What Do You Think The Outcome Will Be For The Hawks At The Deadline?

[DewsSox79]

No no, you really can't do that.

The reaction from fans and media would be ridiculous. There's a reason why no playoff teams do that. Heck, even teams that aren't playoff teams right now aren't selling or even trading because they still have a shot.

It's a nice thought and I wouldn't be opposed to it in theory, but it can not be done.

to a degree you are right. Maybe if we had a different pres other than MCD it could happen, but there is no way with MCD here that they would sell even though it is smart.

selling off is a bad PR move. This team has finally gotten fans to come to games, they would push people away....especially new fans.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

No... no teams do it. Name me teams in the past that have been fully in the playoff race (above the 8 spot) at the deadline who have dumped roster players in order to audition new prospects?

It doesn't happen regardless who is in charge of the team or it's marketing.

You don't EVER sacrifice a shot at the playoffs WHEN YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN. It does not happen.

 

[Capt. Serious]

to a degree you are right. Maybe if we had a different pres other than MCD it could happen, but there is no way with MCD here that they would sell even though it is smart.

selling off is a bad PR move. This team has finally gotten fans to come to games, they would push people away....especially new fans.

Time to get alot of the real fans back. Sick of these yuppies thinking they're "diehards".

 

[DewsSox79]

No... no teams do it. Name me teams in the past that have been fully in the playoff race (above the 8 spot) at the deadline who have dumped roster players in order to audition new prospects?

It doesn't happen regardless who is in charge of the team or it's marketing.

You don't EVER sacrifice a shot at the playoffs WHEN YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN. It does not happen.

off the top of my head the white sox did the white flag back in the day...i know its baseball but it does happen.

 

[DewsSox79]

Dallas kind of did by moving grossman. 8th seed right now

 

[Capt. Serious]

well Dallas has a guy like Philip Larsen replacing him.

 

[DMelt36]

Yes, thats exactly what Im saying. They'll probably still make the playoffs but its just as probable that it wont be the 6th seed. No PP, bad PK, unstable goaltending plus now they're not even scoring very much. A 9 game losing streak...has any team with a 9 game losing streak ever won a Cup? Being out hit nearly every game and out hustled most nights.....You'd have to be blind to think this team can still contend.

Go down fighting with your future, not your past.

20/20 all the way. I'm not gonna call these guys contenders. But the NHL postseason is the most unpredictable postseason in all of sports. Just get there, and you never know what could happen. You could see the team that hung 4 on the Rangers in 10 minutes or they could be swept in 4 games. But you don't start selling when the opportunity is there.

I'm not crowning these guys anytime soon because they've got a ton of holes, for sure. First and foremost, they aren't going to win anything without the PP scoring. I've seen it generate a few more chances lately, but doesn't matter if the puck isn't in the net.

The guys you listed? As Buff said, you're not going to get any returns for them. It's just not realistic. Nobody wants them. Most of them aren't even playing anymore.

Only guy worth a call-up, IMO, is Ben Smith. Shaw was okay til he decided to fall in love with neutral zone turnovers. May be worth another look, but not over Hayes.

 

[DewsSox79]

20/20 all the way. I'm not gonna call these guys contenders. But the NHL postseason is the most unpredictable postseason in all of sports. Just get there, and you never know what could happen. You could see the team that hung 4 on the Rangers in 10 minutes or they could be swept in 4 games. But you don't start selling when the opportunity is there.

I'm not crowning these guys anytime soon because they've got a ton of holes, for sure. First and foremost, they aren't going to win anything without the PP scoring. I've seen it generate a few more chances lately, but doesn't matter if the puck isn't in the net.

The guys you listed? As Buff said, you're not going to get any returns for them. It's just not realistic. Nobody wants them. Most of them aren't even playing anymore.

Only guy worth a call-up, IMO, is Ben Smith. Shaw was okay til he decided to fall in love with neutral zone turnovers. May be worth another look, but not over Hayes.

Bold- Wrong! this isnt baseball. Its not about just getting in. Since the arrival of the seeding process.

No seed lower than 5 ever won since 1991.

2 8th seed teams made it since the seeding process began, technically you can say just the edmonton oilers since Philly tied with montreal in 09/10 season.

