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I double checked to insure it was NOT sponsored by the National Dairy Council.:D

Actually I was doing some homework on whey vs. casein when I stumbled upon it. Google is full of articles on supplements, which of course are sponsored by the very manufacturers and distributors of said products. Then they simply pay some sports med Dr. to endorse via vague articles.

And I believe it was you? who convinced me to dump the muscle milk last Spring in favor of raw milk. Someone posted that muscle milk was the worst sup. out there, and he was right...stuff has unacceptably high amounts of metals among other stuff we don't need.
Yep. It was me. Muscle Milk is garbage. I have been sticking with low fat chocolate milk post workout and it's been going great. Stay lean, still gain strength and lost zero muscle. Hard to convince people they are blowing money, but hell yeah great article!
 

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Once when i worked at GNC, some kid came in to buy a protein bar and said he didnt want to get too big from it. I laughed.

Only supplements worth taking are a multi-vitamin, protein powders and creatine mono. Buy online.

Exactly. I have been lifting for a while and have a high metabolism so I am only about 185lbs and a little over 6'. Multis are awesome and can't hurt. Whey or a milk protein (a combo is best) is great after a hard lift to feed the muscles and get lean and clean results. I have a hard time putting on weight so I have tried creatine a few times and it does really help your lifts and gains. However there will be a little water retention and you will lose a little more than half of your gains when you stop. I was around 5% bodyfat before I started and after 2 months of creatine I was around 7% and gained 6 pounds. My bench went from repping 3 plates on each side 8 times to around 13 so I had to in rease the weight to around 345. It was worth it for me for the strength gains and the size will follow.

Those are the only 3 supplements I have tried because I don't wanna cheat and do the sauce like some I have known. Good thread
 

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Exactly. I have been lifting for a while and have a high metabolism so I am only about 185lbs and a little over 6'. Multis are awesome and can't hurt. Whey or a milk protein (a combo is best) is great after a hard lift to feed the muscles and get lean and clean results. I have a hard time putting on weight so I have tried creatine a few times and it does really help your lifts and gains. However there will be a little water retention and you will lose a little more than half of your gains when you stop. I was around 5% bodyfat before I started and after 2 months of creatine I was around 7% and gained 6 pounds. My bench went from repping 3 plates on each side 8 times to around 13 so I had to in rease the weight to around 345. It was worth it for me for the strength gains and the size will follow.

Those are the only 3 supplements I have tried because I don't wanna cheat and do the sauce like some I have known. Good thread

If you get on the "sauce" and cycle on/off properly, you can get off the sauce and still have some sizable gains.
 

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He was referring to creatine mono with the loss of gains.
 
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I was indeed. Roids are tempting, especially to athletes/former athletes. Having seen friends and people on and off them all the time with serious gains and then some losses and resulting behaviors are a trip. People usually get hooked, even recreational users. Clean is the way to go but I have seen several users do them with dedication and for a goal such as winning contests. I respect the discipline and they are sort of a productive drug if done responsibly.

Good diet, lifting, and some running are the way to go.
 

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A guy at work is into this stuff and had me try C4 extreme. It's a pre workout booster. I did notice a difference and felt energetic the whole workout.
 

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Caffeine man. Big cup of coffee, that's all you need. I realize they pack more stimulants into a lot of those pre workout supplements but I worry about my heart exploding.
 

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A guy at work is into this stuff and had me try C4 extreme. It's a pre workout booster. I did notice a difference and felt energetic the whole workout.

Did you experience skin bursting pumps and extreme focus to maximize gainzbro?
 

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Did you experience skin bursting pumps and extreme focus to maximize gainzbro?

Haha! Skin-bursting lol

You should be a writer for those old school B.S. supplement ads where they show before and after pics where they have a fatty and then a different person who did roids in the other. Such false advertising and poor suckers
 

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Yep. It was me. Muscle Milk is garbage. I have been sticking with low fat chocolate milk post workout and it's been going great. Stay lean, still gain strength and lost zero muscle. Hard to convince people they are blowing money, but hell yeah great article!

Do you worry about the sugar in the Chocolate Milk? I feel like I am way too carb sensitive to consume much sugar without blowing up (in a bad way).
 

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Do you worry about the sugar in the Chocolate Milk? I feel like I am way too carb sensitive to consume much sugar without blowing up (in a bad way).

Oberweis Chocolate Milk - No additional Sugar added. There are still some sugar carbs but minimal. And the milk won't be overly sweet which I can't stand.
 

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During my undergrad days, learned a lot from my sports nutrition professor (she is a scientific adviser on the International Society of Sports Nutrition Advisory Boards, in case you are interested). She also specialized in the effects of caffeine and performance at the time, since it was brought up in a previous post. Here’s some good tidbits I learned:

-Excessive vitamin intake will give you really expensive urine. Stick to the multivitamin if your diet is lacking. Fat soluble vitamins (such as D, E, K, and A) can build in your system and cause side effects. I still take 500 mg extra vitamin C per day, and split them in half as the body can only really absorb half that.

-Proper nutrition and enough sleep are superior to cutting corners.

-There is research indicating caffeine prior to performance is helpful. One of the neat things they think it does is exhibit (in the right dose) a glycogen sparing effect. IE, it helps the body use fat for fuel. This was based on older studies from the 70’s and 80’s. New information indicates it may be more useful for short term activity, and its endurance properties leans more towards affecting beta endorphins (the things that give you a runner’s high) and cortisol.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10852448

http://www.acsm.org/docs/current-comments/caffeineandexercise.pdf

-Protein intake is as follows:
- 0.8 g/kg (of body weight; just divide your body weight by 2.2 to get kilograms) for normal, moderately active folks
- 1.2 – 1.4 g/kg/day for endurance training
- 1.2 – 1.7 g/kg/day for strength training

So a 180 lb. man would need about 140 grams of protein per day (180/2.2*1.7). As someone else stated already, too much is really not beneficial and can be harmful – not to mention expensive. Besides, if eating mass quantities grew muscle that easily we’d all be walking around with no necks, lol.
Personally, I’m not shy about my copious coffee habit. I eat honey every day for breakfast and sometimes prior to a workout – and swear by it. It is a low-glycemic food, so it is released slowly and also spares glycogen, helping stave off fatigue. There’s also some information indicating eating local honey helps one adapt to local allergens, but I haven’t see any studies to back that up yet.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/547197-what-does-honey-do-for-you-after-you-work-out/

I used to be the poster boy for over-training injuries, so I took joint supplements (glucosamine/chondroitin). I remember a few meta-analysis studies and a really neat one from the Journal of Military medicine – one indicating they were effective in 80% of the population. The cited cartilage regenerative properties and pain relief. However, they need to be taken long term, like months to years. I stopped taking as I got better at not beating my body up as much.

Anyway, sorry about the long read. Hope it helps.
 

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What about knee socks? Any peer reviewed studies on pubmed about the efficacy of those?
 

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