Whats the point of this season?

[ChiSoxCity]

Prior to the new Brass, finally, that is in year 3 of of 4 year rebuilding plan? Man, your fuckin intelligence is fuckin blowing me away!

lol

 

[clonetrooper264]

The FO embraces it....the personnel doesn't.

That's what I meant...perhaps should've clarified.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say... I was predicting Indy was gonna beat the Heat last year, if we couldn't. I'm just talking about showing up, playing ball, and trying to win a game!

Basically, Indiana isn't going "oh no we might have to play the Bulls!"

You said that we'd be a team that no one wants to play in the early rounds. I'm saying Miami and Indiana are totally cool playing us in early rounds. The only teams they care about are each other.

As for the Bulls showing up trying to win games...yes, they'll do that. And they'll fail in a 7 game series against Indiana or Miami.

 

[houheffna]

I'd rather be a team that was too proud to tank, and fought hard, but came up short this year, only to get the trophy next year! **** all the tanking, **** sucking, girly man, thinking, whatever, Bitches!

WTF is wrong with you? You can't be serious....

 

[1COBearsfan]

so it doesn't look like thibs/players are gonna embrace the tank

so we are gonna end up with the 18th pick and a 1st round playoff exit

wheres the fast forward button? :lol:

The same as the actual point of any professional sports season: for the owners to make money off of fans

 

[Axl Rose]

what does taking pacers/heat to 5 hard games achieve?

this is a lost year...scratching and clawing our way to the playoffs doesn't do anything but hurt the team in the long run

i dont like losing either but i see that its the best option this year

 

[Axl Rose]

Suck it up and take the 1st or 2nd round exit at the hands of the Pacers or Heat. Arguably since we weren't ever as talented as the Heat in past seasons and didn't have a good chance at beating them those 60 win seasons were also pointless because hey, we couldn't win anywayl

alteast those seasons were enjoyable to watch and there was atleast the glimmer of hope that it would be the year we took down the heat

this season is hard to watch the play has been brutal and its absolutely no chance

 

[clonetrooper264]

alteast those seasons were enjoyable to watch and there was atleast the glimmer of hope that it would be the year we took down the heat

this season is hard to watch the play has been brutal and its absolutely no chance

I agree, but it's hard to sell that to a group of guys that's used to winning lots of games every year and think that they could take out any team in the playoffs if they play hard enough.

 

[Diddy1122]

I said this last season and I'll say it again, NO TEAM COACHED BY THIBS WILL EVER TANK. It's that simple. While I understand and respect the point of pride that he and the players are taking on now, and have shown throughout the years, it is absolutely ESSENTIAL for the improvement of this franchise's future that we get as good a pick as we can in this year's draft. It is shaping up to be the best draft since '04, with several bonafide perrenial all-stars projected. This is a draft we NEED to be in the top 5 for.

There is nothing to play for this season other than pride, and it's that pride that is going to severely hamper this team's future if we make the postseason. Whenever the idea of tanking comes up, I always bristle at it. However, the greatest coach of all time, Greg Popovich (Sorry Phil), was on board with throwing a season away when Robinson was injured to ensure his team the best chance of getting Duncan, which they did. Then again, Pop has a better sense of the big picture when it comes to the game. Thibs, while I love his passion and no-quit attitude, is extremely short-sighted when it comes to coaching. You can't play every single game like its game 7 of the finals and expect to win it all. The season is a grind and he still has yet to figure that out going his 4th season as coach.

 

[bullsadonisdna]

U guys are missing the point of development. Instead of losing every game we now see that jimmy is our sf not our 2g. We went this route because we tried to win and saw that he was not the answer at 2g for a team like us while trying to win.
Now if we lost lost we would just say hey we are supposed to be losing jimmy is our answer at 2g next season but we couldnt have been more wrong.

 

[Bear Pride]

Has Cutler ever won anything? Ever? What about a playoff game?

What? You don't remember all the Jay bashing in the NFC championship game? LOL

 

[Bear Pride]

Basically, Indiana isn't going "oh no we might have to play the Bulls!"

You said that we'd be a team that no one wants to play in the early rounds. I'm saying Miami and Indiana are totally cool playing us in early rounds. The only teams they care about are each other.

