Well...We Saw What Happens

BearsJR

Well-known member
Joined:
Oct 7, 2012
Posts:
2,850
Liked Posts:
1,404
if i’m going to criticize coaching in the red zone it’s the decision to kick those FGs. but i also understand why they don’t trust mitch there. he’s been throwing RZ picks since he came off the bench.
Yeah what the hell is that all about? And each one, including the almost int today, has had more than 1 receiver in the same spot. Why don’t the Bears ever seem to have a guy alone (covered or not) in the EZ?
 

thenewguy

Well-known member
Joined:
Nov 28, 2012
Posts:
1,162
Liked Posts:
1,717
Play calling was fine with a terribly inaccurate QB. Nagy still should go though.
You could at least put Graham in the game while in the red zone. Or try and use Robinson. Or take more than one shot down field. Even the announcers were talking about double moves because the secondary was cheating. And not play for FG's.

This was a play scared game plan. Nagy wanted to keep it close, there was no real design to try and win this game. To me, that's the worst kind of game plan.
 

BeerFan

Active member
Joined:
Jan 7, 2017
Posts:
265
Liked Posts:
135
I would like to know who called the long pass to Mooney? Was it Nagy?
 

WestCoastBearsFan

Well-known member
Joined:
Dec 25, 2017
Posts:
17,088
Liked Posts:
11,480
My favorite teams
  1. Los Angeles Lakers
  1. Chicago Bears
  1. Los Angeles Kings
  1. Clemson Tigers
lol@ only 4
if you couldn’t see how this D was incapable of slowing rodgers down then you’re blind. Bears had more time of possession by close to 10 minutes and he still only threw 4 TDs. the ball control offense stopped him from throwing 5 or 6.
 

BrunoTheRed

Active member
Joined:
May 27, 2020
Posts:
336
Liked Posts:
129
Agreed, it wasn't a bad gameplan, they just didn't have the defense anymore to beat them.

If this was 2018 bears D we win this game.

Perhaps but it goes beyond the defense as well.

Mitch has limitations at quarterback.

as much as Sam Mustipher solidified the inside of the line as well as Alex bars and Cody whitehair, there was pressure at times all day up the middle.

Our tackles are suspect, and it's apparent we do need one more wide receiver who can pick up the load when Robinson is double covered and in the event Mooney gets hurt.

The nice thing is that we aren't at such a deficit that it will take forever to rebuild, but I do think this is the end of the Mitch experiment and I do think Allen Robinson moves on as well.

I could see a rebuild taking place, but one with a one-year turnaround time in order to prepare for a run in 2022.

And I do think the Bears draft a quarterback in round one.
 

legendxofxlink

Whistle Dixie
Joined:
Apr 25, 2014
Posts:
10,815
Liked Posts:
10,937
Location:
Tennessee
My favorite teams
  1. Chicago Bears
  1. Nashville Predators
  1. ETSU Buccaneers
  2. Tennessee Volunteers
You could at least put Graham in the game while in the red zone. Or try and use Robinson. Or take more than one shot down field. Even the announcers were talking about double moves because the secondary was cheating. And not play for FG's.

This was a play scared game plan. Nagy wanted to keep it close, there was no real design to try and win this game. To me, that's the worst kind of game plan.
Sure. Rodgers missed a few as well. It could’ve been a lot worse with the way Trubiskys balls were wabbling every throw. Maybe not idk. I’m not apologizing for anyone on offense but Montgomery and Mooney. The rest suck.
 

vabearsfan15

Well-known member
Joined:
Mar 12, 2013
Posts:
7,533
Liked Posts:
5,359
I'm pretty sure Rodgers has scored a TD on every possession in the 1st half of both games against the Bears. We didn't stop him once.

You shouldn't gameplan in a way that expects Rodgers to score every possession. He did that, but you should expect your highly paid defense to do better. Other defenses, no where near paid as well as ours had much better games against Greenbay. Ours falls a part. If you are going into the game with that mindset you need to fur your whole entire defensive staff
 

Discus fish salesman

Well-known member
Joined:
Mar 31, 2018
Posts:
15,417
Liked Posts:
19,920
The general game plan was fine offensively. They had to control the clock to have a chance. The piss poor thing was on short yardage continuously lining up in shotgun. And there should have been a few more shots down field. RZ is more on Mitch being an idiot than playcalling
 

dabears70

Well-known member
Joined:
Dec 31, 2013
Posts:
35,118
Liked Posts:
10,883
Location:
Orlando
My favorite teams
  1. New York Mets
  1. New York Knicks
  1. Chicago Bears
  1. New York Rangers
  1. Syracuse Orange
if you couldn’t see how this D was incapable of slowing rodgers down then you’re blind. Bears had more time of possession by close to 10 minutes and he still only threw 4 TDs. the ball control offense stopped him from throwing 5 or 6.

