Why did Ryan Poles and Ben Johnson draft two slot receivers with the first two picks?

[Toast88]

Did you ever answer this question? Or continue to dance around the very direct question asked

Looking through the thread you’re commenting on:

10 is too high for most of those guys, unless the Bears team in question is just really big on them. And I’m not drafting a guard at 10 unless he’s for sure a game changer.

If there’s not a trade partner back, probably going pass rusher or interior defense there. Someone like a Nolen or Williams. Wouldn’t have hated a Shemar Stewart pick there, even though I’m not usually a fan of drafting based on potential vs production.

Depends who’s next on your board at your premium positions that are important to the long-term health of your franchise. But that’s probably what I’d be thinking in that position.

“This pick seems like a luxury when there are so many glaring holes” resulted in 9+ pages in which almost no one is defending the player picked.

 

[destiny begins]

I‘m about to heavily speculate here, but if I were to guess I’d say Kmet doesn’t fit what BJ wants to do with his TE and Burden just had a super high grade on the Bears board and they felt they couldn’t pass on him. There’s also an outside shot BJ thinks Rome or DJ don’t fit into what he wants. And if I had to pick I’d guess Rome.

With how excited they were to get LB3, I'd say Moore is the guy they're souring on. I can't imagine they're liking last year's tape all that much, and DJ is under contract but older and expensive. Rome is a little more unique whereas LB3 kinda resembles DJ a lot. I think next year's draft will tell us a lot about how much BJ values Moore versus Rome.

But yeah, I don't think BJ is that high up on Kmet. I still love the guy and believe he's top 10, but I don't think the new coaching is of the same mind. And Loveland will probably fit better to what BJ is cooking up. Though the Loveland pick's true best value is if we can get as much as we can from both TEs while we have them.

 

[EDPeezy]

I doubt it’s either and they just really liked Burden. It’s on the table though, so I felt I had to throw it out there.

 

[modo]

Looking through the thread you’re commenting on:



“This pick seems like a luxury when there are so many glaring holes” resulted in 9+ pages in which almost no one is defending the player picked.

I’ve been record loving the LB3 pick.

I don’t know enough about Loveland. But he looks the part.

 

[playthrough2001]

How the **** would we know if anybody is right or wrong before any of these guys have played a single fucking snap in the league? Lmfao

If he’s “right” he’ll be bumping this thread. Are you new here?

 

[destiny begins]

I doubt it’s either and they just really liked Burden. It’s on the table though, so I felt I had to throw it out there.

I'm just bored so more musing lol.

But it's definitely interesting how the first 2 picks were TE and WR where both could theoretically replace our current 1s. It's why some are pissed because those spots weren't needs for this season, but what about 2027? 2028?

If we're talking that then the old guys picked by the old guys are going to be in the hot seat with a new admin, and you gotta wonder how much that factors in to their draft strategy.

 

[Myk]

I'm just bored so more musing lol.

But it's definitely interesting how the first 2 picks were TE and WR where both could theoretically replace our current 1s. It's why some are pissed because those spots weren't needs for this season, but what about 2027? 2028?

If we're talking that then the old guys picked by the old guys are going to be in the hot seat with a new admin, and you gotta wonder how much that factors in to their draft strategy.

At least from a Bears fan perspective it seems legit. I doubt we ride off into the sunset with the #1 QB, #10 TE, #43 TE, #24 WR, #9 WR and a #39 WR. I imagine it would be nice but that seems like a lot of talent picks all for offensive weapons.

And if we're letting BJ play GM and get rid of all the players he didn't pick that's a bigger problem than GMs doing it.

 

[destiny begins]

At least from a Bears fan perspective it seems legit. I doubt we ride off into the sunset with the #1 QB, #10 TE, #43 TE, #24 WR, #9 WR and a #39 WR. I imagine it would be nice but that seems like a lot of talent picks all for offensive weapons.

And if we're letting BJ play GM and get rid of all the players he didn't pick that's a bigger problem than GMs doing it.

Eh, it happens all the time and in every sport when a new staff is brought in. BJ and crew probably have 3-5 year plans in set, and this is the first draft class they fully control, and this draft class has huge implications for year 2/3 when it comes to renegotiating some contracts...

It didn't work out that well with the Chicago Bulls in recent years but maybe Bears will fare better! I'll trust the process for a year or two.

 

[Toast88]

If he’s “right” he’ll be bumping this thread. Are you new here?

I literally said in the OP that I could be wrong. Y’all are obsessed.

Nothing I’ve said in this thread has been outlandish.

No rage.
No calling for firings.
No saying this was definitely the wrong call.
No saying Loveland sucks.

