You can want Poles gone for many reasons, but blaming him for...

[Dstone5553]

There is no way the McCaskey's were willing to write checks for 3 years for ME to sit at the beach. Firing him was never the GMs option.

I think it's really funny that there is anyone out there who actually thinks George makes any decisions at this point. Like they imagine Poles going into George's office, telling him the best thing for the Chicago Bears is for them to let Matt go and George says something like "I'm not sure Ryan, I just don't really want to do that."

It's fucking asinine, right?

George would have fired Eberflus after the Washington game if Poles said he thinks that's what this organization should do.

I can't really believe there are people who think otherwise. Decisions like this was was always Poles' decision, it is Poles' decision right now and it will be Poles' decision going forward for as long as Poles is the GM. Warren has a say, not George. Sure, it's George's money but he listens to the GM, not the other way around.

 

[ijustposthere]

Yes he beat teams at similar talent levels and lost to teams with far superior talent.

sure bud. Fact of the matter is his overall record proves you're wrong, as did the fact they fired him because he lost the locker room.

 

[iueyedoc]

I think it's really funny that there is anyone out there who actually thinks George makes any decisions at this point. Like they imagine Poles going into George's office, telling him the best thing for the Chicago Bears is for them to let Matt go and George says something like "I'm not sure Ryan, I just don't really want to do that."

It's fucking asinine, right?

George would have fired Eberflus after the Washington game if Poles said he thinks that's what this organization should do.

I can't really believe there are people who think otherwise. Decisions like this was was always Poles' decision, it is Poles' decision right now and it will be Poles' decision going forward for as long as Poles is the GM. Warren has a say, not George. Sure, it's George's money but he listens to the GM, not the other way around.

It was literally reported today that they allowed the Flus press conference because Poles had to meet with Warren and George before firing FLus.

 

[iueyedoc]

He had one of the worst 4th quarter QBs who contributed to a lot of the losses.

What made this year different is Caleb balled out at the end of games so it removed any doubt as to whether it was mostly coaching failures.

If Fields was as good in the 4th as Caleb has been then Flus probably does get fired last year.

So you are blaming Fields for the late defensive collapses blowing 3 double digit leads? OK

 

[ijustposthere]

Remy, after rescinding his initial assertion once completely being proven 110% wrong by the Bears, now back to defending Flus for the sake of contrarianism.

 

[Dstone5553]

It was literally reported today that they allowed the Flus press conference because Poles had to meet with Warren and George before firing FLus.

That does not translate into Poles had to get George's permission to do what Poles wanted to do. He had to meet with him and tell him what he wanted to do and then do it.

Make sense?

I'm not saying Poles doesn't put it in a way to get George to say "I agree, let's do this" or something like that but George isn't going to disagree with Poles on this. Not in a million years. You actually think he would?

As I said, Poles could have wanted to do this much earlier and George would have gone along if it's what Poles told him was best for the Chicago Bears.

 

[Chicago Staleys]

That 6 billion is imaginary money until they sell. The poorest owners in the NFL that had never paid more than 1 yr of dead contract weren't cutting bait 2 years into a 5 yr contract.

Both Trestman and Wandstedt had more than 1 year left.

Warren wanted him gone. Flus’s 3.5 mil a year wasn’t an issue

 

[remydat]

sure bud. Fact of the matter is his overall record proves you're wrong, as did the fact they fired him because he lost the locker room.

We were talking about 2023 sir not 2024.

Remy, after rescinding his initial assertion once completely being proven 110% wrong by the Bears, now back to defending Flus for the sake of contrarianism.

This isn't my thread. The OP started a thread about why Flus was allowed to return this year. I didn't make the decision to retain Flus. Poles did and I gave my answer as to why.

You guys can't think clearly with your Flus Derangement Syndrome. The question is why Poles stuck with Flus and I think it is entirely possible Poles did so because he knew he tore down the team and felt it would be judging Flus too harshly to fire him.

You have offered no rebuttal except to cry about me answering the question the OP poses. It doesn't matter if you don't like the reason. The question is whether it is possible that was Poles thinking.

 

[Moses Moreno]

He had one of the worst 4th quarter QBs who contributed to a lot of the losses.

What made this year different is Caleb balled out at the end of games so it removed any doubt as to whether it was mostly coaching failures.

If Fields was as good in the 4th as Caleb has been then Flus probably does get fired last year.

Flus fucking sucked, dude.

 

[Myk]

I think it's really funny that there is anyone out there who actually thinks George makes any decisions at this point. Like they imagine Poles going into George's office, telling him the best thing for the Chicago Bears is for them to let Matt go and George says something like "I'm not sure Ryan, I just don't really want to do that."

It's fucking asinine, right?

George would have fired Eberflus after the Washington game if Poles said he thinks that's what this organization should do.

I can't really believe there are people who think otherwise. Decisions like this was was always Poles' decision, it is Poles' decision right now and it will be Poles' decision going forward for as long as Poles is the GM. Warren has a say, not George. Sure, it's George's money but he listens to the GM, not the other way around.

I think it's really funny that anyone thinks McCaskeys don't have say in every decision after 40 years of the same problems. There's literally only one constant to blame and it's McCaskeys.

If they were to back off and be silent owners we would see something change with the coaching and GM changes.

 

[remydat]

Flus fucking sucked, dude.

