Yankees want Schwarber for Andrew Miller?

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Heyward CF
Schwarber LF
Bryant RF
Contreras C
Baez 3B
Russell SS

i want this

Think reality is:

Zobrist 2B
Heyward RF
Bryant 3B
Rizzo 1B
Contreras C
Schwarber LF
Russell SS
Almora CF

Baez bench
Montero back up catcher.

That is a pretty good bet over all. They could still keep Soler and do a strait platoon in left. Won't kill the team at all and provides injury depth. I'm not a fan of him sticking health playing full time anyways.

The thing is you are going to want plus D in the OF to cover the short comings in left.

On Baez. He gets around 3 starts per week. Him on the bench is a huge reason why this team has absorbed these injuries.
 

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The fact that you are even going here is the problem. I see it as you are not a fan of his. You are looking at his flaws and justifying the need to off him. That is the real issue here. You are selling off a potential top 10 bat due to what ever reason.

The Cubs do not have this huge need going on to justify it. Next year they can retain the same rotation while more of the pitching in the pipe is developing. That is why I thought renting Chapman would be fine. He should not cost the future and can be gone.

I'm a huge fan of his...

I just don't see him being an everyday player in LF with the Cubs down the road....

I could be wrong, but his defense, his built and now the knees is a concern ...

Then add in the possibility of Bryant eventually moving to LF and Baez taking over at 3B everyday..

Somebody eventually getting moved besides Soler..

I don't think they move him this deadline though...
But it might be something Epstein may consider if he gets an offer he can't refuse in off season...


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I would maybe start thinking that Almora would be the bench guy. Playing against lefties and platooning center. Putting Baez on the bench with his bat and defense doesnt make much sense to put Almora for just defense.
 

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I love Baez at 3rd and would love to see him there everyday, BUT.... where do you put Bryant, he's fine in left but isn't there a logjam in the outfield when everyone is healthy?
 

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Well I want Miller for Vogelbach. It's good to want things in life
 

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No, **** no, fucking **** no

Heard the local radio guys talking about this exact trade. <shrugs> I love Schwarber's bat, but not sure where he plays. He's a liability in the OF.

Who would you trade to get relief help? And really, we need another starting pitcher as well.
 

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Heard the local radio guys talking about this exact trade. <shrugs> I love Schwarber's bat, but not sure where he plays. He's a liability in the OF.

Who would you trade to get relief help? And really, we need another starting pitcher as well.

The local radio guys are probably Special person. Both players have massive potential for a 3 month rental who has issues with people and a lefty that is going to pitch 70 innings a year. Add into it how volatile relievers are and how much the league covets offense. No thanks. Ill hold onto them and go for a young cost-controlled pitcher. Now, Soler could be part of a deal, but no way both for relievers.

Also, Schwarber is no more a liability in the OF then Ryan Braun, Matt Holiday, Wilson Contreras, and a plethora of other guys. People are way over exaggerating this. A doctor talked about his surgery and there is no indication of any nerve damage and he would probably have no issues catching again. He said his first year back will be a little uncomfortable and he would have to continue to rehab the knee because thats what you have to do, but the next year. It wouldnt be any different than before the injury.
 

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If Joe put Wood, Strop and who ever else in left I'm guessing it is pretty over rated. Swear Sori played there for years giving bad routes. Sure he had a plus arm but that is not the issue.

S: it would be more about protecting Kyle than anything. Add to it, could you stomach a OF of Kyle, Heyward, Bryant. I for one would have nightmares over it.
 

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I'm a huge fan of his...

I just don't see him being an everyday player in LF with the Cubs down the road....

I could be wrong, but his defense, his built and now the knees is a concern ...

Then add in the possibility of Bryant eventually moving to LF and Baez taking over at 3B everyday..

Somebody eventually getting moved besides Soler..

I don't think they move him this deadline though...
But it might be something Epstein may consider if he gets an offer he can't refuse in off season...


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If you are a fan then have faith. Who knows, this year off may help him get the catching issue going on. He can't hit but he can scout players and see how the staff is handled. Add to it we don't know the recovery rates of guys in his situation. That would be a Dr issue. But I've heard nothing that suggests that he won't recover fully.
 

