What's with the bias?

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If your QB has played 3 years and there is still a debate about whether he can be your franchise QB, then you already have your likely answer.

Fields is tough, humble, hard-working and well-liked and respected. He’s a leader. That doesn’t make him an elite franchise quarterback.

He has major issues scanning and processing the field. He either can’t or won’t pull the trigger on countless throws when guys break open.

He has a lot of rushing yards, and a lot of those yards came after bailing out of the pocket after he passed up on 1 or 2 open throws and scrambled instead. Those are just facts.

I don’t know if it will click for him. I hope it does because I’m a big fan of his. But Caleb is a far better and more polished prospect then he was.

I don’t think this will be a hard decision for Poles.

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Apparently If your QB passes for 4,000 yards he is a franchise QB but if he passes for 3100 + runs for 900 he is terrible and should be replaced??

There are so many that want to move on from Fields based on stats, I'd like to know why the yards gained rushing are constantly disregarded, and how many yards passing equates to "franchise" QB?

2023 Fields was projected to pass for 3,350 yds and rush for 860 yds which is 4,210 total yards over 17 games, 26 TDs (combined) & 12 INTs.

I believe a healthy Fields can be a 5K total yard QB with added weapons and new play caller, so what's with all the bias??
Because a bunch of mental midgets have been told that they should want to "do the thing" and win the off season by ESPN and local and National media who have never played professional football.

That's the most honest answer I can give you.
 

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I love JF the person and they way he embraced Chicago and the way he handled the media and the team guy he was and his athletic abilities and the way he always gave his all every time he played, but even though nobody knows if this will end up true, i just don't see how you pass on a kid in CW who many think will be a generational talent at QB in the NFL. We have to take that shot on him and hopefully put the right talent on the field around him and the right coaches and the team takes off.

I'll root for JF wherever he goes unless he's playing the Bears and will hope he becomes the guy many of us thought he was going to be for us.
Also, if we do keep Fields and trade the top pick then i'll get right back behind JF.
 

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I understand the premise.

Some people are only happy and the QB is only good if he throws for 4000. It's weird to me and I don't care how the yards are gained.
 

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This would be an ok argument if Fields had ever done what the OP is talking about.

Fact of the matter is, JF1 in each of the last 2 years has accumulated a total of around 3,300 yards. That’s passing plus rushing.

You’re going to need more than that from your franchise quarterback.
 

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Apparently If your QB passes for 4,000 yards he is a franchise QB but if he passes for 3100 + runs for 900 he is terrible and should be replaced??

There are so many that want to move on from Fields based on stats, I'd like to know why the yards gained rushing are constantly disregarded, and how many yards passing equates to "franchise" QB?

2023 Fields was projected to pass for 3,350 yds and rush for 860 yds which is 4,210 total yards over 17 games, 26 TDs (combined) & 12 INTs.

I believe a healthy Fields can be a 5K total yard QB with added weapons and new play caller, so what's with all the bias??


There is no bias. Fields' yards aren't translating to a more productive or efficient or higher scoring offense. Fantasy points don't count in real life football points and his yards aren't generating more overall points for the offense.

Cairo Santos was third in field goals made with 35. More of those should have been touchdowns by the offense which would have led to more wins.
 

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Yes he is. And anyone else at QB during that time would have been 5-33 at best. Give us Caleb Williams and 10 scrubs....Super Bowl here we come.
This just isn't true. During Fields 3 years other qbs to start for the Bears are 6-7. Just this year the backup went 2-2. The other qbs win at a higher rate than Fields on the same team.
 

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If your QB has played 3 years and there is still a debate about whether he can be your franchise QB, then you already have your likely answer.

Answer: Your team is the Bears and waited 3 years to get anything on offense. Like they waited 4 years without getting anything for the QB before that. And like they waited 3 years before doing anything for the QB before that.
Guess what happens when your #1WR is a 1K 5th rounder? You have a RB for a QB.

It doesn't matter if Fields isn't a franchise QB. What matters is we're too busy ruining this QB to move onto another QB already because some of you fans and the McCaskeys can't figure out how the game is played.

What's hilarious is I've laid out what would need to be done to get Williams and give him a chance of working out. Besides we all know the Bears, McCaskeys or Flus wouldn't go for it there's very few fans who would be behind it.
 

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Answer: Your team is the Bears and waited 3 years to get anything on offense. Like they waited 4 years without getting anything for the QB before that. And like they waited 3 years before doing anything for the QB before that.
Guess what happens when your #1WR is a 1K 5th rounder? You have a RB for a QB.

It doesn't matter if Fields isn't a franchise QB. What matters is we're too busy ruining this QB to move onto another QB already because some of you fans and the McCaskeys can't figure out how the game is played.

What's hilarious is I've laid out what would need to be done to get Williams and give him a chance of working out. Besides we all know the Bears, McCaskeys or Flus wouldn't go for it there's very few fans who would be behind it.
They have to try to get an elite QB. I think Caleb has a better chance at becoming that than Justin does.

