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I hope the Cubs get it over with and lose tomorrow. I’m tired of them getting in the way of the new and improved Danny Parkins Show with Matt Spiegel everyday. Premium content like this should not be preempted for a mediocre baseball team.

If you consider anything on radio "premium content".....you really need to look into a few new life choices.
 

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I want Bryant to stick around next year and continue to suck. See what kind of extension he gets batting .200 for a year and a half
 

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We will agree to disagree with this one. Lead off has been a issue ever sense Fowler left. Every player except Rizzo has produced their worst in that position.

Even Happ went from mvp conciseration to a .260 hitter after taking the mantle.

I just look at it as a spot where these guys fail regularly at. So instead of losing production add a hitter that can cause some grief. Force them to draw in the D etc.

Again my argument was D first. Many here were sucking off Almora and his 50 wRC+ because he makes plays in center. It got disgusting. And Billy can disrupt a pitchers rhythm and has constantly played superior CF

Pretty no brain here.

Far better than seeing Schwarber strike out 3 times leading off then walking 1 time and the pitcher ignoring him because dude can't run.

I think you watched hamilton in one game....sunday....when he "stole" home and hit a hr

Guy had an ops of .390 this year......let me repeat that...hus on base % PLUS slugging % was .390....he disrupts nothing but his own teams ability to score runs.

His career ops is .620....historically awful.

I could care less if he was the best defensive player in the history of baseball the guy can't start 150 games and gets 700 pa as a teams leadoff hitter.......if you want him as a 5th of for d and speed and 75-100 pa then i guess a case could be made with expanded rosters but he's really a useless starting of
 

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I see the dick ripping is still continuing...

when yu wins game 2 and Lester game 3, will we be good again?!

If they lose the smart thing to do is a complete teardown and start over. It's how the world series championship roster was built and the present day White Sox as well. Blackhawks championship roster was accomplished the same way (Kane #1 overall, Toews #3 overall).

DO IT THEO! With Covid the Cubs aren't going to fill the seats next year as well. This is the best time for a complete teardown

DO IT!!!!!!!
 

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Problem with a complete tear down at this point is that essentially every player's value on the roster is at rock bottom after this year especially the hitters. Bryant probably lost 100-150 million with such a bad season. You almost have no choice but to keep the team as is through next year's trade deadline and hope many guys rebound. Then you sell them at the trade deadline. Trading them in the offseason for magic beans won't help a rebuild anymore than keeping them one more season.
 

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I think you watched hamilton in one game....sunday....when he "stole" home and hit a hr

Guy had an ops of .390 this year......let me repeat that...hus on base % PLUS slugging % was .390....he disrupts nothing but his own teams ability to score runs.

His career ops is .620....historically awful.

I could care less if he was the best defensive player in the history of baseball the guy can't start 150 games and gets 700 pa as a teams leadoff hitter.......if you want him as a 5th of for d and speed and 75-100 pa then i guess a case could be made with expanded rosters but he's really a useless starting of
Everyone with a clue knows Billy Hamilton can't leadoff everyday. He's terrible
 

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Problem with a complete tear down at this point is that essentially every player's value on the roster is at rock bottom after this year especially the hitters. Bryant probably lost 100-150 million with such a bad season. You almost have no choice but to keep the team as is through next year's trade deadline and hope many guys rebound. Then you sell them at the trade deadline. Trading them in the offseason for magic beans won't help a rebuild anymore than keeping them one more season.
They'll probably be a borderline contender at the deadline again and Theo will have to make a bold decision to sell
 

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I think you watched hamilton in one game....sunday....when he "stole" home and hit a hr

Guy had an ops of .390 this year......let me repeat that...hus on base % PLUS slugging % was .390....he disrupts nothing but his own teams ability to score runs.

His career ops is .620....historically awful.

I could care less if he was the best defensive player in the history of baseball the guy can't start 150 games and gets 700 pa as a teams leadoff hitter.......if you want him as a 5th of for d and speed and 75-100 pa then i guess a case could be made with expanded rosters but he's really a useless starting of

You are sounding like Trump in the debate. You did not respond to what I said and when right to OBA.

I did some looking into it this morning. I'm stuck here with a broken arm and out for 8 weeks so why not.

This is off of fansgraph and I was looking into the history of lead off with these players vs their normal production.

Now this is more about not losing production with a core player in a line up spot vs adding a dead bat. I get your opinion and I don't disagree with it at all. But the net loss of production of moving a key hitter is not the answer.

Current options: (2020)
Ian Happ: .333 OBA leading off. (162 PA) Rest combined: .405 OBA
Kris Bryant: .271 elsewhere .285 OBA. His year just was bad in general.

