You can want Poles gone for many reasons, but blaming him for...

[Dstone5553]

I'm the simpleton?
You didn't even go to the website and look did you?
And you believe everything you're told, like a simpleton but call others simpletons? You are the moron who's too stupid to realize you're stupid.
There's 2 sides to every story, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

If Virginia is pissed she tells Warren who tells Poles who tells the coaches who tell the players.

You think Virginia is telling anyone what to do?

Holy shit are you a moron.

You are so clearly one of the dumbest meat heads on here that if you said you thought I knew what I was talking about, I would take that as a pretty big insult because it was coming from you. Does that make sense to your miniscule intellect?

What a gigantic twat you are telling us Virginia is making any football decisions.

 

[Anytime23]

I think there are a multitude of issues with the Bears, ownership being chief among them.

But let's really break it down (long read - if you have a short attention span or an idiot, just skip this post):


* The McCaskey family are NOT your typical "rich" owners. They are basically first generation trust fund kids who inherited daddy's organization and have no idea how to run it. They don't have success in any other aspect of life. They basically milk the Bears for all its worth.

* "The McCaskey's are cheap" - both true and not. I don't think they set out to be cheap, but at the same time, because of their poor management and that the Bears are their only income basically, financial mistakes get magnified. They end up having to hold onto a coach or a GM too long because fiscally, despite owning an asset worth billions, they have no liquid capital to back it up. So they end up having to "eat" bad decisions a year too long.

* "When you sit down to play cards, your first job is to spot the sucker. IF you can't figure out who the sucker is, YOU'RE the sucker." This is the core of the McCaskeys. They go to search firms and OTHER TEAM OWNERS whom they technically are competing against for advice. Because they don't operate on a competitive plane. The McCaskeys think they are at a country club social. By all reports, they DO want to win, but frankly are too stupid, too gullible, and too clueless to do it, and that also includes matters of business - all this time, and they still haven't found ways to generate revenue to buoy potential expensive mistakes that they need to move on from but fiscally can't. THIS is how you end up with arranged marriages and people staying too long.

* Trace Armstrong - Kaplan wasn't wrong when he brought up Armstrong's hold on the McCaskeys, but even then, he didn't dig deep enough. The McCaskeys LOVE their former players - the association makes them feel special (so long as they don't have to pay them directly, hence Olin Kreutz and the famous $15 an hour). The McCaskeys are the type who absolutely would turn to someone like Armstrong to "help them". Does anyone remember the rumors going back even 5-10 years before his retirement that Armstrong may replace Ted Phillips as team president? Likely Armstrong angling for the spot and leaking things, and even though he didn't get the position, Kap covered just how much influence he has with the Bears based on their recent hires. Armstrong has a direct pipeline to the McCaskeys.

I think that paints a pretty good picture of the ineptitude of the McCaskey family.


So - any hope for change?

There actually IS one, but it is pure speculation on my part based on reading body language and what people are saying about the McCaskey's younger generation and the Inheritance tax.

First, let's start with the rumors most people have heard:

When Ginny dies, the inheritance tax will make it next to impossible for the McCaskeys to keep the team. And the other rumor is the kids of the McCaskeys who were in the room for the latest presser do not give a flying eff about the Bears - they basically are like spoiled rich kids and all want the team sold and they all get a cut. This is NOT what the elder McCaskeys want, but they have no choice - that inheritance tax is going to be a real *****, and they can't afford it. The board of directors for the Bears also knows this. The Board most likely leaned on the McCaskeys to face reality and try to get this team right and a stadium built so they can sell for maximum profit.

Somewhere in that process of internal evaluation, they got told by people evaluating the team for sale (it might even have come direct from the NFL) that their operation was basically too fucked up to get top dollar. The Board wouldn't have been happy about that. And Trace Armstrong, for all his ties, doesn't have expertise in that. They needed to hire an outsider.

Enter Kevin Warren.

However Kevin got here, the rhetoric around him is that he was looking for an opportunity to straighten out the Bears organization - likely for sale, imho. That includes the stadium deal, which, yes if we take on face value looks like the Bears don't know what they are doing, but the threat of staying downtown just provided enough leverage that Arlington Heights backed off on its demands and they agreed to the Bears original tax deal.

