Who are the true Blue Chip prospects in this draft?

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Any particular reason you'd like me to provide this?

Yes, so we can talk some football.

 

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Randy Mueller’s top ten players regardless of position…

Mueller was the GM for the Saints and Dolphins.

Here’s his commentary on his top ten.

“As we approach the 2024 NFL Draft, things are coming into focus from 30,000 feet and the worm’s-eye view. Here are a few thoughts on how things are shaping up for decision-makers around the league.

This draft offers plenty of options for teams with offensive needs. The defensive players at the top of this year’s pool are so limited in quality and quantity that a defensive player might not be taken in the top 10. I have only one on my list — it is otherwise dominated by quarterbacks, offensive tackles and wide receivers.

1. Caleb Williams, QB, USC​

For my money, he is the prize of the ball. He’s talented and capable of wowing evaluators at the premium position in the game. He’s an easy one to evaluate and value, two entirely different things. His selection makes sense on all fronts. Some have tried to pick his intangibles apart, but as I told some NFL scouts the other day, this talent level is rare and hard to find. Let’s not talk ourselves out of what we see on tape.

2. Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame​

I’m not looking for 6-foot-8 tackles, but this guy doesn’t play like a 6-foot-8 tackle. As a left tackle, he can bend and play with balance, and he is athletic enough to stay connected and off the ground — as a pass protector and in the run game, on the line of scrimmage and at the second level. Mike McGlinchey is another tall Notre Dame tackle who struggled at times with pad level because bending and engaging one’s lower-body strength is much harder for tall, linear frames. But Alt plays like he’s 6-5 and has enough anchor and strength in his base to be a more effective NFL player.

3. Rome Odunze, WR, Washington​

Before you say I’m nuts for putting Odunze so high, read the slight (and I mean slight) hesitations I have with the other two receivers in this group. NFL evaluators are much more critical than those outside team buildings. I have zero doubts about Odunze and his game. He can get away from tight coverage. He can run and accelerate in space. He can beat press technique at the line of scrimmage. He runs all kinds of routes and catches everything. He is also a good blocker, which will aid his team’s run game. He might not have the wow of Malik Nabers with his game-changing explosiveness, but he might be the “cleanest” of the wide receiver options.

4. Taliese Fuaga, OT, Oregon State​

This will probably surprise some people, but I think he is the second-best pass-blocking tackle in the draft. He plays right tackle, which might be the least important of the two tackle spots, but it’s a spot where top-notch players seldom become available. If you want an elite NFL tackle, you have to draft one. Fuaga (6-6, 324 pounds) blends athletic ability with strength and anchor as well as anyone. He is also consistent with his technique, hand placement and ability to control defenders in the run and pass games. Late last season, he became dominant in pass pro, and his ability to combine the above traits is trending toward a potential that is hard to match.

5. Malik Nabers, WR, LSU​

Only 20 years old, Nabers’ speed forces defenses to play differently. This is easy to identify but hard to acquire. Speed is expensive to acquire in free agency. That is why I value this player this highly. His kind of explosive athletic ability will help the run game and open things up for others in the passing game, and if used correctly, it can put opposing defenses on their heels every Sunday.

6. J.J. McCarthy, QB, Michigan​

McCarthy is one of the most polarizing evaluations for those outside NFL buildings. I can describe it like this: His traits might not be evident in his production numbers, but they show up under a microscope. As a result, many are struggling to catch up to what the NFL has known for a couple of months. The NFL is a third-down league, and nobody had better numbers on the money down than McCarthy. He also has displayed physical arm strength and accuracy, just not in the volume the other top quarterback prospects have compiled. It’s not a reach to consider him a top-five option because of the obvious positional value and the actual talent of a typical top-15 NFL QB upon entering the league.

7. Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU​

You could easily talk me into reversing McCarthy and Daniels depending on the scheme and how it fits with each player’s strengths. Daniels has a bigger body of work, fought through more ups and downs (having transferred from a downtrodden Arizona State program) and has more experience in his back pocket. I like his athletic ability, but he can also make all of the necessary NFL throws. His comp is C.J. Stroud, although the ball doesn’t come out as quickly and cleanly. With McCarthy and Daniels, I assigned a grade that would normally equate to a mid-first-round value. They will go higher because, as we said, this draft lacks elite quality at other positions and teams are willing to stretch value to fill a need.

8. Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State​

Before you start yelling at me for having Harrison at No. 8, as with the two quarterbacks above, I see all three of these wide receivers as almost interchangeable depending on a team’s need at a particular skill set. I fully expect all three to be drafted in the top eight, and Harrison might even be the first receiver to go. I get it. But I have a slight hesitation with his game versus press coverage and when he has to put his foot in the ground to separate from tight man-to-man coverage. If you like Drake London, you’ll love Harrison. Still, teams might have these three ranked in a different order. All three are talented and will be good pros. It’s just a matter of what style floats your boat.

9. Laiatu Latu, edge, UCLA​

The ability to rush the passer is the No. 1 skill NFL teams look to acquire in today’s game. And there are a couple of guys to pick from at the top of this year’s draft class. Although Latu comes with a bit of a medical concern (he medically retired from the game in the spring of 2021 because of a neck injury before being cleared and returning a year later), his ability to turn the corner and close on the quarterback is hard to find. If he can keep his weight in the 250- to 260-pound range, he can set the edge versus the run with enough force to be a three-down player. The only question is fitting him with the scheme in which his style of play can produce. Adding front-seven players on defense is always about fit, but his natural bend and pass-rush toolbox allow him to bring value at almost any edge position, no matter the base alignment.

10. Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia​

In an ideal world, considering a tight end in the top 10 might sound absurd inside an NFL building. Fans are often for it, but normally the value isn’t there for NFL decision-makers. It’s just the nature of the position. “The greatest tight end is still a tight end,” some say, with limited impact on a game, and to use a first-round pick on one isn’t always great value.

But if these two boxes can be checked, it’s worth considering: (1) Can he get open on his own without having to be schemed open? (2) Can he, at the same time, be an asset to the running game?

Bowers can do both, and his selection this high would be anything but absurd. He is a productive option on third downs from a matchup standpoint and in the red zone versus man and zone coverage. He has a great feel for spatial awareness and finding soft spots (Travis Kelcemight be the best at this ever) and for that reason can act as a third WR and chain-mover for any offense.”

Link to The Athletic:

Randy Mueller's top 10 players in the draft: A surprise pick at WR1 and moreAn NFL Draft top 10 that breaks the mold: How Randy Mueller values the best prospects

 

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There was a segment on Jared Verse on Path to the Draft. He’s another impressive young guy. He has a no nonsense attitude and says nobody will outwork him.

DJ and Bucky Brooks said he’s just plain rugged. He’s the kind of guy that makes your team tougher and sets a tone up front.

He fits the profile that Flus and Poles describe when they talk about edge players.

He’s long, tough, physical, and explosive.

No doubt, he’d look good across from Sweat.

 

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Brock Bowers one of my blue chip talents will be featured and interviewed on Path to the Draft today at 5:00 pm Central on the NFL Network.

@HeHateMe

There are a ton of holy shit plays on this reel.

There are a number of highlights of him making plays outside the numbers too.

 

[HeHateMe]

Brock Bowers one of my blue chip talents will be featured and interviewed on Path to the Draft today at 5:00 pm Central on the NFL Network.

@HeHateMe

There are a ton of holy shit plays on this reel.

There are a number of highlights of him making plays outside the numbers too.

He looks so TINY tho

 

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He looks so TINY tho

Watch the play at 3:08. The acceleration is crazy. He’s even then he’s leaving.

Pretty cool…

 

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Does anyone else want to add to this list before the draft?

 

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In 1965 the Bears had two top ten picks. They had the same situation in 1979.

The picks:

Dick Butkus
Gale Sayers
Dan Hampton
Al Harris

Three of those guys are in the HOF. Harris was a damn good football player.

Stay at 9 and pick a stud or trade up. Get the best player possible with this unique opportunity

This belongs in this thread too.

 

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Brock Bowers one of my blue chip talents will be featured and interviewed on Path to the Draft today at 5:00 pm Central on the NFL Network.

