Why is Jerry Reinsdorf still owner of the Bulls?

[houheffna]

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Have the Bulls tried to get big names? Yes. Is it Reinsdorf's fault that big name free-agents do not want to come here because of the FO fiasco during the 90's? Possibly.

I don't think Lebron an Supaman care about the 1990's. I don't think they give a damn...if they did, wouldn't they go to Charlotte???

 

[nickofypres]

He still owns the Bulls because he hasn't sold them.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

The taxes suck in chicago

The weather sucks in chicago

The headband rule sucks on the bulls

Why would lebron choose this over floridas lower taxes, paradise type weather and championship management that getes things done?
Lebron made the right decision.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Probably because I'm not Special person, unlike yourself?
So what if I'm FirstTimer.
Everyone knows that here.
Besides, I'm unbannable so I can do what ever I want.
I'm not scared of Rush.
You mad?

I'm not mad at you brother.

Thanks for finally admitting that your FirstTimer.

Don't you feel better now, like a weight has been lifted from your shoulders ?

You have just taken your first step into a larger world.

Good for you.......... I salute ya....

 

[97Bulls]

I think i need to clarify my original post. Im not knocking Reinsdorf for tying to make a profit, or having a favorite team, etc. But he has a fiduciary duty to not only the fans but also the NBA. If i was the Commisioner of the NBA and i heard that id initiate proceedings to force him to step down as Owner of the Bulls. Thats not a good light for the fans of Chicago. Who wants to get behind a guy thats half assing running the team and is only concerned with the bottom line? You guys do.

Mark my words. The Bulls will never attract a legit FA as long as Rinsdorf is running that team cuz he clearly made it known hes not commited.

Im not saying go out and sign anybody for the sake of signing, but damn at some point youre gonna have to go way over the cap if youre serious about winning. The fans of the Bulls give their full support why is that not reciprocated? And im sick of hearing the slame excuse that theyve tried to get player X but....... the question needs to be why are thes big names refusing to wanna come here? Id think you guys would be sick and tired of having to rebuild every 2-3 years. My god how many good players have the Bulls let go cuz they didnt want to pay them?
They let them go under the guise theyre gonna save money, get some high draaft picks, and sign a big name FA.
Its like herding cattle. They tell you guys something and you follow it.


At some point, when do you say enough is enough? Stop supporting this team, by allowing them to turn record profits and theyll become more determined to do what it takes to bring us in. And i dont mean turn your back on them. But use the internet, or news paper, follow them from a far so to speak. Make them earn your support.

 

[97Bulls]

Heres a list of some of the players the Bulls have chosen to let go of in an efforst to save money and rebuild.



Elton Brand

Jamal Crawford

Ron Artest

Ben Gordon

Tyson Chandler

Andres Nocioni

Thabo Sefalosha

Tyrus Thomas

John Salmons

Shannon Brown

Omer Asik

Kyle Korver

Ronnie Brewer

CJ Watson


All very good player some are staples for their team. At any point over the last 10+ years, the Bulls have had at least four of the players on that list at the same time and opted to let them go or trade them to save money and rebuild. And i wouldnt be surpirsed if the Bulls were to go into full rebuild mose and trade Deng and Noah for picks and salary and go into full rebuild and dangle another "two year plan" in front of the faces of the fans.

Theyll keep doing this as long as you guys allow it.

 

[97Bulls]

And one more thing. People keep saying that the Bulls let these players go cuz they dont want to overpay them. If im not mistaken, Ben Gordon was asking for 10 mill and got close to that with the pistons. Thats not overpaying, thats his market value. The same goes for all the players theyve let go, crawford? Chandler?

Theyre gonna have to go way over the cap to compete. They dont want to do it.

 

[houheffna]

Heres a list of some of the players the Bulls have chosen to let go of in an efforst to save money and rebuild.



Elton Brand

Jamal Crawford

Ron Artest

Ben Gordon

Tyson Chandler

Andres Nocioni

Thabo Sefalosha

Tyrus Thomas

John Salmons

Shannon Brown

Omer Asik

Kyle Korver

Ronnie Brewer

CJ Watson


All very good player some are staples for their team. At any point over the last 10+ years, the Bulls have had at least four of the players on that list at the same time and opted to let them go or trade them to save money and rebuild. And i wouldnt be surpirsed if the Bulls were to go into full rebuild mose and trade Deng and Noah for picks and salary and go into full rebuild and dangle another "two year plan" in front of the faces of the fans.

Theyll keep doing this as long as you guys allow it.

Which one of these players is a "staple of an organization"? You made a point...then pissed all over it. You've just shown what the problem is. If you are a Bulls fan...you just put up a list of players, most who have been overpaid in their careers as some type of evidence that the Bulls let really good players go...lol. Doesn't make sense.

