Winter Meeting (Trades)

[Parade_Rain]

I'm talking zobrist versatility.


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Zobrist is also a switch hitter. Baez not so much, but Baez can play anywhere on the field, IMHO. I would like to not trade Baez or Soler, but if they sign Heyward, I'm OK with them trading Soler.

 

[beckdawg]

I'm talking zobrist versatility.


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It would sort of be a shame that someone with Baez's talent being relegated to a reserve role. I have minced no words about Baez but I said the same thing about Alcantara prior to this past year.

 

[SilenceS]

I think people forget that Maddon loved the versatility. The Cubs took off because of the versatility. Maddon was able to put our young hitters in the best scenarios for them. It allowed them to succeed while hiding their faults. They still come out because they are young but it minimized it tremendously


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[czman]

10:27 a.m.: The Padres reportedly are going to get Jon Jay from the Cardinals in the trade for Jedd Gyorko, per ESPN’s Keith Law.

 

[czman]

Motte deal with #Rockies: Two years, $10M, per source.

The price of 7th inning guys has gone up.

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

Wow $5M/year for Motte? He had some nice innings for us but doesn't he have a seriously limited pitch repertoire -- even for a RP? As in, one pitch LOL.

 

[JimJohnson]

Exactly. Baez can play virtually any position. To think that we won't have an injury somewhere is short sided.
And what exactly are we going to do with six starter and several in the pen that could move up to starting? You aren't going to get a bag of balls for either Hendricks or Hammel when being forced to move one. How many more games per year to you win by adding a Miller and subtracting either Hendicks or Hammel? Not that many.
And what does Miller do for you in post season?

You say that we will likely have an injury somewhere and Baez can fill in. But then you don't apply the same logic to the pitching staff. Arrieta, Lester, Lackey looks good but Lackey is old and the other 2 could have an injury. Then what? Cahill, Hamels, and Hendricks, dear God that would be a disaster.

 

[Parade_Rain]

You say that we will likely have an injury somewhere and Baez can fill in. But then you don't apply the same logic to the pitching staff. Arrieta, Lester, Lackey looks good but Lackey is old and the other 2 could have an injury. Then what? Cahill, Hamels, and Hendricks, dear God that would be a disaster.

Everything according to you could be a disaster. Hammel, not Hamels. I thought you were a UIUC grad. If so, you should be smart enough to differentiate between Cole Hamels and Jason Hammel. Hendricks is a solid 5th starter.

 

[chibears55]

If their really in on Heyward my guess is their waiting for him to decide before pulling the trigger on a deal that involves either baez or soler...



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[DanTown]

If their really in on Heyward my guess is their waiting for him to decide before pulling the trigger on a deal that involves either baez or soler...



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If they sign Heyward, why trade either guy? I think Soler makes sense if you're saying Heyward can't/won't play CF but if he's willing and able to play CF, there's no incentive to trade either guy to just get a #4 now unless he's good enough to replace Lester as a #2 in a few years. There are only a few guys I'd say fit that bill. I'm not sure Shelby Miller is one of them and Shelby only comes with three years control.

 

[brett05]

I believe that if a team wants Heyward to play CF (A position he has said he won't play), there will be a 10-20% bump per year over the life of the contract for him to accept.

 

[chibears55]

If they sign Heyward, why trade either guy? I think Soler makes sense if you're saying Heyward can't/won't play CF but if he's willing and able to play CF, there's no incentive to trade either guy to just get a #4 now unless he's good enough to replace Lester as a #2 in a few years. There are only a few guys I'd say fit that bill. I'm not sure Shelby Miller is one of them and Shelby only comes with three years control.

I personally think he better suited defensively for RF, though his offensive numbers fit CF

seems like all the arrows are pointing towards them trading for another starter and either Baez or Soler are the bait..
So, I just think if they do get him its to play RF and then they probably use Baez and most likely Cogs in CF this year.

And just because a guy pitches 3rd or 4th in a rotation, that doesn't necessarily mean that the quality of pitcher he is..it could mean the rotation is pretty deep with solid starters..






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[DanTown]

I personally think he better suited defensively for RF, though his offensive numbers fit CF

seems like all the arrows are pointing towards them trading for another starter and either Baez or Soler are the bait..
So, I just think if they do get him its to play RF and then they probably use Baez and most likely Cogs in CF this year.

