What I Would Do In The Offseason

[Captain Obvious]

but then we drop like a rock two years after that

That's not the point. It got us to the playoffs twice. It did what it was supposed to do.

who cares?

The team is not financially strong enough to go ahead and do another spending spree. If you want to keep thinking that, great! Just dont poop in your pants when it doesnt happen.

Why? You can say this shit all you want, but until you bring some evidence, it means nothing.

15 million atleast if not more. they maybe baseball idiots, but they know what the forecasted economy is going to be like. Ricketts is not in good shape as far as his financial situation so adding that with the forecast is the main reasons to not spend.

just look at attendance. it's not down by enough to warrant a 15 million dollar drop in payroll. even with this shitty team.

Keep living in 2007 and 2008. It didn't work. It won't work signing Fielder and other top free agents.

Like I said Ideally I'd like to see Barney hitting 8th on a good team, but guess what??

The Cubs aren't a good team right now. So I could give 2 flying fucks where Barney hits now.

How did it not work? It got us to the playoffs. TWICE! That's all you can realistically expect out of any team because the playoffs are such a crap shoot. We've been over this.

So why won't it work with signing Fielder? Just because we didn't win the World Series with Soriano, that means it won't work with Fielder too?

What's the difference with what the Cubs do now???

Barney's the best option at 2B right now, though Dewitt and Baker are options as well.

I can't see the hate for a guy whose hitting 288 on a 20 under 500 team. It's not like Barney is costing the team games now.

Same thing with Campana, dude can run, yet is already considered a 5th outfielder.

Campana's ceiling may be only as high as Juan Pierre's, but that's still good enough to start in the majors and be a productive player. Plus he'd be the first basestealing threat for the Cubs since



Juan Pierre.

Sure Campana can run. Too bat you have to get on base first before that becomes an asset. Mr. .311 OBP can't get on base for shit.

As for Barney, his BA is one stat and you are using one stat to say he is good enough to get time hitting 2nd? Look at his OBP, it sucks. He can't walk for shit. He doesn't have any pop in his bat, so to speak. He is just a very meh ball player

WTF

The goal is to win the the world series.

If we make the playoffs and lose its a failure. Just not as big of one as not making the playoffs.


What the hell is so hard about that to understand?

No shit the goal is to win the world series, but when the playoffs are as big of a crap shoot as they are, it's unrealistic to expect any team to win the world series. what the hell is so hard about that to understand?

 

[nwfisch]

Why? You can say this shit all you want, but until you bring some evidence, it means nothing.



just look at attendance. it's not down by enough to warrant a 15 million dollar drop in payroll. even with this shitty team.

Have you looked at the economy lately??

How did it not work? It got us to the playoffs. TWICE! That's all you can realistically expect out of any team because the playoffs are such a crap shoot. We've been over this.

Sorry no playoff victories at all and being relatively uncompetitive doesn't mean it worked. It was a good idea, the Cubs signed good players, its unfortunate they had to pay through the nose for Soriano. It didn't work.

So why won't it work with signing Fielder? Just because we didn't win the World Series with Soriano, that means it won't work with Fielder too?

I don't see Fielder being a 20 win difference over Pena :dunno:

Sure Campana can run. Too bat you have to get on base first before that becomes an asset. Mr. .311 OBP can't get on base for shit.

To me, you can't call a player a 5th outfielder after about 30 starts in the MLB.

The Cubs still don't know about Colvin, and they've been kicking the tires on him for about 5 years.

As for Barney, his BA is one stat and you are using one stat to say he is good enough to get time hitting 2nd? Look at his OBP, it sucks. He can't walk for shit. He doesn't have any pop in his bat, so to speak. He is just a very meh ball player

Ideally I'd like to see Barney hitting 8th on a good team, but guess what??

The Cubs aren't a good team right now. So I could give 2 flying fucks where Barney hits now.

No shit the goal is to win the world series, but when the playoffs are as big of a crap shoot as they are, it's unrealistic to expect any team to win the world series. what the hell is so hard about that to understand?

