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chibears55

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I've been hearing rumors that we're simply driving the price up on Heyward for STL.
That to me never made sense..

If their making offers but dont want the guy , what if the Cards decide not to counter and the Cubs last offer was 8/180 and Heyward accepts

So now they got a guy they didn't really want and have to pay him 22.5 mil for 8 yrs ?

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That to me never made sense..

If their making offers but dont want the guy , what if the Cards decide not to counter and the Cubs last offer was 8/180 and Heyward accepts

So now they got a guy they didn't really want and have to pay him 22.5 mil for 8 yrs ?

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I like it because **** the cardinals, but I agree with you

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That to me never made sense..

If their making offers but dont want the guy , what if the Cards decide not to counter and the Cubs last offer was 8/180 and Heyward accepts

So now they got a guy they didn't really want and have to pay him 22.5 mil for 8 yrs ?

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I don't think teams really do this the way the media portrays it. In my opinion you put in a bid with where you are comfortable having a player even if you don't love them. For example, let's say a players actual value is say $20 mil and that you don't like the player at that price. However, at $15 mil you may favor that player over another. So, you put in that bid and that then makes the teams that are after him go 17-18 mil...etc. They might still get a discount but you being involved takes the bid from 15 to 18.
 

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Does anyone else remember who gave Heyward his first home run? Would be kind of ironic if we sign him.
 

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Market value haha
It may very well be for him. He's certainly young enough that offering a long term contract, a team could expect him to stay relatively healthy through the contract period.
 

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I don't think teams really do this the way the media portrays it. In my opinion you put in a bid with where you are comfortable having a player even if you don't love them. For example, let's say a players actual value is say $20 mil and that you don't like the player at that price. However, at $15 mil you may favor that player over another. So, you put in that bid and that then makes the teams that are after him go 17-18 mil...etc. They might still get a discount but you being involved takes the bid from 15 to 18.
Right.. im sure that basically how it done to begin with

I just dont believe after that, that such team continues to negotiate if their not interested as to supposedly force another team to up their offer. .

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The Nationals are the “mystery team” pursuing free agent outfielder Jason Heyward, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports on Twitter. They are joined in the chase for Heyward by the Cubs and Cardinals, per the report.
 

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The Nationals are the “mystery team” pursuing free agent outfielder Jason Heyward, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports on Twitter. They are joined in the chase for Heyward by the Cubs and Cardinals, per the report.

Can't say I understand the national's interest. I mean Harper is obviously a lock in their OF. Michael Taylor is presumably their CF of the future. And they got Jayson Werth for 2 more years at $21 mil each. No way you can keep him around on that sort of deal. Maybe you eat $30 mil or so and trade him but not sure you're going to find much market for a 37 year old OF.

Oh and they have yet to lock up Strasburg and Harper long term and they are throwing around $200 mil contracts like they are nothing.
 

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Unless they are looking to open a trade for pitching as the prices are going up
 

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It’s not known which of those clubs — if not another — is in the lead, but Heyman adds in another tweet that Heyward has at least one offer at or over $200MM on the table. That’s not exactly surprising, as MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes predicted Heyward would reach the double-century mark, but does appear to suggest that he’ll be in position to maximize his potential market value.

Heyward’s youth and broad skillset make him a tantalizing target even for clubs that otherwise seem set in the outfield, as I explained in breaking down Heyward’s free agent case in late October. He’s a very good, but not great, hitter who has never returned to the power ceiling he showed earlier in his career. But he’s at the top of the class in basically every other area.

It’s possible that Washington would utilize Heyward in center field were he to land there, Heyman suggests. While the team has youngster Michael A. Taylor lined up to take over there, he’s still raw. It’s worth bearing in mind, too, that veteran Jayson Werth has only two years left on his deal and could ultimately stand to receive added rest given his nagging injuries over the years. While trades could be considered in the wake of a signing, it’s also possible to imagine Heyward splitting his time up the middle and in the corner for some time as the teams waits to see what happens with its other options.
 

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If the money is close and Heyward doesn't choose the Cubs, then I'm glad he doesn't come. He doesn't fit the mold of players we have that are interested in making history in Chicago.
 

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Not interested in guys who are simply going to the highest bidder. I like guys to take into account the team they're playing for. Cubs are clearly the best situation right now so unless it's an extra $20M that the Nats or Cards offer, Hayward really needs to pick Cubs. If he doesn't, he's not the team oriented player we need.
 

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Not interested in guys who are simply going to the highest bidder. I like guys to take into account the team they're playing for. Cubs are clearly the best situation right now so unless it's an extra $20M that the Nats or Cards offer, Hayward really needs to pick Cubs. If he doesn't, he's not the team oriented player we need.

I say this in the least offensive way, but that's kind of a meatball way of thinking. It's easy for us to say things like that, but when someone is offering 20M more I'm more than likely going there. You can't fault someone for going to the highest bidder, and that doesn't necessarily mean they don't want to win or are only playing for the money.
 

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Atlanta Braves ‏@Braves 3m3 minutes ago
#Braves acquire RHP Casey Kelly and C Ricardo Rodriguez from #Padres in exchange for C Christian Bethancourt.

Braves getting all the padre's pitching prospects.
 

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I say this in the least offensive way, but that's kind of a meatball way of thinking. It's easy for us to say things like that, but when someone is offering 20M more I'm more than likely going there. You can't fault someone for going to the highest bidder, and that doesn't necessarily mean they don't want to win or are only playing for the money.

Cubs offer 10/$200, Angels offer 10/$220

The meatball way of thinking would be to take the Angels offer. California is more expensive than Chicago so there's that. Not to mention Anaheim is going nowhere as a team.

Also, even if it was the Cards who offered 10/$220. Who the **** wants to live in St. Louis? And how much money does someone need? If I'm getting $20M a year from one place and $22M from someone else, the extra $2M is pretty irrelevant. I'm going to go play where I want to play.
 

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Atlanta Braves ‏@Braves 3m3 minutes ago
#Braves acquire RHP Casey Kelly and C Ricardo Rodriguez from #Padres in exchange for C Christian Bethancourt.

Braves getting all the padre's pitching prospects.

All they need to do now is trade for Leo Mazzone
 

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Cubs offer 10/$200, Angels offer 10/$220

The meatball way of thinking would be to take the Angels offer. California is more expensive than Chicago so there's that. Not to mention Anaheim is going nowhere as a team.

Also, even if it was the Cards who offered 10/$220. Who the **** wants to live in St. Louis? And how much money does someone need? If I'm getting $20M a year from one place and $22M from someone else, the extra $2M is pretty irrelevant. I'm going to go play where I want to play.

This is all easier said than done without a 220 Million dollar contract in your face.
 

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This is all easier said than done without a 220 Million dollar contract in your face.

Maybe. I guess I can only speak for myself but if a place that I felt was a better opportunity offered me $20M a year and a place that I considered lesser offered me $22M, I would go for the $20M.

You can extrapolate this to smaller more normal salaries. If Business A is offering you $100,000 a year which you really love, and Business B is offering you $110,000 which you don't love as much, wouldn't you go for Business A? I would absolutely.
 

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Maybe. I guess I can only speak for myself but if a place that I felt was a better opportunity offered me $20M a year and a place that I considered lesser offered me $22M, I would go for the $20M.

You can extrapolate this to smaller more normal salaries. If Business A is offering you $100,000 a year which you really love, and Business B is offering you $110,000 which you don't love as much, wouldn't you go for Business A? I would absolutely.

but this is baseball, it doesn't change where you play it still baseball and we don't know where Heyward prefers to live so..
 

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