So Rodgers only had a short time on offense and still threw 4 TD's and somehow that's good? I don't get it?
 

vabearsfan15

Well-known member
Joined:
Mar 12, 2013
Posts:
7,533
Liked Posts:
5,359
if you couldn’t see how this D was incapable of slowing rodgers down then you’re blind. Bears had more time of possession by close to 10 minutes and he still only threw 4 TDs. the ball control offense stopped him from throwing 5 or 6.

Yeah....and Rodgers first incompletion, I believe, was the walk in TD drop that happened in the 3rd quarter..
 

WestCoastBearsFan

Well-known member
Joined:
Dec 25, 2017
Posts:
17,088
Liked Posts:
11,480
My favorite teams
  1. Los Angeles Lakers
  1. Chicago Bears
  1. Los Angeles Kings
  1. Clemson Tigers
So Rodgers only had a short time on offense and still threw 4 TD's and somehow that's good? I don't get it?
better than what would have happened with more time. that’s the only reason the game was as close as it was.
 

HearshotKDS

Well-known member
Joined:
Sep 9, 2012
Posts:
6,725
Liked Posts:
6,899
Location:
Lake Forest
I wrote it at the half, but I thought the Bears did a good job of hiding Trubisky in the first and letting their run game grind out TOP and yards despite a <4 YPC.

Nagy and Lazor were in a catch-22 a bit thought by doing that, there is a mountain of evidence that says Mitch is a below average to bad (depending on what metrics you like to use) QB at the intermediate to deep passing game. So if you call more aggressive plays then, and Mitch fails like you expect him to, then you get blasted for bad playcalling/ not calling plays to your QBs strengths. Nagy and Lazor chose to go the opposite route, which was call mostly few receiver, short to intermediate routes, and hoped YAC, luck, and a strong D would get them enough offense to win the game. The problem with that is if one thing goes wrong early, you can't get out of a hole.

I thought the second half play calling was so-so, but mostly was a result of "you can't keep a 20 point per game pace when the other team has 21 points". There were definitely still a few "what were you thinking?@?!" moments.

I don't think Pagano has any idea how to call a defense against an elite QB. Some of his cute gimmicks like faking A-gap blitz with Trevathan just to have him drop into coverage while the NB blitzes might fool a new or a bad QB, but Rodgers burned him so bad on that kind of stuff that Pagano was getting mocked by the announcers. Not a good look when your DC calls are being openly mocked by the announcers. Anyone who has watched Chi Vs. GB in the last 5-10 years could have predicted that GBs game plan was going to be attack the weak nickel and dime DBs in coverage, try and isolate WR on ILB, and then attack on the ground when the the defense shifts to DB heavy personnel. GB basically has the same game plan as the first game and Pagano has no idea how to answer it, the team is still handing off coverage to no one, still lining up 8 yards off the ball in quick pass situations, and we're still getting ridiculous Trevathan on WR mismatches.

3 big issues with the Bears: the coaching, the O, and the D, thats it lmao. So many issues with a coach is forced to give up playcalling because of poor results, but once he's "out" cant help but inset himself back in after the OC finds some success.

I think Pagano was given a Maserati, beats up on the toyotas and hondas on the road, but loses to anything with a v8 even though his car should outclass them. I think on the macro-level, there is no longterm success to be had by lopsided team spending on Defense at the expense of offense - which is how the Bears are constructed. The random/luck nature of turnovers that is required for a dominant defense in todays NFL makes it too hard to sustain.

Bears need to move on from Mitch, Nagy, and Pace, but I think it will be difficult to find better replacements; and so all 3 have likely done enough to earn another year from the teams uninspiring ownership. Fixing these issues will be hard, really hard, so might as well do nothing and hope for the best is what I expect from Halas Hall.
 

greg23

Well-known member
Joined:
Sep 28, 2014
Posts:
9,597
Liked Posts:
5,354
I believe at one point mitch was

17-20......for 95 yards

The mix of pass run was okay (mitch was in the shotgun too much vs under center) but the conservative pass route tree was awful

The field was condensed and I think we took maybe 3 shots down the field when it mattered
 

Top