Correct and the point is Caleb made that obvious because he is actually good in the 4th quarter. Fields wasn't.

 

[Dstone5553]

I think it's really funny that anyone thinks McCaskeys don't have say in every decision after 40 years of the same problems. There's literally only one constant to blame and it's McCaskeys.

If they were to back off and be silent owners we would see something change with the coaching and GM changes.

George McCaskey is a yes man to this GM and every GM that comes after him. George knows he doesn't know shit about shit and will do whatever Poles or the next GM says. Since George knows he knows shit about shit he doesn't have any strong opinions. If Poles wants Eberflus gone, Eberflus is gone.


Now don't get me wrong, George is a terrible owner. He asked Poles to consider Eberflus for the head coaching job. That in itself is horrendous. But I would be anything it wasn't George who like Matt, it was someone else who told George Matt would make a good coach and George listened. That's my opinion.

So yes, of course this team has had fucking horrendous ownership since Halas gave up the reigns. And that is the main reason this team has been such an embarrassment. But don't kid yourself, George McCaskey is making no decisions about firing a coach or hiring a coach or anything of that ilk right now or in the future, he's listening to his GM and nodding his head.

That is what's going on here right now.

 

[Moses Moreno]

Correct and the point is Caleb made that obvious because he is actually good in the 4th quarter. Fields wasn't.

Fields has been good in the 4th this year.

The entire team being bad in situational football entirely falls on Eberflus.

 

[remydat]

Fields has been good in the 4th this year.

The entire team being bad in situational football entirely falls on Eberflus.

Ok take off your Fields covered glass for a moment. No one gives a shit about how Fields performed this year. The point is simple.

1. Even if Flus was at fault last year, Fields being a shitty 4th quarter QB allowed Flus to argue that the problems in the 4th quarter were Fields fault. Doesn't matter if it is true or not, it is a reasonable argument to make when your QB sucks in the 4th.

2. Flus could not make that argument this year because Caleb brought the team back several times in the 4th so his doing so exposed more clearly the fact Flus was the problem.

 

[ijustposthere]

Correct and the point is Caleb made that obvious because he is actually good in the 4th quarter. Fields wasn't.

This is such a ridiculous assertion

 

[mecha]

So you are blaming Fields for the late defensive collapses blowing 3 double digit leads? OK

reposting for emphasis lol

however..

Fields collapsing in the 4th quarter would suggest that he's just not clutch at playing from behind. the Steelers right now are 7th in total defense, they're not blowing games like the Eberflus Bears did when Fields was with the team. considering the narrow losses in 2024 I guess the Bears defense is improved? their TDs allowed are on par with the #1 Eagles.

I'll still defend Poles as GM. lest we forget he had to rebalance the books (cut a lot of good players) and retool both sides of the ball in a couple years. it's too bad offensive line got cut in the lunch line but apparently it's not as bad as we thought, the OC was at fault for that.

 

[iueyedoc]

That does not translate into Poles had to get George's permission to do what Poles wanted to do. He had to meet with him and tell him what he wanted to do and then do it.

Make sense?

I'm not saying Poles doesn't put it in a way to get George to say "I agree, let's do this" or something like that but George isn't going to disagree with Poles on this. Not in a million years. You actually think he would?

As I said, Poles could have wanted to do this much earlier and George would have gone along if it's what Poles told him was best for the Chicago Bears.

Agree to disagree

 

[Moses Moreno]

reposting for emphasis lol

however..

Fields collapsing in the 4th quarter would suggest that he's just not clutch at playing from behind. the Steelers right now are 7th in total defense, they're not blowing games like the Eberflus Bears did when Fields was with the team. considering the narrow losses in 2024 I guess the Bears defense is improved? their TDs allowed are on par with the #1 Eagles.

I'll still defend Poles as GM. lest we forget he had to rebalance the books (cut a lot of good players) and retool both sides of the ball in a couple years. it's too bad offensive line got cut in the lunch line but apparently it's not as bad as we thought, the OC was at fault for that.

Fields scored on two minute drives and had them roaring back against Indy, he's significantly better than what Eberflus got out of him.

Monty was beloved here and left because it was a fucking mess. Mooney literally went MIA in the last two games of the year last year and nobody said anything -he's fucking playing better in Atlanta. Brisker has been going NUTS on Twitter and today said he's back on grass meaning the concussion stuff was related to him not wanting to play for Eberflus.

Brisker is a winner. Monty is a winner. Mooney was limited but a dude here for a minute. They all wanted out - this dude fucking sucked.

These dudes aren't assholes but they had to become that just to let the GM know that this dude sucks. They're going to get red hot here because they're really freaking talented.

 

[jsu34]

Fields has been good in the 4th this year.

The entire team being bad in situational football entirely falls on Eberflus.

Fields at one point was actually tops in the league in the 4th quarter this season.

If that doesn't point to systemic problems in Chicago I don't know what else could make it clearer. Coaching is/was the problem here.

Tomlin >>>> Flus
Smith >>>>>>>>>Getsy/Waldron (Caleb struggled under Waldron)

 

[IBleedBearsBlood]

Fields has been good in the 4th this year.

The entire team being bad in situational football entirely falls on Eberflus.

I can imagine Caleb in his 4th year if he’s doing this in his rookie year…