You can want Poles gone for many reasons, but blaming him for...

[jsu34]

I can imagine Caleb in his 4th year if he’s doing this in his rookie year…

He's going be really good.

 

[Moses Moreno]

I can imagine Caleb in his 4th year if he’s doing this in his rookie year…

Not comparing them at all. Caleb's been fucking money in the 4th this year - he's going to be really fucking good but Eberflus was a weight on this franchise's neck for the last 3 years. He held Justin back, he was holding Caleb back.

 

[Myk]

George McCaskey is a yes man to this GM and every GM that comes after him. George knows he doesn't know shit about shit and will do whatever Poles or the next GM says. Since George knows he knows shit about shit he doesn't have any strong opinions. If Poles wants Eberflus gone, Eberflus is gone.


Now don't get me wrong, George is a terrible owner. He asked Poles to consider Eberflus for the head coaching job. That in itself is horrendous. But I would be anything it wasn't George who like Matt, it was someone else who told George Matt would make a good coach and George listened. That's my opinion.

So yes, of course this team has had fucking horrendous ownership since Halas gave up the reigns. And that is the main reason this team has been such an embarrassment. But don't kid yourself, George McCaskey is making no decisions about firing a coach or hiring a coach or anything of that ilk right now or in the future, he's listening to his GM and nodding his head.

That is what's going on here right now.

No McCaskey owner is a yes man to any of their hirelings and never will be. The McCaskeys believe understanding football is their birthright handed down by blood.

See I can state my unfounded opinion as fact without proving it too.
But mine is most likely right because it follows the natural order of things. Owners are not yes men to their hirelings.

And if they actually were to sit back and shut up nobody hired by them in the last 25 years would be as focused on defense as this team has been.
They come in lately talking about bringing the team into the modern NFL and end up doing the same thing the team has been doing since the McCaskeys, stuff that didn't go on with Papa Bear.
There is only one answer. Only one team doesn't understand the NFL is an offensive game and it wasn't Papa Bears' Bears, it's the McCaskey Bears.

 

[napo55]

An awful lot of exuses being made for Poles here. Now if he was skilled at finding talent in the draft (aside from the top draft choices that are hard to screw up) there might be a rational for keeping him. I wonder if a new head coach will guarantee him three more years?

 

[mecha]

An awful lot of exuses being made for Poles here. Now if he was skilled at finding talent in the draft (aside from the top draft choices that are hard to screw up) there might be a rational for keeping him. I wonder if a new head coach will guarantee him three more years?

maybe I'm not following because I'm not a sports nerd and stalk people on X 19 hours a day, but it looks like Eberflus was the focal point issue here, not Poles?

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

An awful lot of exuses being made for Poles here. Now if he was skilled at finding talent in the draft (aside from the top draft choices that are hard to screw up) there might be a rational for keeping him. I wonder if a new head coach will guarantee him three more years?

Top draft choices that are hard to screw up? Teams score uk those picks all the time. Wtf are you talking about?

 

[IBleedBearsBlood]

Not comparing them at all. Caleb's been fucking money in the 4th this year - he's going to be really fucking good but Eberflus was a weight on this franchise's neck for the last 3 years. He held Justin back, he was holding Caleb back.

I know you ain’t. No worries. But just reading your past post, it made me think what Caleb can do in his 4th year, if he’s doing this in his rookie season.

 

[Dstone5553]

No McCaskey owner is a yes man to any of their hirelings and never will be. The McCaskeys believe understanding football is their birthright handed down by blood.

See I can state my unfounded opinion as fact without proving it too.
But mine is most likely right because it follows the natural order of things. Owners are not yes men to their hirelings.

And if they actually were to sit back and shut up nobody hired by them in the last 25 years would be as focused on defense as this team has been.
They come in lately talking about bringing the team into the modern NFL and end up doing the same thing the team has been doing since the McCaskeys, stuff that didn't go on with Papa Bear.
There is only one answer. Only one team doesn't understand the NFL is an offensive game and it wasn't Papa Bears' Bears, it's the McCaskey Bears.

Yeah but I know your some of your opinions and therefore I know you are not the sharpest tool in the shed.

