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FG% in itself defines whether or not you are an efficient scorer?
So you are going to ignore Martin's very high 3-pt and FT percentages because he shoots about 45% from two point range.
Who still thinks CHI should have traded Deng & Noah & a pick for Carmelo Anthony?
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FG% in itself defines whether or not you are an efficient scorer?
So you are going to ignore Martin's very high 3-pt and FT percentages because he shoots about 45% from two point range.
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IMO it's one of the largest determining factors.
The fact that he's shoots such a high percentage from 3 and still a low % overall is more of an idictment of him as a true scorer than proof of it.
For example, Melo shoots nearly 6% below Martin from 3 but still shoots 1-2% higher than him overall for a career.
I've never liked or been really impressed with Martin's game. It's very "bleh" and doesn't stand out at all.
Bringing Martin up was awful.
Can we please quit discussing him.
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I will bring this up and then we can stop discussing it if you still want to.
Martin scores 6+ ppg shooting three's (very efficiently)
Martin scores 7-8 ppg shooting FT's (very efficiently)
Martin scores 8-10 points shooting two's (below the league average shooting two's but right along pace, and slightly better than the average 2-guard)
How is that not efficient?
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Of course Anthony is a great player. The question is 'should Anthony be given automatic status as "elite"?'
Martin's great scoring can't help him from being lesser than a lot of players who are pretty mediocre-to-below average scorers like Rondo for instance.
Anthony might be a greater scorer than LeBron and Wade (somewhat arguable). But he is obviously a lesser player than LeBron and Wade. That was my point in bringing it up.
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Thank God.
Ok. So he's Steve Kerr
Steve Kerr
Bingo.
You can "break it down" all you want but trying to tell me that a guy that has had trouble shooting over 43% from the field overall for the last 3 seasons is an "efficient" NBA scorer is asinine and needs to end.
Allen Iverson was an fantastic high volume scorer but ridicuously inefficient.
Martin is a lamers, less dyanmic, less skilled, and worse player than Allen Iverson. He's not efficient.
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Wow... Steve Kerr never scored 6+ ppg off of three's.
Kerr never scored SEVEN-EIGHT ppg off of FREE THROWS!
And way to completely ignore the fact that Martin shoots slightly better from the field than the average two guard at two's and still manages to get them in a high volume.
This is a classic case of distorting facts and taking my post out-of-context.
Kerr never scored SEVEN-EIGHT ppg off of FREE THROWS!
And way to completely ignore the fact that Martin shoots slightly better from the field than the average two guard at two's and still manages to get them in a high volume.
This is a classic case of distorting facts and taking my post out-of-context.
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You seriosuly can't be this clueless.
Think about it again.
Yet he's still outshot from the field tby players that shoot well below average from 3! and below average from the FT line!
ZOMG!
All hail Kevin Martin!
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FT originally started this argument by calling me a fool because I didn't automatically label Anthony as an undisputed elite player. That is what I am referring to.
It doesn't. Why say that?
Basketball is about more than throwing together great players. There are 5 players to a team on the court at once and the Heat did not complement each other well enough to roll to a title uncontested.
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You seriosuly can't be this clueless.
Think about it again.
That was your response to my post. Don't blame me for it.
Kerr could never get away with shooting 6 3PA per-game. The defense would be all over him considering that is all he can do offensively. That is not the case with Martin. If Kerr shot a lot of three's, his percentage would have been terrible from out there.
Most of those players are PFs and Cs. Martin shoots typically low-percentage, well-contested shots and still out-shoots most players at the SG position. That is pretty damn good.
Not to mention the 8 FTs he draws per-game.
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And my response stays the same. It's not changing.
I'm telling you to think harder.
The issue isn't my response. It's your cognitive skills.
Huzzah!
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Once again, going after my intelligence even though you completely ignored the point of my post and are stubbornly sticking by your belief that Martin is inefficient as a scorer- even though you are very wrong in that belief.
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Okay, thanks for the cheap shot.
Q: Does me saying, 'Melo is not necessarily elite' make me a moron by default?
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Sorry you weren't able to understand the point of mine.
I'm absolutely not. You telling me Martin takes low percentage shots actually proves my point. Him "scoring more than other SG's" isn't an issue because I never questioned him as a volume scorer in general. I questioned his effiencency at doing so.
Keep trying.
It's like you've morphed into RamiTheBullsTard in a matter of posts.
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Martin takes TYPICALLY low-percentage 2 point shots and makes them at an average-to-above average rate for his position.
That proves he is not inefficient as a 2-pt scorer. It means he is sufficient as a 2-pt scorer.
Not to mention, the extremely efficient 13-14 pts he scores from three or the line.
That proves he is not inefficient as a 2-pt scorer. It means he is sufficient as a 2-pt scorer.
Not to mention, the extremely efficient 13-14 pts he scores from three or the line.
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So in the 90's there were NO ELITE PLAYERS??? Jordan was undisputed as the king of the hill...
So Malone, Barkley, Olajuwon...those weren't elite players? They had no valid case for best player on the planet...but they weren't elite?
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Yeah he shoots above average at everything.....but somehow ends up shooting a measely 41-43% overall
Hooray for effiecency!
Martin is not an effiecient scorer.
I thought you said we were done talking about this terrible bag of ass SG
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No. I said that's how it starts out. And then I went onto say it continues into the players that can definitely lead a team to a title. Don't take my posts out of context.
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He "somehow" ends up at that "measley" percentage because that percentage accounts for how efficient he is shooting his three-point attempts, which you are conveniently ignoring altogether.
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