Wikileaks

[MassHavoc]

It's been a long time coming but here it is, a thread for the info that was/is and will be released. Also we can talk about Assange and his trial here.



ONE LITTLE CAVEAT.



There is so much info and misinformation here I want people to be careful what they post as facts without proof. Especially when it comes to what is leaked. If possible provide as many links as you can. This should get really fun.







Now, for the first post, I'm all for everything being released except for any information that leads to IMMEDIATE HARM to any person. Milatary or not. Past events and everything else that should be transparent is fair game. Releasing the names of Agents, military positions where we still have troops, and other such endangering information is just plain wrong.



Other than that I've seen some craziness posted. Hope you all will post what you've found.



Also, I am hearing that the Swedish sexual abuse charge stems from having sex with women and not using a condom? Is this true? I know we have a sweedish member, I can't remember who it was though.



Enjoy, and play nice.

 

[supraman]

Whatever Kerfluffle says is wrong

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Whatever Supraman says wrong.



See I blocked out the name.

 

[MassHavoc]

350k bail, fair? On an international warrant for having sex without a condom?

 

[supraman]

350k bail, fair? On an international warrant for having sex without a condom?

Yeah the law is named something like Surprise sex. They talked about it on NPR last week. Pysbert is our resident swede

 

[supraman]

Whatever Supraman says wrong.



See I blocked out the name.

pfft i'm a mod, I just ban everyone that disagrees with me

 

[MassHavoc]

Yeah the law is named something like Surprise sex. They talked about it on NPR last week. Pysbert is our resident swede

Yeah, I read an article about that as well, "Surprise Sex". Apparently they did a whole thing about the woman who is accusing him supposedly has a trail leading back to the CIA or at least supporters of the CIA.

 

[TSD]

My whole view on this is I didnt learn anything I didnt already suspect as was the case.



I didnt think anything in these released documents was anywhere near the revelation wikileaks made them out to be.



As far as wikileaks is concerned I dont care if they continue to exist, get tighter security, if they can get this shit any other world government can. So who gives a crap.

 

[MassHavoc]

My whole view on this is I didnt learn anything I didnt already suspect as was the case.



I didnt think anything in these released documents was anywhere near the revelation wikileaks made them out to be.



As far as wikileaks is concerned I dont care if they continue to exist, get tighter security, if they can get this shit any other world government can. So who gives a crap.

What sorts of things came out that you expected already?



And I don't know that " if they can get this shit any other world government can" is necessarily true. Because if that was the case, then they would have it already, and it wouldn't be as big a deal worldwide.



He hit a nerve somewhere, because everyone wants him for something.

 

[TSD]

What sorts of things came out that you expected already?



And I don't know that " if they can get this shit any other world government can" is necessarily true. Because if that was the case, then they would have it already, and it wouldn't be as big a deal worldwide.



He hit a nerve somewhere, because everyone wants him for something.

Like all of the other Arab states wanting Iran dealt with. its already been common knoweldge they have been the United States torture beds and their leaders arent fans of islamic fundamentalist terrorism. So its no suprise to me that behind close doors they would be begging for the US or even israel to stop iran, while seeming indifferent in the public eye.



Shit like that, and who cares if some US diplomat thinks the Premeir of Italy is a douchebag.



With how they were talking saying the info would be "world changing" I thought they were going to release undisputable evidence of space aliens.



Should my entire world be flipped upside because nations act one way in public and another way behind closed doors? Or a human being in a job sharing his personal opinion on someone else? Really now. To me that is just being naive.



Like anyone who is surprised in the past the the US has propped up ruthless oppressive dictators with one hand while promoting freedom and human rights with the other. Countries serve their own interest, and there is no black and white, they are all shades of grey.

 

[Kerfuffle]

It's important we get Assange and put him in prison for life or eliminate him by other means. Same goes for the private who turned over all the docs. Death penalty or life in prison should be coming for him. This needs to be treated as terrorism. This sets a bad precedent for any dissenter in our military or government to just leak it out to these sites to damage the US.

 

[supraman]

It's important we get Assange and put him in prison for life or eliminate him by other means. Same goes for the private who turned over all the docs. Death penalty or life in prison should be coming for him. This needs to be treated as terrorism. This sets a bad precedent for any dissenter in our military or government to just leak it out to these sites to damage the US.

Why? This is a perfect example of what I emailed you about. You stake a view but fail to explain it.



I like what the guy does, we have TOO many secrets in our government. Certainly there is a need for some secrets but there are far too many and these secrets lead to distrust by the citizens.



Look at this way. There are a lot of people that think 9/11 is an inside job. I am not one of them but because I distrust my government because it has so man secrets I do not put it out of the realm of possibility.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

pfft i'm a mod, I just ban everyone that disagrees with me

That's the spirit!

 

[Kerfuffle]

Why? This is a perfect example of what I emailed you about. You stake a view but fail to explain it.



I like what the guy does, we have TOO many secrets in our government. Certainly there is a need for some secrets but there are far too many and these secrets lead to distrust by the citizens.



Look at this way. There are a lot of people that think 9/11 is an inside job. I am not one of them but because I distrust my government because it has so man secrets I do not put it out of the realm of possibility.