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If Joe put Wood, Strop and who ever else in left I'm guessing it is pretty over rated. Swear Sori played there for years giving bad routes. Sure he had a plus arm but that is not the issue.

S: it would be more about protecting Kyle than anything. Add to it, could you stomach a OF of Kyle, Heyward, Bryant. I for one would have nightmares over it.

What would be wrong with it? Bryant could probably turn into a really good RF. I mean he is built for it. Heyward in Center is still plus. Schwarber is adequate in left. Think about the offensive side? You could possibly have two OF hitting 35 plus homers year in and year out. You could also still catch Schwarber one day a week and give him work at first if Rizzo needs rest. The cubs play in a small OF for half their games.
 

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What would be wrong with it? Bryant could probably turn into a really good RF. I mean he is built for it. Heyward in Center is still plus. Schwarber is adequate in left. Think about the offensive side? You could possibly have two OF hitting 35 plus homers year in and year out. You could also still catch Schwarber one day a week and give him work at first if Rizzo needs rest. The cubs play in a small OF for half their games.

Bryant is avg as a defender. Kyle I'm not sure has the instincts to play plus D. He puts max effort but you could say a rhino charging into a wall gave max effort too.
 

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Bryant is avg as a defender. Kyle I'm not sure has the instincts to play plus D. He puts max effort but you could say a rhino charging into a wall gave max effort too.
That would be a slow outfield...

Majority of balls down line and in gap would fall in or end up going to wall.

Schwarber has very little range , Heyward and Bryant are about Average.

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Schwarber may have a hard time finding a spot on the field next year. What is he going to play? LF? C?

What about:

Schwarber + Soler
for
Miller + Chapman

I think Schwarber maybe be a DH at some point. I'd hate to lose him though.

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That would be a slow outfield...

Majority of balls down line and in gap would fall in or end up going to wall.

Schwarber has very little range , Heyward and Bryant are about Average.

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Bryant has just as much speed and range as Fowler
 

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That would be a slow outfield...

Majority of balls down line and in gap would fall in or end up going to wall.

Schwarber has very little range , Heyward and Bryant are about Average.

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Heyward has plus range in right
 

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Heyward has plus range in right
Yea, but you had him in CF with Schwarber and Bryant

More ground to cover...
He got range for RF, most likely Avg. in CF

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Yea, but you had him in CF with Schwarber and Bryant

More ground to cover...
He got range for RF, most likely Avg. in CF

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Also said I wouldn't sleep well with it.

Another issue I was looking at. The team is strike out prone.

SO %

Zobrist: 16.6%
Heyward: 25.6%
Bryant: 26.6%
Rizzo: 16.9%
Contreras: 27.3%
Montenero: 26.9%
Russell: 30%


Baez: 24.2%
Almora: 21.4%
Szczur: 23.5%
Ross: 29.4%
Fowler: 25.6%
Soler: 27.7%
LaStella: 19%
Coghlan: 42.8% Yikes....
 

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Makes me think that LaStella is really under valued. This team needs guys that put the ball into play more. Almora is doing pretty well there all things considered. Contreras under 30% is remarkable. Russell is a red flag to me. Cog you can see why he is not getting playing time anymore. Soler should be under 25% at this point. Over rated with too many holes in his game. Fowler should be closer to 20% but with what he does do makes up for it. Zobrist and Rizzo are remarkable hitters.
 

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Also said I wouldn't sleep well with it.

Another issue I was looking at. The team is strike out prone.

SO %

Zobrist: 16.6%
Heyward: 25.6%
Bryant: 26.6%
Rizzo: 16.9%
Contreras: 27.3%
Montenero: 26.9%
Russell: 30%


Baez: 24.2%
Almora: 21.4%
Szczur: 23.5%
Ross: 29.4%
Fowler: 25.6%
Soler: 27.7%
LaStella: 19%
Coghlan: 42.8% Yikes....
Which is why come playoff you have to hope for best matchup

Don't want to face a team like Nationals or Mets who top starters are strikeout pitchers

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