Would you Trade Caleb Williams for Soon to be 2x MVP Lamar Jackson??

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Makes no difference.

Bears fans expect fields to have 4k yards and 30 tds passing yearly. Otherwise he's just not good enough. @Rise

Doesnt matter if the MVP doesnt even have those numbers, and the backup to the mvp race last year(Hurts) didnt have those numbers.

Why am I tagged in this? Sorry if I doubt think Fields is as good as 2023 Lamar or 2022 Hurts. Or more than half the league in all 3 years he has started.

“It’s everyone else’s fault but Fields, he is great because I base my thoughts on emotions.”

I don’t want to be in this conversation anymore. I’m never changing your mind and you aren’t changing mine.
 

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Can't go by that cause some QBs are just holding the ball much longer than others.

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2 QBs left in the playoffs saw more pressure than Fields. What's so special about them? Their extremely low % of pressures turned into sacks. Only ~ 10% of pressures result in sacks in the case of Josh Allen. Only ~ 11% of pressures result in sacks with Patrick Mahomes. Compare that to the ~ 19% of pressures that result in sacks with Fields. Quite a difference.
ok lets go by the eye test,.....the Bears oline pass blocking sucks...it needs to get better. at least middle of the pack.....

If you believe the Bears pass blocking was decent, you need help

Pressure cause disruptions in pass plays...its not just about sacks...I would hope you understand this...
 

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That's like people who say they don't test well. You don't test well cause you're stupid...
Oh ok then. Eli Manning is a better Qb than Favre due to Eli having two rings and less interceptions
 

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Oh ok then. Eli Manning is a better Qb than Favre due to Eli having two rings and less interceptions
I've always thought Favre was overrated. He has no right being mentioned in the same breath as other GOAT candidates. It's good you put him on Eli's level. That's where he belongs.
 

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I've always thought Favre was overrated. He has no right being mentioned in the same breath as other GOAT candidates. It's good you put him on Eli's level. That's where he belongs.
Is Eli better though? I pulled to obscure stats out to prove it
 

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I've always thought Favre was overrated. He has no right being mentioned in the same breath as other GOAT candidates. It's good you put him on Eli's level. That's where he belongs.
You are obviously biased by stats over watching the actual games if you are saying Favre was on Eli Mannings level.
 

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I can’t speak for others, but I don’t think Fields is trash. He’s certainly capable of having good games, so I would never call him trash. I’m just saying, yes, that can be the difference between a good quarterback and a sub-par quarterback.
Fields rating is trash, but he he has up and down games which puts him there--usually terrible games against better teams.
 

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You are obviously biased by stats over watching the actual games if you are saying Favre was on Eli Mannings level.
Really? Stats are a lot alike with the 2. Favre had some real good years and just as many real bad ones. In that way, both were the same. 2 rings to 1 gives Eli an edge, especially w/5 years less playing time. Also used less drugs and sent no dick pics.
 

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Can't go by that cause some QBs are just holding the ball much longer than others.

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2 QBs left in the playoffs saw more pressure than Fields. What's so special about them? Their extremely low % of pressures turned into sacks. Only ~ 10% of pressures result in sacks in the case of Josh Allen. Only ~ 11% of pressures result in sacks with Patrick Mahomes. Compare that to the ~ 19% of pressures that result in sacks with Fields. Quite a difference.
Fields is at least # 1 at something.
 

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Would you want Caleb or Lamar nexx year? Would the Ravenz even trade Lamar for Calebz?

JUST a FYI:

Justin Fields vs. Lamar Jackson last 17 games.

One is about to win his 2nd MVP, the other is trash according to mouth breathing window lickers:

Fields: 29 total TD
4,192 total yards
19 giveaways
84.7 rating

Jackson: 24 total TD
4,449 total yards
15 giveaways
94.3 rating

That is an amazing set of stats. Whats most amazing is how wrong it is.

Lamar Jackson has
33TD's
4751 Yards
103 passer rating
Sure that includes his last playoff game, but remove it and add in his 4 pass 2022 injury game as #17 and his passer rating is still 102.7.
That tweet is just bullshit.

He has the 4th highest passer rating this season, JF 22nd, 3rd lowest INT % to JF 22nd, 6th highest TD % to JF 17th and 8th Comp % to JFs 29th.

But keep telling yourself how alike they are.
 

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Is Eli better though? I pulled to obscure stats out to prove it
Should he get credit for 2 SB wins to Favre's 1? Yes. When Packers won that 1 SB, they had the #1 defense in the league. When Giants won those 2 SBs, they had the #17 and #25 defense.

In conclusion, Favre was just a more overrated media darling. Was also an egotistical drug addict.
 

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Really? Stats are a lot alike with the 2. Favre had some real good years and just as many real bad ones. In that way, both were the same. 2 rings to 1 gives Eli an edge, especially w/5 years less playing time. Also used less drugs and sent no dick pics.
🤣 Off field shenanigans aside, Eli was an average QB. Wins as a QB Stat is propaganda. If all it took to determine if a player is good or bad was a stat, gambling wouldn't be legal. Just pick the QB with the better stats and collect the payout.
 

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