive line was poor to sometimes horrendous in pass protection? When two starters went down on the same play opening day the line provided better pass protection to Jay Cutler than he typically got all during Tice's tenure. As line coach and then coordinator, the results speak for themselves. This is meant as a navel-gazing question for journalists as I think part of the answer is they liked Tice. The result was journalistic malpractice. -- Bob, Muskego, Ill."
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See above reply
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I guess your version of excelled is one game over .500 eh? Now that guy failed misserably in Tampa with a fairly good offensive threat in Mike Evans. But hey, again, you go for McClown.
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Wait Wut?
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So are you attributing the losses the Bears had with McCown as QB to McCown? Because that would contradict you saying this earlier in this very thread
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How does that help contribute?
You are basically admitting he is right and you are wrong.
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At this point...I think he's even confused by what exactly his point is.
The Oline is the reason Cutler's play is mediocre...
Insert a QB who outplayed Cutler behind that same Oline...and now we divert to the overall team record...
Pretty soon he'll be showing us what it's like to **** a stranger in the ass
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McCown had a FLUKE stretch of games. His entire career outside of that fluke stretch has been bad to awful. He played 6 games against 4 of the bottom 5 defensive teams in the NFL. Against Dallas, there were THREE interceptions that were dropped. And on top of that, he had his 6 best QB games of his career in a row. It is like if Blaine Gabbert had his 6 best games at Jacksonville all in a row.
You can't say that "well McCown played well in 2013 and Cutler played like he always does so it isn't the coach" Maybe if Peyton Manning was here and he played the same way as he always does, you can make that argument. But not when a QB has terrible game after terrible game outside of that 6 game stretch. It was fluke by the definition of a fluke.
You can't say that "well McCown played well in 2013 and Cutler played like he always does so it isn't the coach" Maybe if Peyton Manning was here and he played the same way as he always does, you can make that argument. But not when a QB has terrible game after terrible game outside of that 6 game stretch. It was fluke by the definition of a fluke.
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This is where the Cutler bashers lose me; why does McCown's performance over a small amount of games have anything to do with Cutler's performance over a small numbers of games.
Cutler played well in 2013, and they just try to spin reality by somehow asserting McCown having a dream stretch of play somehow negates Cutler's play.
It doesn't and there is no logical point to be made there. Both Cutler and McCown played well in 2013 and were major reasons we had a damn good offense.
Unfortunately Cutler was much less accurate in 2014 in terms of when he needed to deliver the ball down the field. He boosted some states with dump offs and safety valve plays to Forte and Bennett , but was noticeably worse pushing the ball down the field. He just wasn't the same throwing the ball.
Cutler played well in 2013, and they just try to spin reality by somehow asserting McCown having a dream stretch of play somehow negates Cutler's play.
It doesn't and there is no logical point to be made there. Both Cutler and McCown played well in 2013 and were major reasons we had a damn good offense.
Unfortunately Cutler was much less accurate in 2014 in terms of when he needed to deliver the ball down the field. He boosted some states with dump offs and safety valve plays to Forte and Bennett , but was noticeably worse pushing the ball down the field. He just wasn't the same throwing the ball.
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Actually you can say just that.
I thought that was the first time Trestman coached McCown or Cutler
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Maybe, I'm not going to deny that it could have easily been a fluke season because he has never played like that before...but an argument can be made for his production spike being a part of playing within the system and playing it how it was intended. He came in played efficiently and put up some pretty good numbers as the starter, did those pretty good numbers account for many wins? No, but you can also site him playing with a pretty bad defense which could have been the bigger factor in those losses.
So yeah most likely McCown season was more than likely a fluke, but you also can't deny he ran Trestman system well in those games
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No you can't. Not over that small of a sample size of games.
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If McCown threw less than 100 passes...you could dispute that.
But the fact still remains that McCown outplayed Cutler by a large margin in 2013.
The few that are still attempting to prop Cultler up are just fooling themselves
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Yes. He did. And it was a fluke. Because every other season he has been a bad quarterback while Cutler has had average numbers.
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Not within Trestman's system
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Possibly the system helped him. But the defenses he played in the bottom 5 of the league and the dropped INTs helped him more.