I would rather build the best team, then a team that just gets to the show. To do that, the Cubs have to develop most of their own, while filling holes with free agents.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Have you looked at the economy lately??

Yes, I have. And have you looked at the attendance numbers? Cubs are on pace to have only 10,000 fans less than last year.

Sorry no playoff victories at all and being relatively uncompetitive doesn't mean it worked. It was a good idea, the Cubs signed good players, its unfortunate they had to pay through the nose for Soriano. It didn't work.

what part about the playoffs are a total crap shoot did you not get? We were the best team in 2008, just because we went 3 and out, doesn't mean it didn't work.

I don't see Fielder being a 20 win difference over Pena :dunno:

So you think that 40% of our rotation will be injured and we will be exactly the same with injuries, performance, etc? This team is bad, but it's not as bad as it's record shows.

They also wouldn't be signing Fielder to a one year deal, sure we might not make it to the playoffs the first year, but there would be 5 or so more years.

To me, you can't call a player a 5th outfielder after about 30 starts in the MLB.

The Cubs still don't know about Colvin, and they've been kicking the tires on him for about 5 years.

Naive much? Campana sucks. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that.

Same goes with Colvin. He is just not that good.

I would rather build the best team, then a team that just gets to the show. To do that, the Cubs have to develop most of their own, while filling holes with free agents.

Filling holes with free agents. Sounds like 1B to me. Fielder.

We all want the best team, but even the best team doesn't win most of the time. Again, the playoffs are a total crapshoot.

 

[DewsSox79]

why people argue and debate with the biggest cubs homer here is beyond me. you dont have to listen to me about the debt situation with the cubs, you will see your "evidence" next year when they dont get fielder or any other big name FA and suck again next year. funny how 500 million in debt isnt a real big deal to homer cub fans. tickets sold and people showing up are a big deal, they are losing a ton of money in merch and concessions.

 

[Captain Obvious]

why people argue and debate with the biggest cubs homer here is beyond me. you dont have to listen to me about the debt situation with the cubs, you will see your "evidence" next year when they dont get fielder or any other big name FA and suck again next year. funny how 500 million in debt isnt a real big deal to homer cub fans. tickets sold and people showing up are a big deal, they are losing a ton of money in merch and concessions.

Each team gets an equal share of the merchandise lolololololol

 

[DewsSox79]

Each team gets an equal share of the merchandise lolololololol

not exactly true.

 

[Captain Obvious]

not exactly true.

Okay?..... You gonna say why or what?

 

[DewsSox79]

Okay?..... You gonna say why or what?

your major players, cub,yanks, dodgers still get kick backs of more than equal to lets say the marlins. If you dont think they do, than you are pretty much an idiot.

 

[Captain Obvious]

your major players, cub,yanks, dodgers still get kick backs of more than equal to lets say the marlins. If you dont think they do, than you are pretty much an idiot.

Do you have any links or articles or anything to prove this?

 

[DewsSox79]

Do you have any links or articles or anything to prove this?

not everything is in a "link" form or in "article" form as you will learn when you graduate college and go into the real world, that is how things work. it called holdback or kickback on revenue of sales per transaction per product.

 

[Captain Obvious]

not everything is in a "link" form or in "article" form as you will learn when you graduate college and go into the real world, that is how things work. it called holdback or kickback on revenue of sales per transaction per product.

So you're saying that you don't have any proof?

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

lack of success in the playoffs is not the argument i was trying to make..its consistency

relying on free agents with the Cubs market will arguably bring success, but before you know the cubs are back down again scrambling for more free agents...not to mention its not like every free agent is served on a silver platter for the cubs

again...im not saying that the cubs shouldnt go out and try to get free agents..that statement sounds a little ridiculous..but its not the sole solution...nor is it always the long term solution(think about the recent free agents that have left or have deteriorated a bit with age)...i think we have done a good job with our young crop(guys like castro,brett jackson,etc.)...and that should be the foundation for long term success..but of course, i still support the cubs trying to get a big name during free agency,but at the same time it does NOT automatically solve all our problems

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

your major players, cub,yanks, dodgers still get kick backs of more than equal to lets say the marlins. If you dont think they do, than you are pretty much an idiot.

has to do with the market size and revenue right?