So your thought of getting in is 100% wrong.

Ususally the better and upper seeds win.

http://sportslistoftheday.com/2011/04/23/nhl-stanley-cup-playoffs-winners-by-seed/

 

[DewsSox79]

NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs: Winners By Seed

 

[DMelt36]

Bold- Wrong! this isnt baseball. Its not about just getting in. Since the arrival of the seeding process.

No seed lower than 5 ever won since 1991.

2 8th seed teams made it since the seeding process began, technically you can say just the edmonton oilers since Philly tied with montreal in 09/10 season.

So your thought of getting in is 100% wrong.

Ususally the better and upper seeds win.

NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs: Winners By Seed

So the Hawks, who are one seed away from the 5 spot, should sell now?

Don't see how I'm 100 percent wrong there.

The word "usually" (which you used, not me) certainly does not imply 100 percent.

And baseball only has 4 seeds, their first round is only 5 games, and you only have a max of 3 rounds. Completely different postseason.

Oh, and two eight seeds have made it to the Cup Finals since the lockout? If this Hawks team got to the Cup Finals I'd be pleasantly surprised, so I'll take that, too.

 

[DewsSox79]

So the Hawks, who are one seed away from the 5 spot, should sell now?

Don't see how I'm 100 percent wrong there.

The word "usually" (which you used, not me) certainly does not imply 100 percent.

And baseball only has 4 seeds, their first round is only 5 games, and you only have a max of 3 rounds. Completely different postseason.

Oh, and two eight seeds have made it to the Cup Finals since the lockout? If this Hawks team got to the Cup Finals I'd be pleasantly surprised, so I'll take that, too.

They are also 2 points away from 7th seed. You are taking me way out of context. I am not saying "stan please sell off everything" All I am saying is it wouldnt be a bad thing for the team excluding the PR disaster of course.

Baseballs postseason shows in history anyone can win. See the last 2 cardinals championships. In baseball its always who is hot going in, always.

 

[DMelt36]

Time to get alot of the real fans back. Sick of these yuppies thinking they're "diehards".

I hate those yuppie fans too. But get used to them, because they're not going anywhere. Neither are the Hawks.

I'd rather have a packed house of 22,000 than a stadium that's only got 9,000 in the seats. Even if half of the fans there don't know a thing about the game.

 

[DMelt36]

They are also 2 points away from 7th seed. You are taking me way out of context. I am not saying "stan please sell off everything" All I am saying is it wouldnt be a bad thing for the team excluding the PR disaster of course.

Baseballs postseason shows in history anyone can win. See the last 2 cardinals championships. In baseball its always who is hot going in, always.

It wouldn't be bad for them to ... what? Trade away the guys diehard listed like Carcillo, Scott, Brunnette, Morrison, etc?

Other than that being a pipe dream, because no one wants those guys, do you really think there are any young guns down in Rockford that are worth jumping to the NHL right now? That team's at the bottom of the AHL right now, and the only players worth seeing have already been here.

Here's what I think should be the Hawks roster going forward. Not necessarily these line combos, just doing this to get all the names up there.

Kane-Toews-Sharp
Hossa-Kruger-Hayes
Bickell-Bolland-Stalberg
Brunnette-Mayers-Frolik
Keith-Olsen
Seabrook-Leddy
O'Donnell-Lepisto

Scratches: Scott, Morrison
Injured: Hjalmarsson, Montador (I'm assuming Toews will be back Wed.)

Now, out of that group, if you were going to call up some minor leaguers to replace them, there are really only three even worth considering, and they've been in Chicago already: Pirri, Shaw, and Smith. Shaw is probably a 4th line grinder, you could probably throw him in for Frolik. Smith may be a decent 3rd line checking guy. If not, also 4th line grinder. If you call up Pirri, he's not going to see time on the top two lines, and he's not going to replace Bolland as a checking center. So you really want him up in the NHL skating 4th line minutes? I don't. I think you could say the same for Shaw and Smith, too.

Of course, if you can land a top 6 forward or another d-man, that could re-shuffle things completely. But I'm starting to think some of the asking prices have scared the Hawks away, so nothing big will be happening. What you see now is what the Hawks will use.