As for the Bulls showing up trying to win games...yes, they'll do that. And they'll fail in a 7 game series against Indiana or Miami.

I don't know how many times I can explain the same thing. I don't believe that Indy is afraid of any team going into the playoffs. BUT, Bulls vs Indy games are typical division rival games, especially in the playoffs!

And you can be sure that Indy is AWARE that the Bulls ALWAYS play them tough. Thibbs and the Bulls are famous for playing a real physical style of defense in the playoffs. 5 games against the Bulls in round 1 can take more energy than you want to spend.

I'm not sure why you would focus on this.

 

[Bear Pride]

WTF is wrong with you? You can't be serious....

Ya know, maybe you're right Hue, it's how I feel when I see Bulls fans want their team to Lose! Having been a part of winning championships before, I just can't comprehend wanting your team to Lose. To me, it's weak! And my words don't come close to this, imo.

 

[Bear Pride]

what does taking pacers/heat to 5 hard games achieve?

this is a lost year...scratching and clawing our way to the playoffs doesn't do anything but hurt the team in the long run

i dont like losing either but i see that its the best option this year

What? Life is all about scratching and clawing to be successful. You're asking PRO athletes to perform at a lesser level than their capable, which can hurt their LIVELYHOOD! WTF do you do? Do you own a Business? Do you hold a position of value to any company? You're asking other Professionals to tank? You're a fuckin kid, STFU!

 

[clonetrooper264]

I don't know how many times I can explain the same thing. I don't believe that Indy is afraid of any team going into the playoffs. BUT, Bulls vs Indy games are typical division rival games, especially in the playoffs!

And you can be sure that Indy is AWARE that the Bulls ALWAYS play them tough. Thibbs and the Bulls are famous for playing a real physical style of defense in the playoffs. 5 games against the Bulls in round 1 can take more energy than you want to spend.

I'm not sure why you would focus on this.

You brought it up?

Who cares if we play Indiana tough? We still lose at the end and don't gain anything. If we tanked the season and got a top 5 draft pick, we'd at least get something for our one year of misery: a potential star to go with Rose. A star that we don't have to worry about paying big money to for 4 years and one that we can pair with Rose as his sidekick or as Batman to his Robin for the next decade. And that player could potentially put us over the top. That's more helpful than losing in the 1st round, getting a draft pick that might be a nice role player but doesn't help us get significantly better, striking out in free agency and overpaying some other good role player that again doesn't put us over the top, and once again being underdogs to win a title the next year.

It's like when the Spurs got Tim Duncan to pair with David Robinson, which someone has brought up somewhere. One sacrificed season after seasons of success led to another decade of success and titles just because they tanked the season after Robinson got injured.

It's also kind of like when we got Rose initially. We were a good team the year before, one that people believed had the potential to be in the ECF, and then we have a rather crappy season. We fall into the lotto and wind up with Derrick Rose by freakish luck. We go from ECF contender to potential title contender a couple seasons later. If we had won more games that year, we would've been doomed to mediocrity for the past 4 years instead of having title chances. Similarly, if we win more games this year, it's just putting us in a position to be mediocre until the end of Rose's career. That's why it's better to just suck for a year. We know we have no shot...why not put ourselves to get right back into having a shot the next season by tanking? These players don't have anything to worry about because they have guaranteed contracts. Further, it doesn't mean that they all have to suck statistically, they can still put up good numbers and lose games. Just look at Kevin Love.

 

[Bear Pride]

You brought it up?

Who cares if we play Indiana tough? We still lose at the end and don't gain anything. If we tanked the season and got a top 5 draft pick, we'd at least get something for our one year of misery: a potential star to go with Rose. A star that we don't have to worry about paying big money to for 4 years and one that we can pair with Rose as his sidekick or as Batman to his Robin for the next decade. And that player could potentially put us over the top. That's more helpful than losing in the 1st round, getting a draft pick that might be a nice role player but doesn't help us get significantly better, striking out in free agency and overpaying some other good role player that again doesn't put us over the top, and once again being underdogs to win a title the next year.