 

[DewsSox79]

So you're saying that you don't have any proof?

wow, you are a moron. if you dont change your ways in the next 5 years you will be serving pizzas and making snuggy videos the rest of your life.

you will learn that in a profit filled company based world whether its a shoe company, a gas company to baseball teams....that things not stated about kickbacks and holdbacks are usually fact. you dont have to believe me, you can keep living in this delusional state, it is fine by me. not my problem, yours.

 

[DewsSox79]

has to do with the market size and revenue right?

always! damn you are good.

 

[Captain Obvious]

wow, you are a moron. if you dont change your ways in the next 5 years you will be serving pizzas and making snuggy videos the rest of your life.

you will learn that in a profit filled company based world whether its a shoe company, a gas company to baseball teams....that things not stated about kickbacks and holdbacks are usually fact. you dont have to believe me, you can keep living in this delusional state, it is fine by me. not my problem, yours.

What does my personal life have to do with this? You're actually starting to creep me out.

I never said I don't agree, I'm just asking to see something. Sorry we don't all take what you say to be 100% fact.

 

[dabynsky]

lack of success in the playoffs is not the argument i was trying to make..its consistency

relying on free agents with the Cubs market will arguably bring success, but before you know the cubs are back down again scrambling for more free agents...not to mention its not like every free agent is served on a silver platter for the cubs

again...im not saying that the cubs shouldnt go out and try to get free agents..that statement sounds a little ridiculous..but its not the sole solution...nor is it always the long term solution(think about the recent free agents that have left or have deteriorated a bit with age)...i think we have done a good job with our young crop(guys like castro,brett jackson,etc.)...and that should be the foundation for long term success..but of course, i still support the cubs trying to get a big name during free agency,but at the same time it does NOT automatically solve all our problems

This is basically what I have been arguing for since I started posting actively here. Let the farm system provide what it can which is probably two legitimate position players and a bunch of relievers/bench guys. Go out and sign guys that fill positions of need that you can't fill from within the next few years internally. Those big spots would be 1B, 3B, and top of the rotation starting pitching.

 

[dabynsky]

Look we've argued about the payroll next year. There was a lot of talk about Ricketts spending a ton of money and being tapped out when he took over the team. Dews has mentioned a number of other reasons that point to a decline in payroll. I agree with some of what he says for example the economy sucks and we don't know everything that is going on.

The thing that gets to me when people assume the payroll is going to go down is the actual actions of this team hasn't painted the picture of a team in dire financial straits. These are the actions I have seen the Cubs take under Ricketts. Funding to build a top flight academy in the Dominican Republic. If the rumors of signing Baez and Vogelbach are true, the Cubs are likely to spend double what they spent on amateur draft signings. On top of that they have signed two Latin American prospects to seven figure bonuses, which the team had never done prior. The total amount on amateur talent is likely to be the most ever spent by the Cubs. In the two trades the Cubs have made to dump players the last two years the Cubs payed most of the salary. There were multiple reports that the Cubs had the option of either paying salary to get better prospects or getting lesser prospects without paying anything. The Cubs chose to pay money to acquire talent.

At the end of the day, Dews and others might be right that the payroll is slashed by 15 million or more. And if that happens 2012 is going to be a long season. However, looking at the evidence everyone has available I don't think it is unreasonable to remain skeptical of that 15 million plus figure.

 

[nwfisch]

2012 is going to be a long season even if the Cubs sign Fielder alone....

Cubs need pitching from somewhere, because Wells and Cashner can't be counted on as more than 5th starters.

 

[dabynsky]

Have I not being arguing that pitching is the biggest need of this team?