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And that is where the lack of sample size comes in. That is where the defenses he played comes in.
And that is where the lack of sample size comes in. That is where the defenses he played comes in.
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Are you trying to say that Cutler was hindered by caught INTs?
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Because it proves that the problem wasn't Trestman or his system.
A career journeyman scrub who was out of football coaching kids walked in off the street and resurrected his career by simply running Trestman's offense the way it's supposed to be run (i.e - simply making quick reads and throwing to the open man).
All we heard from Cutler, McCown, and Palmer that offseason was how amazing Trestman's system was, how QB friendly it was, and how he was giving them all the answers to whatever defenses threw at them.
McCown's play proved that point perfectly. He didn't have the natural arm talent Cutler has yet was able to outplay him by simply running the offense the way it was coached and doing the basic things correctly like reading the defense and throwing to the open guy.
Cutler was in full buy-in mode in 2013 playing for a new contract and actually appeared to be trying to run the system (albiet not as well as McCown did but still decently enough minus the injuries to fool Emery into giving him a huge contract).
And sure enough, after getting his big contract he reverted right back into old Jay. Happy feet in the pocket throwing off his back foot like he's MJ shooting a fade away jumper resulting in a terrible accuracy regression, locking on to receivers and telegraphing his throws, not trusting his reads and holding onto the ball instead of simply throwing it to the open man, etc, etc.. but instead of blaming the QB for this regression we have morons on here content to pin it all on Trestman and playcalling.
Like Cutler's terrible decision making and downfield accuracy wasting play after play had nothing to do with the gameplans becoming more and more scaled back and vanilla or something. It's fucking ridiculous. Do you honestly think Trestman wanted to run an offense of screen passes and check downs to Forte?!? Or maybe the games were called that way because that's the only way the QB could move the ball down the field without turning it over...
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Lol, that's insane. No two games are alike, and the numbers of games are so small that nothing is "proven" by comparing performances against different opponents and results.
Guys, nothing was "proven" by dude having a nice 6 game run. That's completely moronic to anyone who understands football, stats and math.
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That is not enough you fool. I don't know how else to make that clear to you.
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The only thing proven is that McCown was far better than Cutler in 2013
Uh, better against whom?
Did they play identical teams?
Also,
I don't care if he was 7X better; Cutler still played well in 2013. Cutler's performance is a separate matter from McCown's perfomance, and you trying to conflate the two because you can't stand facing the fact Cutler actually had a decent yr in 2013 is hilarious.
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I doubt it's even clear to you.
In terms of one season...that's plenty hefty of a sample size
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The only thing proven is that McCown was far better than Cutler in 2013
We already said that.
You are trying to twist it and say that he would always thrive in that system and that it is a good system and that because he could "always thrive" in that system and since Cutler failed in the 2nd year of that system that Cutler is a shit quarterback.
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It is only enough of a sample size to claim that he had a better year than Cutler.
Nothing more.
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I will never reply to another thread of yours until you prove to me that you can count to 10.
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Against the teams played
Not sure how that is relevant.
Decent for Cutler...average for everyone else
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You're finally catching on
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Yes it would be great if each player had 200+ games a piece under Trestman so we could form a better statistical analysis but unfortunately this is the data we have to work with. Don't be such a twat.
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Cutler isn't shit...he's mediocre/average.
This is true of every system he's been a part of.
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What on earth are you talking about?
No one is questioning his stats were better in 2013. So what?
Cutler's stats were better than Romo's and Luck's in 2013, and???? (total QBR)
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Or more than 6 before we talk about things being proven....
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LOL...comparing Cutler to a 2nd year QB