And then you make these sweeping generalizations as to why they were let go. Money was not always the reason. For example, you think they let Chandler go...because they were cheap? C'mon dude, do your homework.

 

[97Bulls]

Tyson Chandler is. Ron Artest was with Indy as was Elton Brand with the Clippers.


My basic theme is they get these players, groom them, allow them to improve and get everryone excited. Then when its time to go to the next level, they dump them.

And i dont care wh they let them go. They just let them go. And for what? More project to groom, let them get better, then replace them for cheaper players to save money.

And you claim theyre over payed? Whats the going rate for a player of Ben Gordons caliber. List some names and their contracts

 

[nwfisch]

Tyson Chandler is. Ron Artest was with Indy as was Elton Brand with the Clippers.


My basic theme is they get these players, groom them, allow them to improve and get everryone excited. Then when its time to go to the next level, they dump them.

And i dont care wh they let them go. They just let them go. And for what? More project to groom, let them get better, then replace them for cheaper players to save money.

And you claim theyre over payed? Whats the going rate for a player of Ben Gordons caliber. List some names and their contracts

Elton Brand just got amnestied.

Gordon got traded to basketball hell because of his salary, and is reunited with Tyrus Thomas.

Artest's salary is partially holding the Lakers back from pursuing Howard.

Hell, the whole "Bench mob" was let go because they were paid too much. $10M for 2 players who are one dimensional is too much when a lottery pick can be had at that price.

None of the players that the Bulls have "left go" are a second scoring option on a title team.

If the Bulls are so cheap, why did they extend Deng, Noah, Rose, and spend big on Boozer?

 

[houheffna]

Tyson Chandler is. Ron Artest was with Indy as was Elton Brand with the Clippers.


My basic theme is they get these players, groom them, allow them to improve and get everryone excited. Then when its time to go to the next level, they dump them.

And i dont care wh they let them go. They just let them go. And for what? More project to groom, let them get better, then replace them for cheaper players to save money.

And you claim theyre over payed? Whats the going rate for a player of Ben Gordons caliber. List some names and their contracts

What is Gordon's caliber at this point? I remember arguing with people that he wasn't as good a player as Monta Ellis....anybody want to have that argument now? Anybody? Thought not.

Your "staples" don't even make all star teams...lol. But then again man, people who know your opinion on Charles Barkley...should expect you to have a much different view on basketball.

 

[Diddy1122]

Heres a list of some of the players the Bulls have chosen to let go of in an efforst to save money and rebuild.



Elton Brand

Jamal Crawford

Ron Artest

Ben Gordon

Tyson Chandler

Andres Nocioni

Thabo Sefalosha

Tyrus Thomas

John Salmons

Shannon Brown

Omer Asik

Kyle Korver

Ronnie Brewer

CJ Watson


All very good player some are staples for their team. At any point over the last 10+ years, the Bulls have had at least four of the players on that list at the same time and opted to let them go or trade them to save money and rebuild. And i wouldnt be surpirsed if the Bulls were to go into full rebuild mose and trade Deng and Noah for picks and salary and go into full rebuild and dangle another "two year plan" in front of the faces of the fans.

Theyll keep doing this as long as you guys allow it.

:rolling:

Shannon Brown? John Salmons? Tyrus Thomas?

Oh boy, I needed a good laugh today. What an incredibly crappy list to back up your "point". :lmao:

 

[nwfisch]

:rolling:

Shannon Brown? John Salmons? Tyrus Thomas?

Oh boy, I needed a good laugh today. What an incredibly crappy list to back up your "point". :lmao:

He forget John Lucas III

 

[Diddy1122]

Whats the going rate for a player of Ben Gordons caliber. List some names and their contracts

Gordon averaged 12.5ppg last season while being paid $11.6M.

Ray Allen averaged 14ppg last season. He just signed for $3M. Belinelli (who averaged just a shade under 12ppg last season) just signed with us for $1.9M. Randy Foye, who actually averaged MORE ppg than Gordon, just signed for $2M. Are you seeing a pattern here?

 

[97Bulls]

Elton Brand just got amnestied.

Gordon got traded to basketball hell because of his salary, and is reunited with Tyrus Thomas.

Artest's salary is partially holding the Lakers back from pursuing Howard.

Hell, the whole "Bench mob" was let go because they were paid too much. $10M for 2 players who are one dimensional is too much when a lottery pick can be had at that price.

None of the players that the Bulls have "left go" are a second scoring option on a title team.

If the Bulls are so cheap, why did they extend Deng, Noah, Rose, and spend big on Boozer?

