Winter Meeting (Trades)

[DanTown]

Probably goes to show the flaw. He was a finalist if I recall correctly.

He wasn't.

 

[jooo83]

Taking the hype out of this crazy time of year, please explain how 13 HR and 60 RBI is production worth $20 mil/year.

Market value haha

 

[DanTown]

Taking the hype out of this crazy time of year, please explain how 13 HR and 60 RBI is production worth $20 mil/year.

Elite defense + fairly good hitting = 20 million a year. How do you want to define what a player is worth btw? WAR? Compared to other players? Just curious because Jason Heyward is an easy case.

 

[beckdawg]

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Just told rumor is Cubs have the inside track on Heyward. Cards expected to turn their attention to Davis.

 

[FrankieLyrical]

Found this gem on reddit:

Alright boys, here's the memo:
"Wow, Heyward signed with the Cubs for 8/210? FUCKING GENIUS THEO."
or
"Wow, Heyward signed with the Cardinals for 8/210? GLAD WE AVOIDED THAT CONTRACT, FUCKING GENIUS THEO."

 

[FrankieLyrical]

I said yesterday that I don't want a 200 million dollar contract, but if it means we can play Heyward in CF and keep Soler, I can live with it.

 

[DanTown]

Jayson Stark ‏@jaysonst
Hearing talk that Jason Heyward isn't looking for 10 years at $20M/year. More like $24M/year for 8 or 9 years.

My thoughts
For me, I like 8/24 a year more than I like 10/20 a year. The downside is less with very little difference in the upside of the deal.

 

[FrankieLyrical]

My thoughts are, I just want to keep Soler.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Elite defense + fairly good hitting = 20 million a year. How do you want to define what a player is worth btw? WAR? Compared to other players? Just curious because Jason Heyward is an easy case.

No it isn't an easy case. If it was, someone would have already caved on the contract.

 

[SilenceS]

I cant wait for Mike Trout to get 400 million.

 

[DanTown]

No it isn't an easy case. If it was, someone would have already caved on the contract.

There's only a few teams that have both the resources and the availability to pay Heyward this much, it has nothing to do with the value he'll bring as an individual. By any measure, he'll be worth the contract he gets.

The fact of the matter is most teams already have a high priced OF so they can't really afford to have two and the ones who can afford two already have two+. But in most cases, Heyward would be a better value than the guy they have.

 

[Parade_Rain]

There's only a few teams that have both the resources and the availability to pay Heyward this much, it has nothing to do with the value he'll bring as an individual. By any measure, he'll be worth the contract he gets.

The fact of the matter is most teams already have a high priced OF so they can't really afford to have two and the ones who can afford two already have two+. But in most cases, Heyward would be a better value than the guy they have.

How many players hit 13 HR and 60 RBI? Many. Do you know what elite defense in the OF gets you? Maybe 2 addtional opportunities a week to make a play someone else cant and being able to make the play doesn't guarantee the play is made. This has even been covered on MLB Network.

 

[beckdawg]

Heyward is interesting player to me. If you buy his perks he's easily worth the money. However, he's honestly a 80's player more than a present day one. The average OF in the 80's hit around 15 HRs. It's easy to forget that Tony Gwynn was a star OF then and he hit 45 CAREER HRs. And while he was a great hitter, he only had a .338/.388/.459 career triple slash. Heyward currently is at .268/.353/.431 and hasn't hit the prime years of a typical players career. And Gwynn was no where even remotely close to the defender Heyward is. Chet Lemon is another guy who's game is similar to Heyward's. Both those guys are two of the best OF of the 80's.

 

[CSF77]

the way I look at it is they needed to improve OBA at the top. Adding a eliete OF D pushes it over the top.

What I can say is he is only 26 so it is a sound investment if they win.

I still see him going back to RF when Almora promotes or Almora comes in for late D and Heyward shifts over. Still that part is down the road.

Well I hope the Cubs win. Taking 2 from the Cards will burn them this season.

Priceless.

 

[DanTown]

How many players hit 13 HR and 60 RBI? Many. Do you know what elite defense in the OF gets you? Maybe 2 addtional opportunities a week to make a play someone else cant and being able to make the play doesn't guarantee the play is made. This has even been covered on MLB Network.

so you disagree with his vast WAR value solely because he doesn't hit enough home runs (even though his OPS would have been fourth on the team)? HR power is simply one thing to measure a player on and while it has importance, it's not the end all of player value. If he had HR power, you're talking about Mike Trout. The guy who signed his FA years at 34 million/year. Over a year ago.

I fail to see how a guy with elite defense + fairly good hitting with some power is a bad contract at around 20 million. It's what the market says for good/solid players. I fail to see how Jason Heyward isn't that level of player.

 

[beckdawg]

How many players hit 13 HR and 60 RBI? Many. Do you know what elite defense in the OF gets you? Maybe 2 addtional opportunities a week to make a play someone else cant and being able to make the play doesn't guarantee the play is made. This has even been covered on MLB Network.

I would make the comment that those 2 additional opportunities aren't just any opportunity. By very nature those are generally high impact plays in a game. For example, a play Heyward might make that say Soler wont is a shot into the CF/RF gap. That's a double or triple usually and a high chance of scoring a run. Obviously the true value of defense is some what inconclusive. So, people are going to have varying opinions. But if you look at 2013/14 braves team ERA and then in 2015 there's a huge drop off. This year the cardinals had a huge decrease despite Wainwright being hurt.

If people don't want to buy into Heyward that's their choice but I think there's compelling case to be made.

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

I cant wait for Mike Trout to get 400 million.

The Dodgers are preparing to offer Kyle Schwarber 19 years/$623,500,000

 

[chibears55]

Guessing Heyward hits 20+ hitting in WF for 81 games. Or hits a lot of doubles ...
Either way I see his power numbers go up at WF...
As far as RBIs goes, that should go up too if maddon continues batting Russell in 9th hole and Zobrist leads off.. Heyward will be like a 3 hitter in the 2nd spot..

Heard Angels dropped out and focusing on a trade now for an OFer..

It obviously going to come down to who matches or comes close to what he asking for in money and years and allows him to play the position he wants to play. ..
If that all equal then it basically did he enjoy playing in SL or would he prefer the big city Chicago. .

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[FrankieLyrical]

I've been hearing rumors that we're simply driving the price up on Heyward for STL.

 

[brett05]

He wasn't.

He was in 2014 IIRC it is when he signed his extension.