What would you do with Alfonso Soriano?

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  • Start him in LF every day

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  • Bench/platoon guy

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Rice Cube

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So I was tossing the idea around of a Soriano for AJ Burnett trade where the Cubs and Yankees basically swap players, but since the Yankees want to save money and need a cheap DH, the Cubs send over most of the difference in salary. This is being discussed over on our Facebook page if you are interested, but just wondering what folks here though.

Apologies if someone already suggested this somewhere in this thread.
 

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So I was tossing the idea around of a Soriano for AJ Burnett trade where the Cubs and Yankees basically swap players, but since the Yankees want to save money and need a cheap DH, the Cubs send over most of the difference in salary. This is being discussed over on our Facebook page if you are interested, but just wondering what folks here though.

Apologies if someone already suggested this somewhere in this thread.

Certainly an interesting idea. I would assume the Cubs would have to pay the difference in salaries not only for the yearly difference but the amount of years since Burnett is signed only through next year. If the Cubs didn't have to pay for that final year of Soriano, than it is no brainer for the Cubs to do that deal, but I don't see the Yankees going for that.
 

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Certainly an interesting idea. I would assume the Cubs would have to pay the difference in salaries not only for the yearly difference but the amount of years since Burnett is signed only through next year. If the Cubs didn't have to pay for that final year of Soriano, than it is no brainer for the Cubs to do that deal, but I don't see the Yankees going for that.

I think Burnett has $33MM remaining so they'd have to figure out what to do with the remaining $21MM. I think the Cubs basically pay $15MM of that so the Yankees pay for Burnett (sunk cost) and only $2MM for three years of Soriano at DH. Would that sound more fair to you?
 

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I think Burnett has $33MM remaining so they'd have to figure out what to do with the remaining $21MM. I think the Cubs basically pay $15MM of that so the Yankees pay for Burnett (sunk cost) and only $2MM for three years of Soriano at DH. Would that sound more fair to you?

That would be more along the lines of what I think the Yankees might consider doing. Though at that point I am not sure how much the Cubs gain by making that trade. I guess it would fit in the need to have 10 major league starters like Theo wants at least.
 

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The idea is to A- increase pitching depth even if AJ is pure shit; B- get a better outfielder in the spot previously occupied by Soriano and C- save a wee bit of money.

It's not really ideal for either team. Just an idea I had.
 

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The idea is to A- increase pitching depth even if AJ is pure shit; B- get a better outfielder in the spot previously occupied by Soriano and C- save a wee bit of money.

It's not really ideal for either team. Just an idea I had.

B and C are the only reasons to make the deal, and at that point it is a matter of just saving 6 million dollars. I think getting an Abner Abreu level prospect and saving 6 million dollars would be preferable.
 

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B and C are the only reasons to make the deal, and at that point it is a matter of just saving 6 million dollars. I think getting an Abner Abreu level prospect and saving 6 million dollars would be preferable.

Or maybe since both are sunk costs...Cubs pay all of the difference, get the prospect, and get AJ Burnett with the hope that he keeps up the K/9 rate while figuring out how to stop giving up home runs.

I dunno. It's late and I'm tired :D I think AJ could be useful for a couple seasons though.
 

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I think we can get rid of AJ's name. Thoyer has made it pretty clear that he doesn't want to take back another shitty contract. We don't really have much to gain out of getting rid of Soriano while still getting another bad player back. We just don't. Might as well try to save money in the long run(by eating money this season).
 

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Or maybe since both are sunk costs...Cubs pay all of the difference, get the prospect, and get AJ Burnett with the hope that he keeps up the K/9 rate while figuring out how to stop giving up home runs.

I dunno. It's late and I'm tired :D I think AJ could be useful for a couple seasons though.

I understand the reasoning behind making a deal like that (I was somewhat advocating swapping Soriano for Zito earlier), but since they are blowing the thing up I don't see the point in getting AJ Burnett back. Again if they are only going to save 6 million in savings I would guess the Cubs would rather just to take a flyer on a high ceiling/low floor prospect.
 

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CO, will you stop saying fucking Thoyer? And Thoyer isn't a "he", it is too people. You really need too learn to use grammar and how to not use Special person nicknames for Epstein and Hoyer.
 