Im not talking about now. Im talking about where they were as far as status when they left the Bulls. Elton Brand was one of the best PFs in thee league during his tenure with the Clippers. Artest has a dpoy award and a championship as well as a few allstar game appearances. Tyson Chandler also has a dpoy award and a championship. Jamal Crawford ha a sixth man award if im not mistaken.

 

[97Bulls]

What is Gordon's caliber at this point? I remember arguing with people that he wasn't as good a player as Monta Ellis....anybody want to have that argument now? Anybody? Thought not.

Your "staples" don't even make all star teams...lol. But then again man, people who know your opinion on Charles Barkley...should expect you to have a much different view on basketball.

I dont know if id say Gordon is better. But dont forget theyve played in totally different offenses. Ellis stats are kinda inflated due to his playing in that uptempo system in GS. As a Buck, his stats are right on par with gordons per 36 minutes. And yes those guys have made allstar games.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Heres a list of some of the players the Bulls have chosen to let go of in an efforst to save money and rebuild.



Elton Brand

Jamal Crawford

Ron Artest

Ben Gordon

Tyson Chandler

Andres Nocioni

Thabo Sefalosha

Tyrus Thomas

John Salmons

Shannon Brown

Omer Asik

Kyle Korver

Ronnie Brewer

CJ Watson


All very good player some are staples for their team. At any point over the last 10+ years, the Bulls have had at least four of the players on that list at the same time and opted to let them go or trade them to save money and rebuild. And i wouldnt be surpirsed if the Bulls were to go into full rebuild mose and trade Deng and Noah for picks and salary and go into full rebuild and dangle another "two year plan" in front of the faces of the fans.

Theyll keep doing this as long as you guys allow it.

You forgot to add j.r smith who the bulls got in the trade with p.j brown and then let go without even giving him a chance.

Just sayin

 

[houheffna]

I dont know if id say Gordon is better. But dont forget theyve played in totally different offenses. Ellis stats are kinda inflated due to his playing in that uptempo system in GS. As a Buck, his stats are right on par with gordons per 36 minutes. And yes those guys have made allstar games.

Yeah...no. If you watch Ellis play basketball, you can see what Ellis can do better than Gordon...which is damn near everything. Ballhandling and passing, defense, you name it. Better athlete and a better ballplayer. Can't believe people still want to argue differently. Systems don't have anything to do with the player's skills.

As for your list...again, do your homework! WHY did they let Chandler go...do you remember? Guess not or you wouldn't have brought it up. Why did they let Artest go? Who did they trade him for? What was that guy getting paid comparable to Artest. And after Artest spent half his career being a mental case you hold it against the Bulls for trading him? LOL...

As pointed out by others...you have Tyrus Thomas on the list? What?? So would you rather have Thomas or Charlotte's draft pick in a few years...unprotected by the way? You have to be kidding me...

You can't find 5 all star appearance on that lame ass list you put together...but yeah, staples of an organization...OK!

 

[97Bulls]

Yeah...no. If you watch Ellis play basketball, you can see what Ellis can do better than Gordon...which is damn near everything. Ballhandling and passing, defense, you name it. Better athlete and a better ballplayer. Can't believe people still want to argue differently. Systems don't have anything to do with the player's skills.

As for your list...again, do your homework! WHY did they let Chandler go...do you remember? Guess not or you wouldn't have brought it up. Why did they let Artest go? Who did they trade him for? What was that guy getting paid comparable to Artest. And after Artest spent half his career being a mental case you hold it against the Bulls for trading him? LOL...

As pointed out by others...you have Tyrus Thomas on the list? What?? So would you rather have Thomas or Charlotte's draft pick in a few years...unprotected by the way? You have to be kidding me...

You can't find 5 all star appearance on that lame ass list you put together...but yeah, staples of an organization...OK!

Since when are allstar games the end all to be all? Was Ron Artest the best, if the best second best, player on a damn good pacer team? And consiidered the best wing defender in the league? How many centers would you take over Tyson Chandler today? (And notiice I said today. For some starnge reason people cant seem to comprehend and must be spoon fed everything).

And again, I dont care about hindsight, none of the transactions that moved the players or most of the players on that list were lateral moves at best. With the main thought being salary. And thats my point. You let go of very good YOUNG up and comming players for what reason? Cuz they knew Artest was gonna be a head case? Eddy Curry was the only player I feel that the Bulls FO didnt let go with the main intention of saving money. Thats why I didnt list him. Cuz at the time, he was a very good young talented center. He was found to have a heart problem and that was their excuse.

 

[nwfisch]

I'm still waiting to find out how the Bulls are saving money by extending Deng, Noah, and Rose.