It's like when the Spurs got Tim Duncan to pair with David Robinson, which someone has brought up somewhere. One sacrificed season after seasons of success led to another decade of success and titles just because they tanked the season after Robinson got injured.

It's also kind of like when we got Rose initially. We were a good team the year before, one that people believed had the potential to be in the ECF, and then we have a rather crappy season. We fall into the lotto and wind up with Derrick Rose by freakish luck. We go from ECF contender to potential title contender a couple seasons later. If we had won more games that year, we would've been doomed to mediocrity for the past 4 years instead of having title chances. Similarly, if we win more games this year, it's just putting us in a position to be mediocre until the end of Rose's career. That's why it's better to just suck for a year. We know we have no shot...why not put ourselves to get right back into having a shot the next season by tanking? These players don't have anything to worry about because they have guaranteed contracts. Further, it doesn't mean that they all have to suck statistically, they can still put up good numbers and lose games. Just look at Kevin Love.

Dude, you are really a lost cause. If you're the kind of fan that wants his team to suck, then run with that roll my friend, but I will roll with wanting to WIN every game that they play!

 

[houheffna]

Ya know, maybe you're right Hue, it's how I feel when I see Bulls fans want their team to Lose! Having been a part of winning championships before, I just can't comprehend wanting your team to Lose. To me, it's weak! And my words don't come close to this, imo.

In the NBA, you are one of three types of teams...Contender, lottery-bound, or hell! That is what makes the NBA unique to every other major sport....mediocre teams don't win shit and you have a minimal opportunity to improve. You look at the teams that were able to achieve multiple titles...they did it using three specific routes

1. Cap Space
2. Superstars
3. Tanking

I am talking the Spurs, Lakers (Shaq/Kobe and Kobe/Gasol), Celtics, Heat....all of the dominant teams that have come and gone over the past 15 years...that is the route they had to take. The possible exception was the Pistons, and they only thrived when the conference's superstars played with underwhelming rosters...otherwise, Wade/Shaq beat them (could have beaten them twice if not for Wade being hurt in 2005), Lebron beat them with a bunch of bums, the Celtics beat them, etc.

This is why I don't understand why some get upset about "trading the whole roster" for Carmelo and other superstars. With 2 superstars, you are closer to a title than you are with the current roster. It used to be that tanking was the norm...back when the drafts actually had players. You mean to tell me YOU wouldn't tank for a shot at Shaquille O'Neal? Jason Kidd? Grant Hill (still say he would have been better than Pippen if healthy)? Of course you do! The system makes it a bit less predictable...but you have to go for it.

 

[RoseMVP1]

And you can be sure that Indy is AWARE that the Bulls ALWAYS play them tough. Thibbs and the Bulls are famous for playing a real physical style of defense in the playoffs. 5 games against the Bulls in round 1 can take more energy than you want to spend.

I'm not sure why you would focus on this.

So if I understand you correctly, you want us to make the playoffs in order to ware a team like Indy down but not actually beat them. So basically just make it easier for the Heat? :shrug:

 

[Axl Rose]

What? Life is all about scratching and clawing to be successful. You're asking PRO athletes to perform at a lesser level than their capable, which can hurt their LIVELYHOOD! WTF do you do? Do you own a Business? Do you hold a position of value to any company? You're asking other Professionals to tank? You're a fuckin kid, STFU!

i know players are not gonna intentionally tank(definitely not this squad)...its up to paxgar to make the roster bad enough to lose

but yes fighting for a playoff spot from my perspective is meaningless

 

[houheffna]

What? Life is all about scratching and clawing to be successful. You're asking PRO athletes to perform at a lesser level than their capable, which can hurt their LIVELYHOOD! WTF do you do? Do you own a Business? Do you hold a position of value to any company? You're asking other Professionals to tank? You're a fuckin kid, STFU!

This isn't a typical business. Its not about the athletes...its about depleting the roster to the point that the team is not competitive. But let me ask you something....

Which gets you closer to a title...

1. Playing hard, making the playoffs, winning a first round series and losing a hard fought series to Indiana/Miami.
2. Getting a shot at a top 3 pick in the upcoming draft.

Which position would you rather be in?