And the Stadium DOES need to be built in Arlington Heights. In addition to the land of the stadium itself,
there is enough room to build out an entire ecosystem around the stadium much like Wrigleyville has with the rooftops and bars and hotels and restaurants, all of which now are owned by the Ricketts. It actually provides a solution to the McCaskeys' cash flow problem if they could convince the kids not to sell - in Wrigleyville, the Ricketts' get a cut on everything they own, similar to how the city of Chicago gets a cut of parking and concessions in Soldier Field. If they were able to build all that up, all the income from game day revenues of not just in but outside the stadium would allow them to keep the team and provide steady income for generations, as well as allow the McCaskeys to move up to the tax brackets of some of their other owner counterparts.

Even if they sold the team, if they were smart, they could keep the land around the stadium and still get that income. But by all accounts, the McCaskey kids are just as stupid as their parents; they want everything sold and be done with it.

Anyway, pay close attention to Kevin Warren. Notice how in the press conference, he announced he felt like now was when he could start making the changes he wanted. Notice how the lone survior of Trace Armstrong's clients - the GM - looked like a broken man in that same presser. Warren, despite what he said about shared accountability and Ryan being the point person, looked in command, and Poles looked passive.

I think the only way you can read that, is that Warren has been there long enough, gotten a lay of the land, said what he has to in order to keep the idiot owners happy until he can get the stadium to break ground and can sell this thing, and now is ready to de-**** the Bears organization and get it ready for maximum sale. The presser sent an unspoken message imho - the days of Trace Armstrong's influence is over. For all the people wondering why it took so long to fire Eberflus, I think Warren finally made his move; he finally convinced George to do this the right way, convinced him that Trace's influence in the organization was a huge part of the problem, and to Poles's credit, seemed to see this coming, and worked with Warren, which is probably why he is still here.

But when you look at what Warren wants, and then see how passive Poles is, it definitely reads to me like they may move in a direction where the coach has more power than the GM - a first for the Bears.

I guess we will see, but so far, when I piece everything I've seen and heard together, that's what I come up with.


Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

No one is reading

 

[Myk]

You think Virginia is telling anyone what to do?

Holy shit are you a moron.

You are so clearly one of the dumbest meat heads on here that if you said you thought I knew what I was talking about, I would take that as a pretty big insult because it was coming from you. Does that make sense to your miniscule intellect?

What a gigantic twat you are telling us Virginia is making any football decisions.

Where did I say that? You can't read and yet you expect to be an expert at big business.

You can bet when the headlines said Virginia was pissed she flexed her ownership and laid down some law. It was very clear that she did just that.
Funny how you believe George because it's what you want to believe but not Virginia because it's not what you want to believe.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Keeping CTEberflus is just misguided. It is generally accepted that ME got a 5 yr contract, and nothing short of a meltdown of coaching would result in him not getting year 4. Well, he has gone Chernobyl.

There is no way the McCaskey's were willing to write checks for 3 years for ME to sit at the beach. Firing him was never the GMs option.

Only complete national embarrassment has even made a discussion.

Ryan Poles also doesn't call plays, call timeouts, challenge plays, and shit himself in two minute situations.

Say what you will about Ryan Poles, but I think a good majority of people here (myself included) were expecting the absolute worst the last three games. Instead, each game came down to the wire. Hell, the Bears were 10 point underdogs last Thursday, and they still had a shot at a walk off.

 

[Dstone5553]

Where did I say that?

"If Virginia is pissed she tells Warren who tells Poles who tells the coaches who tell the players."


I didn't read past that. The fact you think Virginia tells Warren what to do at any time, place or situation is beyond dumb.
Why would I read past that?

You really are a stupid twat.

 

[Myk]

he board of directors for the Bears also knows this. The Board most likely leaned on the McCaskeys to face reality and try to get this team right and a stadium built so they can sell for maximum profit.

The board of directors presently consists of a bunch of McCaskeys, 1 bought in money guy minority and the hired Warren.

Other than that I think it's a fair assessment of the ownership.

 

[Myk]

"If Virginia is pissed she tells Warren who tells Poles who tells the coaches who tell the players."


You're right, I didn't read past that. The fact you think Virginia tells Warren what to do at any time, place or situation is beyond dumb.
Why would I read past that?

You really are a stupid twat.

Thanks for proving you actually can't read.
Even when you copy and past it. And it's very simple words you miss not just comprehending the whole concept.