@HeHateMe

There are a ton of holy shit plays on this reel.

There are a number of highlights of him making plays outside the numbers too.

How anyone(fatboi daniel) can see this and not be impressed is beyond me.

How anyone can also see this and think we're "good at TE" is also beyond me.

Dude is arguably the best weapon in the draft. Like you said, a good portion of that reel is from the slot/outside. He's basically a big WR

 

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How anyone(fatboi daniel) can see this and not be impressed is beyond me.

How anyone can also see this and think we're "good at TE" is also beyond me.

Dude is arguably the best weapon in the draft. Like you said, a good portion of that reel is from the slot/outside. He's basically a big WR

It’s crazy how some people see TE behind his name but don’t look at what he actually does on the field.

The proof is all over You Tube. It’s not that hard.

 

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They drafted two of my guys. Odunze at 9 is just plain sick!

 

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Harrison, Odunze, Nabers Breakdown by Ted Nguyen of The Athletic

This article is full of excellent content and breaks down the strengths and weaknesses of the top 3 (blue chip tier) receivers in this draft class. I’ll give the final overview for each in the order he ranks them.

“Harrison

Overview: If you play man against him, he will win. If you play zone against him and give him a runway, good luck. Rarely do you see a college receiver command as much attention from defenses as Harrison did. He got the Calvin Johnson treatment in some games with two defenders dedicated especially to him in the red zone.

He’ll command extra attention from defenses the moment he steps on an NFL field. He’s a freak combination of size and speed and he does everything well. His use in the slot in 2023 is intriguing. He can run a wide array of routes and he knows how to find holes in zones, so playing slot is yet another skill he’ll bring to the table. The best comparison that I’ve seen for him is Larry Fitzgerald and he moved to the slot later in his career. Obviously, he’ll be a force on the outside as well. Harrison will dominate whatever he’s asked to do.

Don’t overthink it: Harrison is far and away the top receiver in this strong class.

Odunze

Overview: There simply haven’t been many receiver prospects as well-rounded as Odunze that I have seen. He has very good size (6-2, 212 pounds), good speed (4.45 40), and elite route running and contested-catch ability. Though he played primarily outside, he has the feel to play in the slot as well. He’s ready to be the No. 1 receiver for the team that drafts him.

Nabers

Overview: Nabers’ average play strength and inconsistency in beating press coverage likely will limit him to playing primarily in the slot or in an offense that utilizes a lot of compressed formations and motion like the Dolphins to get him clean releases. Despite not being a true X (outside) receiver, he can absolutely be a dominant No. 1 receiver in the right offense and right now, many teams run the type of scheme in which Nabers can be successful.

If he can improve his technique against press and add nuance to his route running, his ceiling is sky-high. Nabers’ combination of elite speed, adequate size and strong hands will make him a productive player, but to become an elite receiver, he has a steeper learning curve than Harrison and Odunze, who are much more refined.”

Link to the rest…

Marvin Harrison Jr., Malik Nabers or Rome Odunze? Stacking NFL Draft's top 3 WRsMarvin Harrison Jr., Malik Nabers or Rome Odunze? Stacking NFL Draft's top 3 WRs

@Black Rainbow

I’m not sure how this guy missed the TE comp.

You were invited into this thread pre-draft to give your opinion and didn’t participate because you don’t have a clue.

 

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Dane Brugler of The Athletic announced his elite tier guys. He calls them Purple Chips.

There are six this year.

Caleb Williams
Malik Nabers
Joe Alt
MHJ
Drake Maye
Rome Odunze

I’m not sure why Brugler the author of “The Beast” didn’t consult with @Black Rainbow?

 

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Randy Mueller’s top ten players regardless of position…

Mueller was the GM for the Saints and Dolphins.

Here’s his commentary on his top ten.

“As we approach the 2024 NFL Draft, things are coming into focus from 30,000 feet and the worm’s-eye view. Here are a few thoughts on how things are shaping up for decision-makers around the league.

