Winter Meeting (Trades)

[czman]

If they trade Baez for pitching who is playing CF? Where do they go for that?

 

[beckdawg]

If they trade Baez for pitching who is playing CF? Where do they go for that?

None of Span, Fowler or Heyward have signed. Not to mention there's still a trade market and if worst comes to worst Austin Jackson. Regardless of what happens I really don't see Baez starting in CF for the cubs. My guess is they were working him there more to be a versatile swing player more than a starter.

 

[czman]

None of Span, Fowler or Heyward have signed. Not to mention there's still a trade market and if worst comes to worst Austin Jackson. Regardless of what happens I really don't see Baez starting in CF for the cubs. My guess is they were working him there more to be a versatile swing player more than a starter.

I don't want to see him there either, but if he is your backup plan it makes sense to have someone slotted into CF before you trade him.

 

[beckdawg]

I don't want to see him there either, but if he is your backup plan it makes sense to have someone slotted into CF before you trade him.

And I'm assuming if they trade him they essentially have already agreed to do something else for CF.

 

[beckdawg]

David O'Brien ✔ @DOBrienAJC
I've got a feeling #Braves haven't given up on getting INF Javier Baez or OF Jorge Soler from #Cubs for Miller. Baez esp could fill big hole

Seems all the reporting with regard to Soler/Baez is they have more value that the pitchers you hear the mentioned with. That's not entirely surprising to me but it is definitely nice to hear. You hear a lot about Tampa trying to get the cubs to agree and this makes it sound like the Braves want the cubs to say yes more so than the other way around.

 

[MassHavoc]

Seems all the reporting with regard to Soler/Baez is they have more value that the pitchers you hear the mentioned with. That's not entirely surprising to me but it is definitely nice to hear. You hear a lot about Tampa trying to get the cubs to agree and this makes it sound like the Braves want the cubs to say yes more so than the other way around.

Is it wrong that for the right return from the right teams, I'd be ok with giving up both?

 

[beckdawg]

Is it wrong that for the right return from the right teams, I'd be ok with giving up both?

I mentioned somewhere else that the idea of getting both Teheran and Miller was interesting to me though that was before they signed Lackey.

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

I want to keep our 97 win team as much in tact as possible. I understand we'll probably have to move on young high-ceiling guy but I don't mess with our product too much.

I'd move one (ideally Baez) and bring every body else back. Hopefully La Stella can stay healthy and provide valuable insurance for Russell/Castro.

 

[Zvbxrpl]

Dodgers trade for Chapman.

Theo Epstein are you awake this winter?

Jayson Stark says there's no deal, another team involved with a better offer.

Also--the reds wouldn't trade him here without asking for one of the big specs.....

Dumbass.

 

[chibears55]

@TheCCO: Javier Baez Top Target in Talks with Rays, #Cubs Connected to #Orioles and Kevin Gausman bit.ly/1QaEpB0 #MLB

@GDubCub: Hoyer says Cubs have narrowed trade efforts to "10 to 12 teams" with possible fits.


I hope this isn't one of those where we hear their gojng to go home and evaluate the offers and decide what to do..
Use those end up with them standing pat and doing nothing

But it looks as though their considering trades to fill their needs in CF, SP, and maybe the pen

 

[SilenceS]

The Marlins are seeking 5 to 6 great young players and the majority being major league ready for Jose Fernandez. Interesting, those kind of hauls have happened before and there has never really been a real big win for a team. Colon trade was the best one with Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips, and Sizemore being in it.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...arlins-want-5-or-6-players-for-jose-fernandez

 

[chibears55]

The Marlins are seeking 5 to 6 great young players and the majority being major league ready for Jose Fernandez. Interesting, those kind of hauls have happened before and there has never really been a real big win for a team. Colon trade was the best one with Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips, and Sizemore being in it.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...arlins-want-5-or-6-players-for-jose-fernandez

Problem with this is its a huge risk for someone coming of TJ surgery ..
Although he had a solid return this year, you just never know
and a team will hesitate before giving up a chunk of their prospects

 

[beckdawg]

I'm curious straight up how much Desmond Jennings would cost from the rays. He's got 3 years of control. He's a career .249/.327/.398 hitter and has played decently in CF in the past. If they don't sign Heyward, I'd be done with Jennings if he's on the cheap trade wise.

