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Why didn’t you post the 2018 evidence?
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This is the CCS mini game these morons think everyone needs to play.
Like people need to be IN or OUT on a QB. Everyone must know where you stand on a QB at all times. If you're IN and the QB has a bad game, it's YOUR FAULT AND YOU NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
I don't fucking care. I just want the Bears to stop sucking.
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Well what i saw today was him running into the back of his lineman taking sacks.
And just because you have a good offensive line and a good coach doesn't mean the QB will have it. Trey Lance proved that
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I look to the two years we went to the Playoffs without Cutler and not when we were 8-8, so this is the Super Bowl Season and 2018, Nagy's first year...
Look at how the Oline played, look who we had running the ball at the time... and look at the Defense...
I rest my case...
(Note I know the Oline in 18 wasn't a great set of players, but they had a really good year. Also helped Mitch was a great deal more Mobile than Grossman.)
But you can't deny, that we had above average EVERYTHING else, and a Rookie QB, only the one Year Cutler got to the NFC title game have we really had any really good teams.
I also want to look at Lovie Smith as a coach, he was a great coach for that time and Era in the NFL (defensive scheme-wise) . Running backs were more of a star position in the early 2000's and his defense, worked for that era. Only Elite QB's like Manning and Brady were really and problem for them and they are for most teams, even the above-average ones. What Smith failed to do, was evolve. He couldn't change with the times and get with the program of what other teams were doing. He also never got an elite Qb which hurts anyone.
Lastly, I'm going to hit home with something else I heard Alex Brown say. Stevenson, he could be a great player. But, what kind of corner is he? A press physical corner, or more man-to-man, we are running a soft Cover 2 defense. This is like putting a square peg into a round hole and saying that works. We need a Nathan Vasher-type corner for this defense, if you remember him. You through the ball and he can get to it, it was HIS. Like with Peanut, get that man in there to work on their hands. You can coach zone better than man, but he is going to take his lumps in the process. But I wonder if Flues and Poles in on the same page getting the right guys for the scheme, and sacking for upstanding citizens rather than taking the talent (IE Not talking Carter)?
Look at how the Oline played, look who we had running the ball at the time... and look at the Defense...
I rest my case...
(Note I know the Oline in 18 wasn't a great set of players, but they had a really good year. Also helped Mitch was a great deal more Mobile than Grossman.)
But you can't deny, that we had above average EVERYTHING else, and a Rookie QB, only the one Year Cutler got to the NFC title game have we really had any really good teams.
I also want to look at Lovie Smith as a coach, he was a great coach for that time and Era in the NFL (defensive scheme-wise) . Running backs were more of a star position in the early 2000's and his defense, worked for that era. Only Elite QB's like Manning and Brady were really and problem for them and they are for most teams, even the above-average ones. What Smith failed to do, was evolve. He couldn't change with the times and get with the program of what other teams were doing. He also never got an elite Qb which hurts anyone.
Lastly, I'm going to hit home with something else I heard Alex Brown say. Stevenson, he could be a great player. But, what kind of corner is he? A press physical corner, or more man-to-man, we are running a soft Cover 2 defense. This is like putting a square peg into a round hole and saying that works. We need a Nathan Vasher-type corner for this defense, if you remember him. You through the ball and he can get to it, it was HIS. Like with Peanut, get that man in there to work on their hands. You can coach zone better than man, but he is going to take his lumps in the process. But I wonder if Flues and Poles in on the same page getting the right guys for the scheme, and sacking for upstanding citizens rather than taking the talent (IE Not talking Carter)?
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Why has black shitstain derailed the thread?
Maybe if mods did their jobs.
Maybe if mods did their jobs.
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He hasn’t really derailed it
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This is actually a good question. The Bears have failed at choosing the right QB. Not a single QB that has been with bears is/ was actually good.
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oh okay, nevermind. Maybe just ban him anyway?
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LOL. Poor Craig Krenzel and Moses Moreno. If only they had Andy Reid to coach them…
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Meatball football 101
It's 2023.
You don't fail the QB by not getting stuck in the 1980's.
You think the Bears over the years have been too one dimensional in passing?
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I mean, you're talking about a 5th rounder and a 7th rounder.
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Of course you won't be taking responses. You gave sooo many posters shit for questioning Fields and you were wrong. ?
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Ok, maybe Kurt Warner ends up on that list if he screwed up and signed with the Bears... couple of guys who may have made that list went on to successful pro careeers (hall of fame), in other competitive pro leagues...kind of a nebulous chicken or the egg discussion, but cathartic on a dreadful Bears' football day!
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Lovie Smith was a great leader and a players coach who knew how to leverage strong player leaders on the team. I miss that era of football, though we should have been in the Super bowl more than once during that time. We should have been in the playoffs more than 3 times during his run. We always had a motivated and respectful team, with a lot of very entertaining characters. I think we underperformed for the talent we had, but boy was the Lovie Smith era fun to be a fan.
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Ok, I have seen a pattern of falling behind, forced into pass heavy concepts, and struggles...is that Meatball enough?
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You at least knew you had a shot with Lovie, and honestly, I go as far as we don't give him enough credit, we were in the playoff hunt more times than I think we should have been. Our QB was average at best. Maybe a few seasons you can argue if Cutler stayed Healthy...
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Well that’s part of my point…. The Bears don’t invest in the position
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Plenty of 1st round picks in that list. They'll invest the pick, and then hand that pick over to fucking losers who suck at their job.