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This is a ton of turnover for a team that won 97 games.
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$184M for 8 years.
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Not that much yet. If Heyward plays CF it is Fowler and Castro for Heyward and Zobrist.
The Pitching was a revolving door in the 5th spot and they pocked up Lackey who pushes everyone else back. It is actually not that much yet. My guess is one starter and two position players is kind of normal for an offseason. Teams turn over the BP every season.
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They are fine tuning the roster.
The whole NL Central over-achieved last year, and the Cubs have addressed issues, while the Cardinals and Pirates have not.
They (the Cardinals) may try and counter with either a Gordon, Leake, Cueto, or Davis signing. They have tried for Price and Heyward and have fallen short, and you know they will pick up someone out there that you didn't expect.
It is rather odd to not hear the Yankees in any discussions. How many times would you hear Steinbrenner say that you don't have to have a 200 million dollar payroll to win the WS, and he would be right.
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If they try and move Soler for a pitcher, I wonder who the odd man out would be? My think is it might be Hammel seeing as all of the pitching is going quickly, and they might be able to max out his value on a one year contract.
The Cubs said they had to be creative, and if they move Hammel, that would be 20 million between him, Castro, and Soler, assuming that they get all of Hammel's contract of course, which would pay for a major chunk of Heywards deal.
The Cubs said they had to be creative, and if they move Hammel, that would be 20 million between him, Castro, and Soler, assuming that they get all of Hammel's contract of course, which would pay for a major chunk of Heywards deal.
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More likely it would be Hendricks as he has better trade value due to his controlled contract.
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Ken Rosenthal @__KenRosenthal · 11m11 minutes ago
Source: #Cubs are close to trading Jorge Soler and Javier Baez to the #Nationals for Stephen Strasburg and Drew Storen.
Source: #Cubs are close to trading Jorge Soler and Javier Baez to the #Nationals for Stephen Strasburg and Drew Storen.
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I would not have seen that coming
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I see 0 way they move Hendricks as it's a lateral move. Sure maybe you get slightly better but in a year or two when Hammel is a FA you're no better unless Johnson/Edwards are ready to step into the rotation which is far from a guarantee. Plus, I think if you're going to trade for a starter that team is likely tanking the season to some extent. 2 years of Hammel at $9 mil and $10 mi/$2 mil buyout is a very attractive contract in this market. Plus, those teams still have to play games even if Atlanta is trying to be as shitty as possible. So, someone is still going to pitch for them. Might as well be a guy like Hammel who if he rebounds to 1st half form will net you a pretty nice trade piece at the deadline given what his value is presently.
Maybe the other team doesn't want Hammel but the fact of the matter is the cubs have all the leverage in the world. They don't have to do anything. So sure maybe the team holds out for a Sands/Steele like prospect but I honestly can't see why the cubs would deal Hendricks. He's so cheap as a #4/5 starter and if you happen to think like I do, he's far better than people realize. Given the cubs are likely close to the limit payroll wise you want those cheap players for your MLB roster and almost certainly would rather trade from your minor league system first.
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If you think about itCleveland would want to get rid of someone it would be to get more controllable players. so give up one control for two or more.
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Baez and Edwards would make sense for them
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That's dumb.
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Well Cleveland isn't the only person the cubs are talking to apparently. We know they have talked to the Braves recently and apparently the Padres both of whom appear to be garbage next year. The braves starting rotation consists of Julio Teheran, 25 year old Williams Perez(4.78/4.87 ERA/FIP), 23 year old Matthew Wisler(4.71/4.93 ERA/FIP), 24 year old Mike Foltynewicz(5.71/5.05 ERA/FIP) and not really sure who their 5th is. Ball park guess is Manny Banuelos who has had injury issues in the past and who had a 5.13/5.37 ERA/FIP last season. Suffice to say, Hammel would probably be their #1 pitcher if they deal Teheran. San Diego's rotation consists of Tyson Ross, James Shields, and Andrew Cashner all three of whom have been mentioned in various trade talks to numerous teams. Ian Kennedy went to FA so 28 year old Odrisamer Despaigne(5.80/4.77 ERA/FIP) would be their #4. They have no solid answer at their #5 starter.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Hammel has immense trade value. My point is more that Hendricks has far more value to the cubs than Hammel does and neither of them really should make or break a trade. The meat of the trade will be your Soler/Baez type and maybe a Vogelbach or McKinney or whomever if it is to occur. It's just that with the way things are being reported, if the cubs are to move anyone it's almost certainly going to be someone making actual money. It's great the cubs found a way to sign Heyward but by all indications they are likely close to maxed out budget right now. And Arrieta has 2 years left before FA. So, if you're freeing someone up from the starting rotation you'd prefer to replace Hammel's contract with Teheran/Ross/whomever and keep Hendricks' rookie deal.
Again, whether or not Cleveland/Atlanta/Padres/whomever does that trade is some what inconsequential because I don't see the cubs agreeing to a deal where they have to give up someone who's as cheap and effective as Hendricks when they know Arrieta's is about to get $10-15 mil more per season.
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Two starting position players, one staring pitcher. Maybe two.
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They are still exploring cf options. That could be a 1/3 of your lineup and 2/5 your pitching staff. That is a lot of turnover
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Hnnnnngg..... Theo ain't done. This team...