 

[beckdawg]

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 38s39 seconds ago
Alleged incident at Aroldis Chapman's home included eight gunshots, "choking" of girlfriend. News with @TBrownYahoo: http://yhoo.it/1OQHxic

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 37s37 seconds ago
Alleged domestic incident at Aroldis Chapman's home could scuttle a trade to the Dodgers, sources tell Yahoo Sports: http://yhoo.it/1OQHxic

 

[chibears55]

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 38s39 seconds ago
Alleged incident at Aroldis Chapman's home included eight gunshots, "choking" of girlfriend. News with @TBrownYahoo: http://yhoo.it/1OQHxic

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 37s37 seconds ago
Alleged domestic incident at Aroldis Chapman's home could scuttle a trade to the Dodgers, sources tell Yahoo Sports: http://yhoo.it/1OQHxic

Now we know why the Reds were in big hurry to move him

Sneaky sneaky

 

[CSF77]

Now we know why the Reds were in big hurry to move him

Sneaky sneaky

happened back in Oct. Reds say they will hold back for a few weeks

 

[CSF77]

Rays, Cubs Discussing Trade Involving Javier Baez
By Mark Polishuk | December 7, 2015 at 9:12pm CST

9:05pm: The Cubs may be targeting Alex Cobb, Topkin tweets. The outstanding righty had his UCL replaced back in May and will obviously miss a good portion of the coming season. But he projects to earn just $4MM next year (an exact match for his 2015 salary) and would come with another cheap season of control thereafter.

5:45pm: Tampa Bay’s target in talks with Chicago is “definitely Baez,” Topkin tweets. He adds that the club is chatting with several other teams on deals at the moment.

Meanwhile, ESPNChicago.com’s Jesse Rogers tweets that Moore and Cobb appear to be more likely possibilities for the Cubs to pursue than is Archer, which is hardly surprising. He also says that, while relievers are “in play” in talks, the Cubs would “have to get a starter back.”

2:22am: The Cubs and Rays are in discussions about a deal that would send Javier Baez to Tampa in exchange for pitching, Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times reports. Topkin isn’t sure how developed the talks are, or if a trade is likely to happen. On Sunday, 670TheScore.com’s Bruce Levine reported that Chicago and Tampa had been in talks.

Chicago has been looking for both starting pitching and bullpen help this offseason, and the Rays are a potential fit in either department. On the relief side, Jake McGee and Brad Boxberger have drawn widespread interest from several teams looking to reinforce the back end of their bullpen, and the Cubs fit that description according to recent reports.

Tampa Bay has already dealt Nathan Karns to the Mariners but it’s possible the club could continue to trade from its starting pitching reserves. One would think that it would take one of the Rays’ more established arms (Jake Odorizzi, Matt Moore, Drew Smyly or possibly Erasmo Ramirez) to land a major power prospect like Baez, and it’s also probably safe to assume that Chris Archer continues to be unavailable in trade talks.

Baez was the ninth overall pick of the 2011 draft and a consensus top-seven prospect heading into the 2014 season. He has yet to make an impact in his brief time at the MLB level, however, as Baez has posted a .201/.252/.346 slash line and 10 homers in 309 career plate appearances, with a whopping 119 strikeouts. He struck out at a near-record rate in 2014, so while he improved in that department in 2015, Baez almost had nowhere to go but up. That propensity for swinging and missing has also been apparent at the minor league level (426 K’s in 1678 PA) but Baez has also crushed minor league pitching to the tune of an .888 OPS and 89 homers.

Baez was drafted as a shortstop but has seen time at second and third as the Cubs have tried to find him a position amidst their other top youngsters (Kris Bryant and Addison Russell) and Starlin Castro. With the Rays, Evan Longoria is locked into third and Logan Forsythe emerged at second last year, so Baez’s best fit is likely back at short, though they did just get Brad Miller from Seattle. Baez could also see some time at DH or possibly even first, even how the Rays are traditionally flexible position-wise.

 

[CSF77]

So if they did Cobb for Baez. He would start the season on the shelf but could be a cost controlled starting pitcher they wanted.

Not sure how I feel about it. Never know if he will be the same guy. Age is 23 so like that part. Still trading a guy that can play for a DL case is questionable at best. I would want a CF that can play every day also. Toss them Vogelbach. Call it a day. Cubs don't need another SP right now shelving on is fine. But to sell Baez they need a everyday CF in return not a shelved pitcher.

 

[beckdawg]

Jayson Stark ✔ @jaysonst
Hearing tonight that Marlins think they're making progress with unspecified team. But a deal still appears unlikely https://twitter.com/buster_espn/status/674011413585743873 …

Buster OlneyVerified account
‏@Buster_ESPN
Source said this morning pegged odds of a Jose Fernandez trade at 1%. Now: "I'd push that into the 40s(%)." MIA can get a lot in return.

 

[chibears55]

So if they did Cobb for Baez. He would start the season on the shelf but could be a cost controlled starting pitcher they wanted.

Not sure how I feel about it. Never know if he will be the same guy. Age is 23 so like that part. Still trading a guy that can play for a DL case is questionable at best. I would want a CF that can play every day also. Toss them Vogelbach. Call it a day. Cubs don't need another SP right now shelving on is fine. But to sell Baez they need a everyday CF in return not a shelved pitcher.

If they trade Baez and or Soler it better be for a healthy long term player in return. .

Those are their biggest chips right now, can't waste them on hopefuls. ..