Which part do I need to explain? That it's bad for these leaks to come out? It's not Assange's right to determine what is a secret and what is not. The guy is also making America look bad which is his intent - i.e. showing the videos of civilian causalties. That happens in every war. We try to avoid it but it's impossible. Also, if it can be proven that the leaks led to the death of someone then that private can face the death penalty for leaking this. I saw that on CNN this past weekend with a few prosecutors weighing in on what charges he can face.

 

[R K]

Which part do I need to explain? That it's bad for these leaks to come out? It's not Assange's right to determine what is a secret and what is not. The guy is also making America look bad which is his intent - i.e. showing the videos of civilian causalties. That happens in every war. We try to avoid it but it's impossible. Also, if it can be proven that the leaks led to the death of someone then that private can face the death penalty for leaking this. I saw that on CNN this past weekend with a few prosecutors weighing in on what charges he can face.

What Planet do you live on? America has been fucking with other Countries for eons. We already look bad. It's nothing new. Travel anywhere in the World and you'll find that. Hell just read some of our members from "other" Countries. It's not that hard. We stick our nose in so much shit that DOESN'T pertain to us directly it's sick. Kind of like being in IRAQ and having ABSOLUTELY no BUSINESS being there in the first place. You know Vietnam all over again?



And you sure do point out CNN quite a bit. Do you think the media is fair and un bias?



I'm waiting for the info he has on the Financial Institutions to be released. That should be interesting to say the least.

 

[supraman]

Which part do I need to explain? That it's bad for these leaks to come out? It's not Assange's right to determine what is a secret and what is not. The guy is also making America look bad which is his intent - i.e. showing the videos of civilian causalties. That happens in every war. We try to avoid it but it's impossible. Also, if it can be proven that the leaks led to the death of someone then that private can face the death penalty for leaking this. I saw that on CNN this past weekend with a few prosecutors weighing in on what charges he can face.

There you go, that is called backing up your position. So what if he makes America look bad. We are fighting a war on foreign soil and hell it isn't even a war of conquest. We are just there...pissing them off. There are only two good reasons for war. Defense and Conquest. Defense is fighting against foreign invaders and Conquest at least you get something out of the end. All we gain in Iraq and Afghanistan is US Armed Forces body count.



Rules were broken for giving out this information and the private should be punished but I'm glad the information is out there for the public to access.

 

[TSD]

Which part do I need to explain? That it's bad for these leaks to come out? It's not Assange's right to determine what is a secret and what is not. The guy is also making America look bad which is his intent - i.e. showing the videos of civilian causalties. That happens in every war. We try to avoid it but it's impossible. Also, if it can be proven that the leaks led to the death of someone then that private can face the death penalty for leaking this. I saw that on CNN this past weekend with a few prosecutors weighing in on what charges he can face.

and you are naive if you think wiki-leaks dies with Assange. The guy cant do anything technical, hes merely a talking head.





No nation needs wiki-leaks to look bad. I can post a laundry list of things the US has done in the 20th and 21st century that are contrary to our espoused freedom and democracy.



On the other hand I don't have problem with that. I understand my nation does shitty things to serve its own interest, just like any other, and accept that and served it regardless.





Its people like you that require the United States to be this untainted white knight, and stick your fingers in your ears yelling lalalalalalalalala when you find out that isnt the case.

 

[TSD]

What Planet do you live on? America has been fucking with other Countries for eons. We already look bad. It's nothing new. Travel anywhere in the World and you'll find that. Hell just read some of our members from "other" Countries. It's not that hard. We stick our nose in so much shit that DOESN'T pertain to us directly it's sick. Kind of like being in IRAQ and having ABSOLUTELY no BUSINESS being there in the first place. You know Vietnam all over again?



And you sure do point out CNN quite a bit. Do you think the media is fair and un bias?

I'm waiting for the info he has on the Financial Institutions to be released. That should be interesting to say the least.

when it supports his opinion, of course it is fair and unbias.

 

[TSD]

It's important we get Assange and put him in prison for life or eliminate him by other means. Same goes for the private who turned over all the docs. Death penalty or life in prison should be coming for him. This needs to be treated as terrorism. This sets a bad precedent for any dissenter in our military or government to just leak it out to these sites to damage the US.

Kerfluffle there are serial killers who havent gotten the death penatly, yet you want some poor kid, to die, for what he really probably had no idea what the ramifications were. Its not like a murder killing someone knowing he could be conivcted for life imprisonment. he probably in his dumbass mind thought he was being a whistle blower but then he found out nobody cares about blowing people up in the desert. I really think death or life imprisonment is a little harsh. If he was your child you would have a completely different opinion on the gravity of this crime.





I think im going to leak my army training manual to wikileaks. Should I be sentenced to death for that? I mean it teaches you things like acronyms, how to clean an m-16, military rank and all sorts of top secret things the terrorists can use against us!

 

[R K]

when it supports his opinion, of course it is fair and unbias.

HA!



My bad. I digress.



How many Countries does the US have a "military presence" or "Government presence" in illegally right now? Could anyone even answer what the CIA does?



I don't think so. Anyone who thinks we are all rosey, nice guys, lives in LA LA land. We promote our benefit even when the people would be completely against it if they KNEW about it.