So it's not surprising you think George fucking McCaskey would actually override the opinion of Poles or Warren. It's beyond obvious he wouldn't at this point but he's the villain in your story so you color everything with that, no matter how stupid it is in reality to any reasonably minded person.

You probably won't ever understand a shit ton of things much less the obvious truth that George doesn't have the confidence in football decisions to override anyone right now. ANYONE. He just doesn't. Poles make the decisions and he goes with them. As he should.

I get that you have absolutely no awareness of your ineptitude in this stuff...and a shit ton of other things I'm guessing.

Feel free to bask in your ignorance. At this point, I'm good with it.

 

[Dstone5553]

Agree to disagree

You actually think George is going to hold strong opinions about football decisions with Poles and use his power to override what Poles thinks is best for the Chicago Bears? At this point in George's tenure?

Okay. Agree to disagree as well.

 

[Dstone5553]

Understand me here, I am not saying the owners of this team are not the problem because they are. I want them to sell this team to someone competent as much as anyone. The only conclusion anyone can come to when it comes to this team's failures is at the top and that's the owners. They are the ones who pick the "adviser" to pick the GM, or to pick 3 GMs to choose from or whatever the frick happens.

What I am saying is that right now, George McCaskey does not override his GM, he goes with the opinion of his GM.

Simple as that.

 

[napo55]

Top draft choices that are hard to screw up? Teams score uk those picks all the time. Wtf are you talking about?

Check out how many first and second rounders make it, versus sixth and seventh rounders. Sure, some top picks fail but the chances of hitting it on a high pick are far better.

 

[ijustposthere]

We were talking about 2023 sir not 2024.



This isn't my thread. The OP started a thread about why Flus was allowed to return this year. I didn't make the decision to retain Flus. Poles did and I gave my answer as to why.

You guys can't think clearly with your Flus Derangement Syndrome. The question is why Poles stuck with Flus and I think it is entirely possible Poles did so because he knew he tore down the team and felt it would be judging Flus too harshly to fire him.

You have offered no rebuttal except to cry about me answering the question the OP poses. It doesn't matter if you don't like the reason. The question is whether it is possible that was Poles thinking.

It was clearly cumulative. Secondly, if Warren and Cunningham did want Flus gone after last year and Poles kept him as rumored, you are wrong again.

Not to mention that there's no reason to offer an actual rebuttal to pure conjecture. The reasoning behind why Poles kept him is not only irrelevant, if what you say turned out to be true then Poles should be fired on the spot for being an idiot. Plenty of teams have bridge coaches that aren't expected to make it through a tear down, and once again it was absolutely clear that Eberflus was not making a difference. His handling of Fields alone should have been a huge red flag to Poles that you did not want this guy anywhere near Williams. There is no room in this business to be a nice guy. With the coaching candidates available last season, you cut bait and try to get someone like Harbaugh and just reset the clock. The fact that he didn't is a larger indictment on Poles than if he had.

 

[doctorbear]

Bears fans are elite at making excuses for incompetent people. Free propaganda arm of the Bears

 

[EDPeezy]

The jury is still out on Poles. Only time will tell. And even then with the ownership and higher ups he works for we might never get a fair and realistic gauge of his abilities.

 

[jsu34]

Understand me here, I am not saying the owners of this team are not the problem because they are. I want them to sell this team to someone competent as much as anyone. The only conclusion anyone can come to when it comes to this team's failures is at the top and that's the owners. They are the ones who pick the "adviser" to pick the GM, or to pick 3 GMs to choose from or whatever the frick happens.

What I am saying is that right now, George McCaskey does not override his GM, he goes with the opinion of his GM.

Simple as that.

Happens all the time. Sometimes owners want what they want.

Blanks marched into the room and demanded that Penix be the next pick

Mara wanted Schoen to keep Saquan and he didn't. Now he's unemployed.

If George felt a certain way he'd make a request and the GM would have to do it. It happens. To think the GM is somehow the boss and has the final say is very naive.