This draft offers plenty of options for teams with offensive needs. The defensive players at the top of this year’s pool are so limited in quality and quantity that a defensive player might not be taken in the top 10. I have only one on my list — it is otherwise dominated by quarterbacks, offensive tackles and wide receivers.

1. Caleb Williams, QB, USC​

For my money, he is the prize of the ball. He’s talented and capable of wowing evaluators at the premium position in the game. He’s an easy one to evaluate and value, two entirely different things. His selection makes sense on all fronts. Some have tried to pick his intangibles apart, but as I told some NFL scouts the other day, this talent level is rare and hard to find. Let’s not talk ourselves out of what we see on tape.

2. Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame​

I’m not looking for 6-foot-8 tackles, but this guy doesn’t play like a 6-foot-8 tackle. As a left tackle, he can bend and play with balance, and he is athletic enough to stay connected and off the ground — as a pass protector and in the run game, on the line of scrimmage and at the second level. Mike McGlinchey is another tall Notre Dame tackle who struggled at times with pad level because bending and engaging one’s lower-body strength is much harder for tall, linear frames. But Alt plays like he’s 6-5 and has enough anchor and strength in his base to be a more effective NFL player.

3. Rome Odunze, WR, Washington​

Before you say I’m nuts for putting Odunze so high, read the slight (and I mean slight) hesitations I have with the other two receivers in this group. NFL evaluators are much more critical than those outside team buildings. I have zero doubts about Odunze and his game. He can get away from tight coverage. He can run and accelerate in space. He can beat press technique at the line of scrimmage. He runs all kinds of routes and catches everything. He is also a good blocker, which will aid his team’s run game. He might not have the wow of Malik Nabers with his game-changing explosiveness, but he might be the “cleanest” of the wide receiver options.

4. Taliese Fuaga, OT, Oregon State​

This will probably surprise some people, but I think he is the second-best pass-blocking tackle in the draft. He plays right tackle, which might be the least important of the two tackle spots, but it’s a spot where top-notch players seldom become available. If you want an elite NFL tackle, you have to draft one. Fuaga (6-6, 324 pounds) blends athletic ability with strength and anchor as well as anyone. He is also consistent with his technique, hand placement and ability to control defenders in the run and pass games. Late last season, he became dominant in pass pro, and his ability to combine the above traits is trending toward a potential that is hard to match.

5. Malik Nabers, WR, LSU​

Only 20 years old, Nabers’ speed forces defenses to play differently. This is easy to identify but hard to acquire. Speed is expensive to acquire in free agency. That is why I value this player this highly. His kind of explosive athletic ability will help the run game and open things up for others in the passing game, and if used correctly, it can put opposing defenses on their heels every Sunday.

6. J.J. McCarthy, QB, Michigan​

McCarthy is one of the most polarizing evaluations for those outside NFL buildings. I can describe it like this: His traits might not be evident in his production numbers, but they show up under a microscope. As a result, many are struggling to catch up to what the NFL has known for a couple of months. The NFL is a third-down league, and nobody had better numbers on the money down than McCarthy. He also has displayed physical arm strength and accuracy, just not in the volume the other top quarterback prospects have compiled. It’s not a reach to consider him a top-five option because of the obvious positional value and the actual talent of a typical top-15 NFL QB upon entering the league.

7. Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU​

You could easily talk me into reversing McCarthy and Daniels depending on the scheme and how it fits with each player’s strengths. Daniels has a bigger body of work, fought through more ups and downs (having transferred from a downtrodden Arizona State program) and has more experience in his back pocket. I like his athletic ability, but he can also make all of the necessary NFL throws. His comp is C.J. Stroud, although the ball doesn’t come out as quickly and cleanly. With McCarthy and Daniels, I assigned a grade that would normally equate to a mid-first-round value. They will go higher because, as we said, this draft lacks elite quality at other positions and teams are willing to stretch value to fill a need.

8. Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State​

Before you start yelling at me for having Harrison at No. 8, as with the two quarterbacks above, I see all three of these wide receivers as almost interchangeable depending on a team’s need at a particular skill set. I fully expect all three to be drafted in the top eight, and Harrison might even be the first receiver to go. I get it. But I have a slight hesitation with his game versus press coverage and when he has to put his foot in the ground to separate from tight man-to-man coverage. If you like Drake London, you’ll love Harrison. Still, teams might have these three ranked in a different order. All three are talented and will be good pros. It’s just a matter of what style floats your boat.