No sense in trying to explain it to you if you have the IQ and ability to understand of a 3 year old. But if you want I'll continue flaming you as long as you want to keep coming back for more.

 

[Dstone5553]

Thanks for proving you actually can't read.

You are one of the dumbest posters on here which is saying quite a lot. You've proven that again and again. If you had anything good to say about me that would make me one of the dumbest posters on here.

Try to get that through your thick skull.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

There's like 150 shareholders for the Bears. Virginia just happens to have the most.

 

[number51]

You can give Poles a pass on everything and speculate that every bad decision was someone else's responsibility, but IMO there are two things that cannot be dismissed....his 14-32 record and the Bears inability to even pursue Jim Harbaugh this past offseason. That was definitely a missed opportunity to change the course of the franchise. Instead, we have this.

Incorrect, we already had this. Now the Bears have the opportunity to hire a new head coach.

Try to keep up.

 

[Myk]

You are one of the dumbest posters on here which is saying quite a lot. You've proven that again and again. If you had anything good to say about me that would make me one of the dumbest posters on here.

Try to get that through your thick skull.

You almost got me to try to explain it again but you're obviously too stupid to understand the word "if" to bother trying to explain how shares work again.

Yes you're right, share holders never have a say in anything, especially not in a family business that had their father, grandfather, great grandfather as the owner and HC.
Those people would never have an undeserved ego in spite of us hearing about the McCaskey PR films from new hires at HC, GM and players.
"I've just been in the mind of a genius."

But you who can't read the word "if" are smarter than that because you want to believe.

 

[Dstone5553]

You almost got me

I'd be as dumb as you to read anything you have to say at this point.

Sorry stupid twat, I ain't doing it.

Your ignorance is tiresome. Guessing that's not the first time you've been told this. Probably won't be the last.

 

[Zvbxrpl]

So the bears said in the intro pressers for Poles and Eberflus that they won’t/wouldnt talk about contract details or length, and have actually been consistent in that since then, brief a time period as that may have been.

A couple of jackasses say they got 5 years, nobody verified it—and we live in a new age where people lie constantly without repercussions or accountability so long as it’s in the name of ‘entertainment,’ beat guys are very careful to word their tweets like “it is believed that” when talking about it, and now we have to be sucked into their vortex of bad logic that the McCaskeys are cheap and don’t want to pay 3 years to a coach they fired?

Despite how the McCaskeys actually do spend, their GMs spend, their PR teams spend, social media teams, etc. They literally spent on an OL who refused to play for them after 1.5 years and is probably still on PTO.

Yes. The bears are a disappointment this year. No, there’s nothing we can do about ownership. And yes, despite assertions to the contrary, for as football-stupid as the McCaskeys are, they are anything but cheap.

Now, stop rehashing old shit, turn off the edgy podcasters and go outside. Or find a new hobby if all the bears do is piss you off.

 

[pseudonym]

Ryan Poles also doesn't call plays, call timeouts, challenge plays, and shit himself in two minute situations.

Say what you will about Ryan Poles, but I think a good majority of people here (myself included) were expecting the absolute worst the last three games. Instead, each game came down to the wire. Hell, the Bears were 10 point underdogs last Thursday, and they still had a shot at a walk off.

I don't hate Poles and we don't know what was really going on behind the scenes. He has made some great moves. Flus is a big mistake. But was Poles banging the drum to fire him? IDK. What he does NEXT will either secure his job or get him fired as well. It'll come down to Brown and what he does and/or a different HC hire. Then it's the draft—do we finally repair the OL? That was the call last year—do we fix the line or get a WR and QB? We took Caleb and Odunze, and in the long-run, I think that will pay off. But he has GOT to make some serious moves in the off-season.

Draft LT, G, Center.
Trade for FA help. Maybe OL, maybe DT/DE.
Draft DE/DT.

Those are the moves I'd be making.
Do not draft a RB.
Don't get cute.
Plug the holes and upgrade where you can.

 

[PhilEBuster]

I think there are a multitude of issues with the Bears, ownership being chief among them.

But let's really break it down (long read - if you have a short attention span or an idiot, just skip this post):


* The McCaskey family are NOT your typical "rich" owners. They are basically first generation trust fund kids who inherited daddy's organization and have no idea how to run it. They don't have success in any other aspect of life. They basically milk the Bears for all its worth.