Draft Williams and one of Nabers/Bowers/Brian Thomas.

If they get a 2nd in a Fields trade, draft Graham Barton if he falls to round 2. He’s awesome and can play anywhere on the OL. He has experience playing C. Also sign a C in FA.

That would be my plan. A good start to a plan, at the very least.
 

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I think everyone likes to forget that the poor guy had Nagy and Getsy calling plays. I mean, that in itself is a killer for him and his stats. How many damn WR screens for negative yards can be called in 1 game. I understand, he does have some issues with not pulling the trigger at times, but he has also spent most of his time in the NFL not able to properly scan and go through progressions because his OL is shit.

Those saying that this is a passing league need to look who is in the Superbowl. Is the league geared more toward passing? These days yes. But it isn't absolutely 100% needed. San Fran, who is in the Superbowl, had the fewest passing attempts of any team this season. It doesn't come down to being a passing team. It comes down to what you can do when you do pass. That is not just on the QB. That is on him, the OC, the WRs, the RBs (if receiving), and the TEs. It doesn't matter if you throw a 75 yard completion or a WR screen that goes for 75 yards. It translates into 75 passing yards. So it's everyone. And when you call a lot of screens, and teams know you are, they play it well and you don't get those yards.

On top of all that, I think Fields just hasn't been able to develop properly reading the field at the NFL level because of his OL and not having the time. Remember that year with Nagy? The OL was so bad, Fields had to start running around within 2 seconds of getting the ball. He hasn't been given the chance to learn how to scan. He doesn't have the time to let plays develop before he has to start scrambling.

I'm not ready to give up on him. I don't watch college so I don't know a lot about Caleb. I have heard good things and bad things about him. I have seen good things and bad things with Fields. It is not my choice to make. That is for Poles to decide. Whatever he chooses, I will live with and still cheer for the Bears. I will not argue one side or the other, because frankly, there isn't a damn thing I can do about it anyway. Just like everyone else on this board.
 

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I think everyone likes to forget that the poor guy had Nagy and Getsy calling plays. I mean, that in itself is a killer for him and his stats. How many damn WR screens for negative yards can be called in 1 game. I understand, he does have some issues with not pulling the trigger at times, but he has also spent most of his time in the NFL not able to properly scan and go through progressions because his OL is shit.

Those saying that this is a passing league need to look who is in the Superbowl. Is the league geared more toward passing? These days yes. But it isn't absolutely 100% needed. San Fran, who is in the Superbowl, had the fewest passing attempts of any team this season. It doesn't come down to being a passing team. It comes down to what you can do when you do pass. That is not just on the QB. That is on him, the OC, the WRs, the RBs (if receiving), and the TEs. It doesn't matter if you throw a 75 yard completion or a WR screen that goes for 75 yards. It translates into 75 passing yards. So it's everyone. And when you call a lot of screens, and teams know you are, they play it well and you don't get those yards.

On top of all that, I think Fields just hasn't been able to develop properly reading the field at the NFL level because of his OL and not having the time. Remember that year with Nagy? The OL was so bad, Fields had to start running around within 2 seconds of getting the ball. He hasn't been given the chance to learn how to scan. He doesn't have the time to let plays develop before he has to start scrambling.

I'm not ready to give up on him. I don't watch college so I don't know a lot about Caleb. I have heard good things and bad things about him. I have seen good things and bad things with Fields. It is not my choice to make. That is for Poles to decide. Whatever he chooses, I will live with and still cheer for the Bears. I will not argue one side or the other, because frankly, there isn't a damn thing I can do about it anyway. Just like everyone else on this board.


The same Nagy that’s in the Super Bowl again? The same Getsy who’s had three OC interviews now?

I mean I’m kinda shittin you here but if Nagy was so awful would Reid want him back? Would three teams have interviewed Getsy if he was really that bad? Maybe a little bit of the problem is Justin too?
 

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It will be hilarious if Getsy gets hired and runs a successful offense somewhere else.

I mean I’m really not trying to defend him. He certainly had issues. But I doubt he is as bad as Bears fans think.
 

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He came up with a legit argument. You’re defending Getsy now and that’s sad. Change your title immediately
Legit argument? I pointed out projecting isn’t the same as actually doing something.

Do you disagree?
 

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Legit argument? I pointed out projecting isn’t the same as actually doing something.

Do you disagree?
He called Kmet a “fringe player” and you disagreed. I agree with you on that but he pointed out while you’re defending Kmet you diminish the guy throwing him the ball. That part is also true and your response was………..
 

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He called Kmet a “fringe player” and you disagreed. I agree with you on that but he pointed out while you’re defending Kmet you diminish the guy throwing him the ball. That part is also true and your response was………..
How am I “diminishing” Justin?

WTF does that even mean?
 

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How am I “diminishing” Justin?

WTF does that even mean?
Did you even read what you were posting to him or what he was posting to you? I’m not quoting your entire conversation
 

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