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I understand the reasoning behind making a deal like that (I was somewhat advocating swapping Soriano for Zito earlier), but since they are blowing the thing up I don't see the point in getting AJ Burnett back. Again if they are only going to save 6 million in savings I would guess the Cubs would rather just to take a flyer on a high ceiling/low floor prospect.

I could see this as well and you're probably right that it's more likely they look for a prospect rather than a bad contract. I just look at the lack of a market for Soriano and I think that maybe they'll just take what they can get and hope for a bounceback from a guy like AJ Burnett. I don't profess to know what Theo/Jed think though.
 

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BleacherNation had a few bullets about Soriano that I found interesting.
*The Alfonso Soriano speculation continues. Bruce Levine reiterates that the Cubs would be willing to eat 80% of the remaining $54 million (over three years) owed to Soriano, and Jim Bowden says the Tigers should consider Soriano to replace Victor Martinez. Thing is? I’m told that, when the Cubs contacted the Tigers about Soriano after learning of the Martinez injury, the Tigers wanted the Cubs to eat 95% of his remaining salary. Yo.

*The primary issue teams have with Soriano? It’s those three years. Now, you can say it’s all money, so the years don’t really matter. But here’s why they do: a number of teams are willing to take Soriano on at $5 or $6 million in 2012. But 2013 and 2014? They aren’t crazy about taking him on for *any* amount. So, what you’re left with is a number of teams wanting the Cubs to eat 90 to 95% of the deal (to yield a “fair” contract in 2012, and “no” contract in 2013/14). It’s a matter of perspective, but the upshot is: unless the Cubs are willing to eat $48 to $50 million of Soriano’s deal, it will remain a near impossibility to trade him.

*John Arguello from the very well-done Cubs Den reported yesterday that the Cubs had actually managed to secure a Soriano trade with the Orioles earlier in the week, but Soriano nixed it by way of his no-trade rights (with not-so-coincident reports that Soriano would accept a trade only to a contender). To the extent you’re reach for your torch, let me offer you two shots of relax: (1) it’s hard to blame Soriano, who knows he’s on his last contract, for wanting to be where he wants to be in his latter years; (2) I checked with a source on the report, and, while it’s true that the Cubs and O’s discussed Soriano, it didn’t quite get to the stage of exchanging names/dollar amounts. Before the two sides got to that stage, the Cubs checked in on Soriano’s thoughts, and he indicated that he wouldn’t be accepting a trade to Baltimore. So things ended before they really got anywhere.
 
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So what do the Cubs do with the $54MM, if we assume that they have to pay all of it no matter what...

1. Keep Soriano and play him every day until he absolutely has to be released;

2. Send Soriano and the $54MM to another team and get a prospect back.

I think they probably have to look at option #2 to see if they can get a contending team to throw them a bone.
 

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So what do the Cubs do with the $54MM, if we assume that they have to pay all of it no matter what...

1. Keep Soriano and play him every day until he absolutely has to be released;

2. Send Soriano and the $54MM to another team and get a prospect back.

I think they probably have to look at option #2 to see if they can get a contending team to throw them a bone.
I am more and more thinking that #1 might not be the worst option. If you "platoon" him in left field to rest his legs often perhaps with a bounceback year you can get someone to bite at the deadline. The risk seems to be minimal given that they aren't saving money either way.
 

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Yeah, I think they keep him. I also think they have to play him as much as possible which is why I even suggested trying to platoon him with LaHair at 1B.
 

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I think it'd be interesting to try him at 1B, since we don't have a solid starter there (yet) so platooning him with LaHair would open up a chance for an outfielder (possibly Jackson) to play there. Then when Rizzo comes up, platoon him in the outfield
 

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I think we can get rid of AJ's name. Thoyer has made it pretty clear that he doesn't want to take back another shitty contract. We don't really have much to gain out of getting rid of Soriano while still getting another bad player back. We just don't. Might as well try to save money in the long run(by eating money this season).

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I don't see the advantage in platooning him. We should be trying to drive up his value and the only way to do that is to play him full time, hope like hell he gets a shitload of homeruns and that some team will eat 10-15 MM of the deal. If we get Cespedes, I think both Byrd and Soriano have to be gone. If we don't, I think it is just one. I really really really hope that it is both, though.
 
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