 

[DewsSox79]

It wouldn't be bad for them to ... what? Trade away the guys diehard listed like Carcillo, Scott, Brunnette, Morrison, etc?

Other than that being a pipe dream, because no one wants those guys, do you really think there are any young guns down in Rockford that are worth jumping to the NHL right now? That team's at the bottom of the AHL right now, and the only players worth seeing have already been here.

Here's what I think should be the Hawks roster going forward. Not necessarily these line combos, just doing this to get all the names up there.

Kane-Toews-Sharp
Hossa-Kruger-Hayes
Bickell-Bolland-Stalberg
Brunnette-Mayers-Frolik
Keith-Olsen
Seabrook-Leddy
O'Donnell-Lepisto

Scratches: Scott, Morrison
Injured: Hjalmarsson, Montador (I'm assuming Toews will be back Wed.)

Now, out of that group, if you were going to call up some minor leaguers to replace them, there are really only three even worth considering, and they've been in Chicago already: Pirri, Shaw, and Smith. Shaw is probably a 4th line grinder, you could probably throw him in for Frolik. Smith may be a decent 3rd line checking guy. If not, also 4th line grinder. If you call up Pirri, he's not going to see time on the top two lines, and he's not going to replace Bolland as a checking center. So you really want him up in the NHL skating 4th line minutes? I don't. I think you could say the same for Shaw and Smith, too.

Of course, if you can land a top 6 forward or another d-man, that could re-shuffle things completely. But I'm starting to think some of the asking prices have scared the Hawks away, so nothing big will be happening. What you see now is what the Hawks will use.

How the hell do you have the energy to write all of that at 2:45 AM and after a shitty loss?

Il do my best to reply now as I am zoning out.

I dont think you are far off base with the lines. the only issue I have is with the 2nd line, there is no one there to help hossa. Krueger has played better, yes, but hayes is inexperienced as well. Hossa needs a guy to feed him the puck and vice versa IMO.

What you have stated in pretty accurate, but also shows why they need to trade for a DMAN and a solid 2nd line center.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Stop being silly, this team as constructed is one & done if they even get there.

 

[tbo41fan]

What I want...

Oduya from Winnipeg
ONE of Campoli/Hamrlik from MTL
Brassard from Colombus

 

[DewsSox79]

3 points from an 8th seed.

I think we are skilled enough to just get a burish

 

[Diehardfan]

To everyone that says dumping players with a playoff spot arguably in hand is NOT done.
You are correct, its not. Its all about the money...what else? Owners dont like giving up home playoff games, even if its only two....those jacked up ticket prices are there for a reason.

But to think that there would be a fan uproar because they dumped a Morrson, Brunette or an O'Donnell for future considerations, a player to be named or a 7th round pick....is absurd. A large portion of the fans arent knowledgable enough even to care and the ones that are knowledgable would be applauding the move and eager to see some kids that are hungry.

 

[DMelt36]

To everyone that says dumping players with a playoff spot arguably in hand is NOT done.
You are correct, its not. Its all about the money...what else? Owners dont like giving up home playoff games, even if its only two....those jacked up ticket prices are there for a reason.

But to think that there would be a fan uproar because they dumped a Morrson, Brunette or an O'Donnell for future considerations, a player to be named or a 7th round pick....is absurd. A large portion of the fans arent knowledgable enough even to care and the ones that are knowledgable would be applauding the move and eager to see some kids that are hungry.

Hahaha I'll bet half the fans don't even know who those guys are.

I just don't see anyone willing to take those guys, that's all.

And while I see the point of calling up guys like Pirri, Shaw, and Smith for the postseason, I think that might stunt their growth. That's your top line for the Rockford Ice Hogs (at least it was Friday night when I saw them play). Those guys are probably playing 20 minutes a game and seeing time on the PP/PK, too. In Chicago, they'd be lucky to get 10 minutes a game.

Now, for the playoffs (which Rockford won't be playing in), that's a different story.

 

[icehogfan08]

What I want...

Oduya from Winnipeg
ONE of Campoli/Hamrlik from MTL
Brassard from Colombus

Pretty sure he is with the Caps. While you mention his name I heard the hawks are interested in him, Mike Knuble may not be a bad option to get with him. Not a #2 center but a big winger who could help if we needed to make a move.