And just because a guy pitches 3rd or 4th in a rotation, that doesn't necessarily mean that the quality of pitcher he is..it could mean the rotation is pretty deep with solid starters..






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Not all "4th starters" are created equally; I'm just saying that if you're the fourth starter and it comes at the cost of a player with both a high ceiling and being expensive to replace (either Soler with Heyward or Baez with Castro) and that starter isn't a ton better than your current starters (it takes a leap in Miller's ability to see him as much better than either of Hendricks or Hammel), I fail to see the move.

i'd much rather trade Baez+others and get a more sure thing in Tyson Ross than trade Baez for just a Shelby Miller type.

 

[Boobaby1]

If they sign Heyward, why trade either guy? I think Soler makes sense if you're saying Heyward can't/won't play CF but if he's willing and able to play CF, there's no incentive to trade either guy to just get a #4 now unless he's good enough to replace Lester as a #2 in a few years. There are only a few guys I'd say fit that bill. I'm not sure Shelby Miller is one of them and Shelby only comes with three years control.

Well, you have to acquire pitching, and that is one of the best ways to do it without completely emptying the farm.

Apparently, some of the proposals for Fernandez were 5-6 players. Outrageous!

That said, if the Cubs are looking for a number two, the price is going to be steep as well. You need a headliner like Soler or Baez, and then there will be other prospects to be thrown in as well IMO.

 

[DanTown]

Well, you have to acquire pitching, and that is one of the best ways to do it without completely emptying the farm.

Apparently, some of the proposals for Fernandez were 5-6 players. Outrageous!

That said, if the Cubs are looking for a number two, the price is going to be steep as well. You need a headliner like Soler or Baez, and then there will be other prospects to be thrown in as well IMO.

The Cubs don't have an immediate need for pitching. Sure they'd like to upgrade the back probably but at the cost of an everyday MLB hitter, I think I want a guy with a higher ceiling than Shleby Miller. I'd rather take a guy who is a year/two away but more likely to be a TOR than that. I think Shelby Miller profiles (and is) a fairly decent SP. I just don't see him ever being a 5+ WAR pitcher and that's a hole the Cubs have more than they have a hole for a sure 2-3 WAR pitcher.

 

[JimJohnson]

Everything according to you could be a disaster. Hammel, not Hamels. I thought you were a UIUC grad. If so, you should be smart enough to differentiate between Cole Hamels and Jason Hammel. Hendricks is a solid 5th starter.

That just shows you what I think about the guy that I don't even know his name. He sucked for the Cubs last year and I'd like to see him be escorted out of town ASAP. Hendricks is fine at #5, Lackey is more of a #4 at his age. Cubs need someone to stick in the #3 slot, preferably Gray or Salazar.

 

[chibears55]

Not all "4th starters" are created equally; I'm just saying that if you're the fourth starter and it comes at the cost of a player with both a high ceiling and being expensive to replace (either Soler with Heyward or Baez with Castro) and that starter isn't a ton better than your current starters (it takes a leap in Miller's ability to see him as much better than either of Hendricks or Hammel), I fail to see the move.

i'd much rather trade Baez+others and get a more sure thing in Tyson Ross than trade Baez for just a Shelby Miller type.

The thing is, I doubt Heyward signs here or anywhere if it to mainly play CF..

Their getting a SP no matter what so the question is
Would you rather have Soler and whomever they scrap up to play CF
Or
Heyward and probably a Baez/Cogs platoon

I know which way id go..

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[czman]

Unless Heyward's market price plummets I don't see the Cubs making a real attempt at getting him. My guess is that the Cubs trade for a starting pitcher and than use FA or minor trade to get a CF.

Right now I think the Cubs will take a step back in 2016.

 

[JimJohnson]

Unless Heyward's market price plummets I don't see the Cubs making a real attempt at getting him. My guess is that the Cubs trade for a starting pitcher and than use FA or minor trade to get a CF.

Right now I think the Cubs will take a step back in 2016.

Probably a good chance Theo leaves if Ricketts doesn't let him make the moves he wants.

 

[brett05]

Unless Heyward's market price plummets I don't see the Cubs making a real attempt at getting him. My guess is that the Cubs trade for a starting pitcher and than use FA or minor trade to get a CF.

Right now I think the Cubs will take a step back in 2016.

They did win 97 games last year. Really hard for them not to.