World Series IGT: Chicago Cubs vs. Cleveland Indians Game 4

[Parade_Rain]

Nah, It's not that shocking at all.

He's not very bright.

I think Ted Williams had omeletpants in mind when he said "if you don't think too good, don't think too much."

 

[Omeletpants]

I think Ted Williams had omeletpants in mind when he said "if you don't think too good, don't think too much."

I think BearMick had it right when he said: "Parade Rain is a fucking idiot"

 

[Diehardfan]

I think BearMick had it right when he said: "Parade Rain is a fucking idiot"

What's a Bearmick?

 

[CSF77]

It is more about getting a return in high quality arms. Right now the Cubs pitching prospects are not great. There are question marks up and down and no legit ace in training.

Jake most likely will walk. The most likely result of holding him is getting a sandwich pick. He is not worth what Boras will ask.

Now on Hammel: will they offer him? I doubt it. He had 2 years of him falling off the 2nd half. I kinda like the sign and trade idea but I really don't see it.

Why I like Montgomery as a 5. It is pretty simple. He does both. Starts and pitches out of the pen. The play offs drop to a 4 man rotation. Makes perfect sense.

So at that point you are looking at Jake's 1 year being replaced by Hill. To be honest here. Hill had blister issues but he was more dominate than Arrieta this year. Just the ERA alone is a indicator. Believe me 5 years ago I forgot about him as he was another could have been Cub. But seeing how he has finally figured it out. I would be happy to see him close out his career as a Cub.

So it has little to do with Jake vs Rich next year. It has more to do with keeping the train rolling over the next 5-7 years.

 

[Omeletpants]

Isn't Hill 49 years old?

 

[Diehardfan]

It is more about getting a return in high quality arms. Right now the Cubs pitching prospects are not great. There are question marks up and down and no legit ace in training.

Jake most likely will walk. The most likely result of holding him is getting a sandwich pick. He is not worth what Boras will ask.

Now on Hammel: will they offer him? I doubt it. He had 2 years of him falling off the 2nd half. I kinda like the sign and trade idea but I really don't see it.

Why I like Montgomery as a 5. It is pretty simple. He does both. Starts and pitches out of the pen. The play offs drop to a 4 man rotation. Makes perfect sense.

So at that point you are looking at Jake's 1 year being replaced by Hill. To be honest here. Hill had blister issues but he was more dominate than Arrieta this year. Just the ERA alone is a indicator. Believe me 5 years ago I forgot about him as he was another could have been Cub. But seeing how he has finally figured it out. I would be happy to see him close out his career as a Cub.

So it has little to do with Jake vs Rich next year. It has more to do with keeping the train rolling over the next 5-7 years.

Quit aging this team. Thankfully Cubs management has enough sense to avoid patchwork....take that act to the south side. They live and breathe with back of their career players.

 

[greg23]

It is more about getting a return in high quality arms. Right now the Cubs pitching prospects are not great. There are question marks up and down and no legit ace in training.

Jake most likely will walk. The most likely result of holding him is getting a sandwich pick. He is not worth what Boras will ask.

Now on Hammel: will they offer him? I doubt it. He had 2 years of him falling off the 2nd half. I kinda like the sign and trade idea but I really don't see it.

Why I like Montgomery as a 5. It is pretty simple. He does both. Starts and pitches out of the pen. The play offs drop to a 4 man rotation. Makes perfect sense.

So at that point you are looking at Jake's 1 year being replaced by Hill. To be honest here. Hill had blister issues but he was more dominate than Arrieta this year. Just the ERA alone is a indicator. Believe me 5 years ago I forgot about him as he was another could have been Cub. But seeing how he has finally figured it out. I would be happy to see him close out his career as a Cub.

So it has little to do with Jake vs Rich next year. It has more to do with keeping the train rolling over the next 5-7 years.

No problem with Montgomery as the 5th vs Hammel but usually will need 6;starters to get thru a year
No way do I want rich hill....esp at the expense of arrieta even ifs only for 1 year.