* "The McCaskey's are cheap" - both true and not. I don't think they set out to be cheap, but at the same time, because of their poor management and that the Bears are their only income basically, financial mistakes get magnified. They end up having to hold onto a coach or a GM too long because fiscally, despite owning an asset worth billions, they have no liquid capital to back it up. So they end up having to "eat" bad decisions a year too long.

* "When you sit down to play cards, your first job is to spot the sucker. IF you can't figure out who the sucker is, YOU'RE the sucker." This is the core of the McCaskeys. They go to search firms and OTHER TEAM OWNERS whom they technically are competing against for advice. Because they don't operate on a competitive plane. The McCaskeys think they are at a country club social. By all reports, they DO want to win, but frankly are too stupid, too gullible, and too clueless to do it, and that also includes matters of business - all this time, and they still haven't found ways to generate revenue to buoy potential expensive mistakes that they need to move on from but fiscally can't. THIS is how you end up with arranged marriages and people staying too long.

* Trace Armstrong - Kaplan wasn't wrong when he brought up Armstrong's hold on the McCaskeys, but even then, he didn't dig deep enough. The McCaskeys LOVE their former players - the association makes them feel special (so long as they don't have to pay them directly, hence Olin Kreutz and the famous $15 an hour). The McCaskeys are the type who absolutely would turn to someone like Armstrong to "help them". Does anyone remember the rumors going back even 5-10 years before his retirement that Armstrong may replace Ted Phillips as team president? Likely Armstrong angling for the spot and leaking things, and even though he didn't get the position, Kap covered just how much influence he has with the Bears based on their recent hires. Armstrong has a direct pipeline to the McCaskeys.

I think that paints a pretty good picture of the ineptitude of the McCaskey family.


So - any hope for change?

There actually IS one, but it is pure speculation on my part based on reading body language and what people are saying about the McCaskey's younger generation and the Inheritance tax.

First, let's start with the rumors most people have heard:

When Ginny dies, the inheritance tax will make it next to impossible for the McCaskeys to keep the team. And the other rumor is the kids of the McCaskeys who were in the room for the latest presser do not give a flying eff about the Bears - they basically are like spoiled rich kids and all want the team sold and they all get a cut. This is NOT what the elder McCaskeys want, but they have no choice - that inheritance tax is going to be a real *****, and they can't afford it. The board of directors for the Bears also knows this. The Board most likely leaned on the McCaskeys to face reality and try to get this team right and a stadium built so they can sell for maximum profit.

Somewhere in that process of internal evaluation, they got told by people evaluating the team for sale (it might even have come direct from the NFL) that their operation was basically too fucked up to get top dollar. The Board wouldn't have been happy about that. And Trace Armstrong, for all his ties, doesn't have expertise in that. They needed to hire an outsider.

Enter Kevin Warren.

However Kevin got here, the rhetoric around him is that he was looking for an opportunity to straighten out the Bears organization - likely for sale, imho. That includes the stadium deal, which, yes if we take on face value looks like the Bears don't know what they are doing, but the threat of staying downtown just provided enough leverage that Arlington Heights backed off on its demands and they agreed to the Bears original tax deal.

And the Stadium DOES need to be built in Arlington Heights. In addition to the land of the stadium itself,
there is enough room to build out an entire ecosystem around the stadium much like Wrigleyville has with the rooftops and bars and hotels and restaurants, all of which now are owned by the Ricketts. It actually provides a solution to the McCaskeys' cash flow problem if they could convince the kids not to sell - in Wrigleyville, the Ricketts' get a cut on everything they own, similar to how the city of Chicago gets a cut of parking and concessions in Soldier Field. If they were able to build all that up, all the income from game day revenues of not just in but outside the stadium would allow them to keep the team and provide steady income for generations, as well as allow the McCaskeys to move up to the tax brackets of some of their other owner counterparts.

Even if they sold the team, if they were smart, they could keep the land around the stadium and still get that income. But by all accounts, the McCaskey kids are just as stupid as their parents; they want everything sold and be done with it.

Anyway, pay close attention to Kevin Warren. Notice how in the press conference, he announced he felt like now was when he could start making the changes he wanted. Notice how the lone survior of Trace Armstrong's clients - the GM - looked like a broken man in that same presser. Warren, despite what he said about shared accountability and Ryan being the point person, looked in command, and Poles looked passive.