2019:
Almora .220 OBA leading off. Not bothering because he sucks.
Schwarber .304 leading off .353 OBA elsewhere. This is the glory child right here.
Heyward leading off .252 OBA elsewhere .368

Seeing a trend here.

We can go back further but what is the point. The theme is constant. Anytime they plug a bat into the lead off that hitter shuts down,

What is the answer? Not on the roster for sure. Right now it is Happ but lets be real. That .405 OBA to .333 is a net loss in production.

While my answer is not the best answer it is taking an approach of adding a missing element of speed and disruption of pitchers rhythm 1/3 of his PA's. While keeping the core producing in higher production spots in the line up.

Like I said the best answer is not on the team.
 

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You are sounding like Trump in the debate. You did not respond to what I said and when right to OBA.

I did some looking into it this morning. I'm stuck here with a broken arm and out for 8 weeks so why not.

This is off of fansgraph and I was looking into the history of lead off with these players vs their normal production.

Now this is more about not losing production with a core player in a line up spot vs adding a dead bat. I get your opinion and I don't disagree with it at all. But the net loss of production of moving a key hitter is not the answer.

Current options: (2020)
Ian Happ: .333 OBA leading off. (162 PA) Rest combined: .405 OBA
Kris Bryant: .271 elsewhere .285 OBA. His year just was bad in general.

2019:
Almora .220 OBA leading off. Not bothering because he sucks.
Schwarber .304 leading off .353 OBA elsewhere. This is the glory child right here.
Heyward leading off .252 OBA elsewhere .368

Seeing a trend here.

We can go back further but what is the point. The theme is constant. Anytime they plug a bat into the lead off that hitter shuts down,

What is the answer? Not on the roster for sure. Right now it is Happ but lets be real. That .405 OBA to .333 is a net loss in production.

While my answer is not the best answer it is taking an approach of adding a missing element of speed and disruption of pitchers rhythm 1/3 of his PA's. While keeping the core producing in higher production spots in the line up.

Like I said the best answer is not on the team.

So your solution is to determine is that 4-5 guys on the roster are bad at obp so let's put a guy who's got a worse obp and ZERO slugging ability in that slot because he runs fast?

Genius!
 

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They'll probably be a borderline contender at the deadline again and Theo will have to make a bold decision to sell

There is zero chance another championship is had with the core of this roster. Their starting staff is long in the tooth as well.

What made the Cubs different compared to other teams was their fanbase filling Wrigley even during mid week so that would have made ownership think twice of doing a complete rebuild. Don't need to worry about lost stadium revenue anymore due to Covid cause this shit is gonna last at least for the next 2 years of playing in front of empty or half filled stadiums.

TIME IS NOW. DO IT THEO! TEAR IT DOWN!!!!



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We will agree to disagree with this one. Lead off has been a issue ever sense Fowler left. Every player except Rizzo has produced their worst in that position.

Even Happ went from mvp conciseration to a .260 hitter after taking the mantle.

I just look at it as a spot where these guys fail regularly at. So instead of losing production add a hitter that can cause some grief. Force them to draw in the D etc.

Again my argument was D first. Many here were sucking off Almora and his 50 wRC+ because he makes plays in center. It got disgusting. And Billy can disrupt a pitchers rhythm and has constantly played superior CF

Pretty no brain here.

Far better than seeing Schwarber strike out 3 times leading off then walking 1 time and the pitcher ignoring him because dude can't run.

And so your response is to lap up billy Hamilton’s ball juices?! The guy sucks, let it go. Yes, he is a fast guy...but guess what?? That speed doesn’t mean jack shit if you can’t get on base, and billy cannot get on base. The reds tried already, they thought they had their speedy lead off guy and guess what they found out? They found out it don’t matter how fast he is because he can’t hit and he can’t get on base.
 

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So your solution is to determine is that 4-5 guys on the roster are bad at obp so let's put a guy who's got a worse obp and ZERO slugging ability in that slot because he runs fast?

Genius!

You are a dolt.

Read what I said.

1. The answer is not on the team.
2. Schwarber, Bryant, Happ and Heyward all shut down as hitters being moved there.
3. Billy is not the best answer but he brings speed to the table which affects the game flow every PA. On base or not they have to adjust for that speed threat. (bunt and weak contact infield hits become a error opportunity due to the player having to rush)

Again I did not disagree with you but at least I didn't act like a asshat over it towards you. Now I am.
 

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Let's score like 20 runs today..
 

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Let's score like 20 runs today..

I'm expecting a win today TBH. I'm worried about game 3.

Regardless the O shutting down was the issue and whom ever starts has to endure.
 

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