 

[CSF77]

Quit aging this team. Thankfully Cubs management has enough sense to avoid patchwork....take that act to the south side. They live and breathe with back of their career players.

Lefties with big curves last longer into their careers. He has pretty much gone to a primary curveball pitcher and that is when this run of success started.

Add to it you are looking at the short term view. Yes Jake=> Rich adds 5 years to the roster. But Jake and a package to get a quality return of arms. Then you are helping your self on the back end when they need to replace Rich and John.

Now if they do nothing: Jake walks after 17. They get most likely the 34th pick to go along with their pick. The system's best is Ceace who is a injury risk due to his body type. De la Rosa is what 26 now in A ball. Most likely 28 when he is ready. Kinda old starting age. Then Underwood. Didn't really look the part this year. Add to it most likely starts in Tenn.

It goes on. For the most part Their process of adding 2nd rate talent filler picks is just that. Rob Z is the first pitcher to make it that they drafted and he is a MR. That is the reality.

 

[Raskolnikov]

If your goal is to win the WS next year Arrietta gives you the best chance than any of the combos mentioned here

Another thing we agree on.

At 10,000 a seat...for the love of god pay the man. Inexcusable if they don't, particularly because they had money for Hewyard, a player many were wary of here even as it went down.

220 mil for a defensive outfielder but not for your Cy Young? Makes no sense.

 

[Raskolnikov]

10,000 x 70,000 is 700,000,000 per game. **** the Rickets, I don't want to hear shit about money.

 

[Omeletpants]

Another thing we agree on.

At 10,000 a seat...for the love of god pay the man. Inexcusable if they don't, particularly because they had money for Hewyard, a player many were wary of here even as it went down.

220 mil for a defensive outfielder but not for your Cy Young? Makes no sense.

Especially when the alternative they proposes is an old man like Rich Hill. That is the wrong direction

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Another thing we agree on.

At 10,000 a seat...for the love of god pay the man. Inexcusable if they don't, particularly because they had money for Hewyard, a player many were wary of here even as it went down.

220 mil for a defensive outfielder but not for your Cy Young? Makes no sense.

Cubs don't get 10,000 per seat, most of that goes to scalpers/ticket brokers.

 

[Parade_Rain]

10,000 x 70,000 is 700,000,000 per game. **** the Rickets, I don't want to hear shit about money.

And we don't want you in our forum. STFU.

 

[czman]

I know this will rub some people the wrong way, but Contreras has been awful behind the plate and should not be back there. He has ~8 games back there and 4 errors with 4 wild pitches. The other two catchers have ~6 games and have 0 errors or wild pitches. Contreras is not ready to be a catcher. His framing and getting strikes is well below the other two. His blocking has not been good. His ability to just catch the ball has not been good. He has 2 throwing errors and 2 catchers interference.

He should not be starting anymore. In his last 15 PA he has 1 hit and 2 walks. I guess it makes sense to start him from a getting experience to young players standpoint. He needs a lot more seasoning before he even becomes an average major league catcher.

Lastly, he makes to much of a show behind the plate and with his mound vistas. I am not as high on him as some. He needs to learn to be a lot more subdued.

We have to add a passball now.

 

[CSF77]

Especially when the alternative they proposes is an old man like Rich Hill. That is the wrong direction

He only has 610 innings on his arm in 12 years. He would be 37 but this is not a 37 yo that avg 200 inning per like a lot of vet starters do.

Take Lackey. 38 now and at 2667 IP. He has lost velocity but that has to do with wear and tear over a career.

Zambrano was a example of innings were a larger factor than age. He was in his prime when his velocity dropped. But at that point his innings reached 1800 at the age of 30.

Age is a factor but wear and tear is a larger one. Add to it the age factor is over rated. Just look atBartolo Colon. He is better now with less stuff. Was a 98 mph power pitcher who was like Zambrano. Good but not great. Now he is winning and putting up quality numbers way past his shelf life. Due to being a pitcher now.

A part of me feels that Rich is just starting his career.