9. Laiatu Latu, edge, UCLA​

The ability to rush the passer is the No. 1 skill NFL teams look to acquire in today’s game. And there are a couple of guys to pick from at the top of this year’s draft class. Although Latu comes with a bit of a medical concern (he medically retired from the game in the spring of 2021 because of a neck injury before being cleared and returning a year later), his ability to turn the corner and close on the quarterback is hard to find. If he can keep his weight in the 250- to 260-pound range, he can set the edge versus the run with enough force to be a three-down player. The only question is fitting him with the scheme in which his style of play can produce. Adding front-seven players on defense is always about fit, but his natural bend and pass-rush toolbox allow him to bring value at almost any edge position, no matter the base alignment.

10. Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia​

In an ideal world, considering a tight end in the top 10 might sound absurd inside an NFL building. Fans are often for it, but normally the value isn’t there for NFL decision-makers. It’s just the nature of the position. “The greatest tight end is still a tight end,” some say, with limited impact on a game, and to use a first-round pick on one isn’t always great value.

But if these two boxes can be checked, it’s worth considering: (1) Can he get open on his own without having to be schemed open? (2) Can he, at the same time, be an asset to the running game?

Bowers can do both, and his selection this high would be anything but absurd. He is a productive option on third downs from a matchup standpoint and in the red zone versus man and zone coverage. He has a great feel for spatial awareness and finding soft spots (Travis Kelcemight be the best at this ever) and for that reason can act as a third WR and chain-mover for any offense.”

Link to The Athletic:

Randy Mueller's top 10 players in the draft: A surprise pick at WR1 and moreAn NFL Draft top 10 that breaks the mold: How Randy Mueller values the best prospects

@Black Rainbow, how was this guy hired as a GM by two different NFL franchises? He has no idea Odunze is a TE.

 

[Black Rainbow]

@Black Rainbow, how was this guy hired as a GM by two different NFL franchises? He has no idea Odunze is a TE.

I don't need to see draft grades.

Are you in, or are you out on "cement shoes?."

HMFIC

 

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I don't need to see draft grades.

Are you in, or are you out on "cement shoes?."

HMFIC

You’re the HMFIC of cleaning latrines or making license plates?

 

[Black Rainbow]

You’re the HMFIC of cleaning latrines or making license plates?

In or out?

 

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In or out?

You were asked several times what would be the criteria for any bet? You’ve never provided an answer.

I’m not betting on anything that would involve your judgement of a pro football player.

I have to say that HMFIC shit is hilarious. You’re a fucking felon. What are you in charge of, the dishwashing station at a bad chain restaurant?

 

[Black Rainbow]

You were asked several times what would be the criteria for any bet? You’ve never provided an answer.

I’m not betting on anything that would involve your judgement of a pro football player.

I have to say that HMFIC shit is hilarious. You’re a fucking felon. What are you in charge of, the dishwashing station at a bad chain restaurant?

Over 900 yards and 8 TDs?

 

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Over 900 yards and 8 TDs?

This is why you’re laughable. TDs tend to be an extremely random stat for WRs.

DJ Moore had 8 TDs for the first time in his career last season.

Rome will start out as WR3 because of Allen and Moore. Kmet and Everett will get targets too. It’s no indictment of Odunze, it’s just a fact. Caleb is a rookie QB and will have growing pains.

Rashee Rice played with Mahomes and was the number 2 target for KC and barely cracked 900 yards with 7 TDs.

Plus, injuries can alter everything too.

Odunze is going to be an exceptional NFL talent and you’ll continue to be a pessimistic loser at the bottom rung of society.

Every village needs an idiot. You and the moronic fake fan of the Lions fill out that function nicely.

You’ve had your 15 minutes of public humiliation. I suggest you take time to learn the nuances of the game so you’re not on here making ridiculous pronouncements about elite NFL prospects.