I think the only way you can read that, is that Warren has been there long enough, gotten a lay of the land, said what he has to in order to keep the idiot owners happy until he can get the stadium to break ground and can sell this thing, and now is ready to de-**** the Bears organization and get it ready for maximum sale. The presser sent an unspoken message imho - the days of Trace Armstrong's influence is over. For all the people wondering why it took so long to fire Eberflus, I think Warren finally made his move; he finally convinced George to do this the right way, convinced him that Trace's influence in the organization was a huge part of the problem, and to Poles's credit, seemed to see this coming, and worked with Warren, which is probably why he is still here.

But when you look at what Warren wants, and then see how passive Poles is, it definitely reads to me like they may move in a direction where the coach has more power than the GM - a first for the Bears.

I guess we will see, but so far, when I piece everything I've seen and heard together, that's what I come up with.


Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

And people say the shoopster likes to talk . . .

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I don't hate Poles and we don't know what was really going on behind the scenes. He has made some great moves. Flus is a big mistake. But was Poles banging the drum to fire him? IDK. What he does NEXT will either secure his job or get him fired as well. It'll come down to Brown and what he does and/or a different HC hire. Then it's the draft—do we finally repair the OL? That was the call last year—do we fix the line or get a WR and QB? We took Caleb and Odunze, and in the long-run, I think that will pay off. But he has GOT to make some serious moves in the off-season.

Again, I just don't think Flus coming back is something you saddle Ryan Poles with. At the end of the day, he's not the one writing the checks. I take any article that says Poles was pushing to fire Flus/bring Flus back after last season with a grain of salt. I imagine very few were in on that decision, and I don't think they took notes. So someone is lying their ass off about that.

I said it in an earlier post in this thread: the Bears are coming off three one score games with their division, when I think most of us expected them to have their brains beat in. They could have beaten, or most likely taken to overtime, probably the best team in the league on Thanksgiving. So I really don't think talent wise this team is far off. They need discipline, badly.

I've been wanting a center drafted since Kreutz left. Pace drafted one, but I think he's a logger in Oregon now. Beyond that, I think you need another IOL. A stud 3-tech and a good pass rusher are also needed. I think you can draft all three with the first three picks.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

I want Poles gone because he still hasn't hit on an obvious star player yet in 3 drafts nor addressed the obvious interior oline needs. You need some top end talent and instant impact players; this roster is still lacking in that. Caleb and Rome might become stars, but it certainly isn't a guarantee. All the high-end talent on the roster was acquired by his predecessor or via trade. Given the high draft picks, the fact one can't say with 100% certainty on any drafted players becoming a star caliber player is a problem imo.

 

[Myk]

I'd be as dumb as you to read anything you have to say at this point.

Sorry stupid twat, I ain't doing it.

Your ignorance is tiresome. Guessing that's not the first time you've been told this. Probably won't be the last.

If it was just me you might have a point. But it was at least 2 others trying to talk sense to you including a retired Dr that you called dumb.

But don't worry your pretty little head none, sweetie. Georgie told you he doesn't have anything to do with football decisions.
Just ignore the part where the board is 90% McCaskeys.

 

[Dstone5553]

If

Say what Twat?

 

[onebud34]

Again, I just don't think Flus coming back is something you saddle Ryan Poles with. At the end of the day, he's not the one writing the checks. I take any article that says Poles was pushing to fire Flus/bring Flus back after last season with a grain of salt. I imagine very few were in on that decision, and I don't think they took notes. So someone is lying their ass off about that.

I said it in an earlier post in this thread: the Bears are coming off three one score games with their division, when I think most of us expected them to have their brains beat in. They could have beaten, or most likely taken to overtime, probably the best team in the league on Thanksgiving. So I really don't think talent wise this team is far off. They need discipline, badly.

I've been wanting a center drafted since Kreutz left. Pace drafted one, but I think he's a logger in Oregon now. Beyond that, I think you need another IOL. A stud 3-tech and a good pass rusher are also needed. I think you can draft all three with the first three picks.

This is the biggest issue with the current Bears roster, was also an issue under Nagy.

Maybe they need to stop hiring passive aggressive coaches