Yet look at all the people losing their minds.

One person told me to kill myself.
Another told me to go **** myself.

All for saying I’m not sure I’m psyched about the pick when there are other needs.

Notice what most people AREN’T doing: Talking about the actual player.

CCS is an asylum.

 

[playthrough2001]

I literally said in the OP that I could be wrong. Y’all are obsessed.

Nothing I’ve said in this thread has been outlandish.

No rage.
No calling for firings.
No saying this was definitely the wrong call.
No saying Loveland sucks.

Yet look at all the people losing their minds.

One person told me to kill myself.
Another told me to go **** myself.

All for saying I’m not sure I’m psyched about the pick when there are other needs.

Notice what most people AREN’T doing: Talking about the actual player.

CCS is an asylum.

I was responding to someone that directly quoted me. You seem obsessed with my answer.

I’m sorry people are suggesting you should kill yourself. That seems harsh Toast.

Regarding the player, he can be utilized in 00, 01, 02, 11, 12, 13, 20, 21, 22, and 23. Because he can play as a TE or a big receiver he gives Johnson incredible flexibility to find mismatches for him.

He’s an excellent route runner that separates and is a real tough cover for LBs. He’s can wall off Nickels if he’s a big slot.

 

[Les Grossman]

Same.

Was happy they got a 3-tech type on day 2. Genuine need and he can plat end in this D as well.

I don’t think Shemar is a true DT though. He’s a tweener/hybrid DE/DT.

 

[TL1961]

I literally said in the OP that I could be wrong. Y’all are obsessed.

Nothing I’ve said in this thread has been outlandish.

No rage.
No calling for firings.
No saying this was definitely the wrong call.
No saying Loveland sucks.

Yet look at all the people losing their minds.

One person told me to kill myself.
Another told me to go **** myself.

All for saying I’m not sure I’m psyched about the pick when there are other needs.

Notice what most people AREN’T doing: Talking about the actual player.

CCS is an asylum.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything related to your rantings for the same reason I am not trying to convince a flat earther that the earth is round.

It's not because I don't believe it's round.

 

[TL1961]

I was responding to someone that directly quoted me. You seem obsessed with my answer.

I’m sorry people are suggesting you should kill yourself. That seems harsh Toast.

Regarding the player, he can be utilized in 00, 01, 02, 11, 12, 13, 20, 21, 22, and 23. Because he can play as a TE or a big receiver he gives Johnson incredible flexibility to find mismatches for him.

He’s an excellent route runner that separates and is a real tough cover for LBs. He’s can wall off Nickels if he’s a big slot.

He's a tough Cover for Luther Burden? (Didn't you get the memo that we're abbreviating names now? )

 

[Toast88]

I'm not trying to convince you of anything related to your rantings for the same reason I am not trying to convince a flat earther that the earth is round.

It's not because I don't believe it's round.

So there’s no legitimate reason not to be psyched about the Loveland pick? He’s just that much of a sure thing to you?

Not loving the Loveland pick = Believing the Earth is flat? Yikes.

BTW, my “rantings”? My dude, read through the thread. I’m actually the calm one.

 

[Toast88]

Me: “I’m not super psyched about taking another tight end at #10 when there’s so many other needs. Hope I’m wrong.”

Everyone in this thread: “So you’re saying you’re an idiot who thinks he’s as good as an NFL exec and believes the world is flat!”


What is up with you people?

 

[Username]

Oh this is easy. Johnson wants to do his own tank so he can draft Archie Manning.

 

[thenewguy]

This thread is giving major Biff vibes.

 

[Toast88]

This thread is giving major Biff vibes.

Be nice if someone in this thread talked about the player.

 

[--CyBear--]

I don’t think Shemar is a true DT though. He’s a tweener/hybrid DE/DT.

I agree but I've been pining for a penetrating 3-tech type and he fits for me.

 

[discplayer]

If this backup TE ends up better than a starting lineman (who is much needed), I’ll gladly eat my words.

When are you going to stop giving the crappy GM for a losing franchise the benefit of the doubt.

Most Bears drafts are bad. There’s nothing to indicate this one won’t be either.

Loveland is the reach. Would rather have a starting lineman.

Man, is you're refrain a tired one. When are you going to stop being a wet blanket and unsubstantiated critic?

So Loveland is a guaranteed backup, but whichever OT they reached mightily for at #10 was a guaranteed starter? Ersery is as raw as the OT we eventually DID take, at #56!

And if you're implying they should have taken a G instead, at #10, they would not have started, either. We have established starters at all 3 interior slots.

Dude, give your schtick a rest