I can't say what happened with the bears as I wasn't in the room but based on history Flus wasn't fired until Friday because of ownership. Last season they may have asked Poles and he suggested keeping at the end of last season, it's almost certain Poles, Warren, or anyone else would have run firing a coach mid season up the flag pole.

Owners make dumb requests sometimes and the GMs have to follow them.

 

[Starion]

We can only speculate, as has & does the media, but it's been very obvious that Poles has been seen visibly upset in his box at the end of these recent blown games. He's even tried to hide it at times, but has been caught showing anger at the shit that's been screwed up game after game. This was also evident last year when he blew those 3+ games that were near statistically certain wins had he not been a bonehead.

We also know how this organization is about firing and about putting on a nice happy perfect facade that all's well & dandy. They would surely want to avoid admitting there's a problem. Nor are these people present in the locker room after these meltdowns to see the frustration. Players went to the coaches first, and who knows if higher up such as Poles, etc. but that's just more speculation.

Poles has been upset with Eber for weeks, that much was clear.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Keeping CTEberflus is just misguided. It is generally accepted that ME got a 5 yr contract, and nothing short of a meltdown of coaching would result in him not getting year 4. Well, he has gone Chernobyl.

There is no way the McCaskey's were willing to write checks for 3 years for ME to sit at the beach. Firing him was never the GMs option.

Only complete national embarrassment has even made a discussion.

@Noonthirtyjoe supports child rape

 

[Myk]

Yeah but I know your some of your opinions and therefore I know you are not the sharpest tool in the shed.

So it's not surprising you think George fucking McCaskey would actually override the opinion of Poles or Warren. It's beyond obvious he wouldn't at this point but he's the villain in your story so you color everything with that, no matter how stupid it is in reality to any reasonably minded person.

You probably won't ever understand a shit ton of things much less the obvious truth that George doesn't have the confidence in football decisions to override anyone right now. ANYONE. He just doesn't. Poles make the decisions and he goes with them. As he should.

I get that you have absolutely no awareness of your ineptitude in this stuff...and a shit ton of other things I'm guessing.

Feel free to bask in your ignorance. At this point, I'm good with it.

You keep spewing out opinion as fact without any proof. You believing something is true doesn't make it true .

It is not George fucking McCaskey, it is the McCaskeys. It is a family business and as far as I know the only family business left in the NFL.
Yeah, Virginia getting pissed never happened. McCaskeys are just silent owners sitting back allowing all these GMs and HCs destroy their multibillion dollar business for the last 40 years with blatant incompetence.
Only one McCaskey at a time in the position to have the final say has any say and is smart enough to not use it, like Papa Bear isn't their birthright.

Warren and Cunningham coming in strongly point to nobody is Poles' yes man, he has McCaskey yes men watching his every move.
Did Poles follow through with his promise of trenches first? No because he's not a true GM.

It's amazing how McCaskeys can only manage to find GMs and HCs who want to build a team contrary to what the NFL has become and what the rule changes favor. Just ignore the one time the GM/HC built the team in a way to match the modern NFL they were fired after 2 years.
Just ignore the times the GMs/HCs come in talking about bringing the Bears into the modern NFL and then go right back to building the McCaskey PR release Bears from the 40s.

 

[Myk]

Nor are these people present in the locker room after these meltdowns to see the frustration.

Are "these people" McCaskeys?

It's very possible they're around the locker rooms after games. They're at the games in the owners boxes. Touring the locker room after the games completes their "living the dream".
I'm not saying they are in there patting butts but I could see it happening.

Who of us with that kind of access available wouldn't flex it even if we were smart enough to be completely silent in all team business matters?

 

[modo]

Keeping CTEberflus is just misguided. It is generally accepted that ME got a 5 yr contract, and nothing short of a meltdown of coaching would result in him not getting year 4. Well, he has gone Chernobyl.

There is no way the McCaskey's were willing to write checks for 3 years for ME to sit at the beach. Firing him was never the GMs option.

Only complete national embarrassment has even made a discussion.

The Bears have a president, and he made it clear it was his decision to keep Eberflus another year.

The Bears need a new president as well. Friday morning was just as bad as Thursday afternoon. That was on Warren.