Your 2012-2013 Offseason/Roster

[DMelt36]

Not worried about his regular season play. A change of scenery may do him good.

Another goalie that could be worth a shot and needs a change of scenery is Steve mason

Well, you wouldn't have to worry about Luongo's postseason play because he wouldn't make it that far in Chicago. I'd put money on him being relegated to the bench by January. It will never work.

A change of scenery may do him good, but Chicago is not that change.

As for the other guy, Steve Mason will make you long for Michael Leighton. His GAA has been over three for the past three years while his SA% has steadily declined.

I'll take Crawford over Mason any day.

 

[icehogfan08]

Well, you wouldn't have to worry about Luongo's postseason play because he wouldn't make it that far in Chicago. I'd put money on him being relegated to the bench by January. It will never work.

A change of scenery may do him good, but Chicago is not that change.

As for the other guy, Steve Mason will make you long for Michael Leighton. His GAA has been over three for the past three years while his SA% has steadily declined.

I'll take Crawford over Mason any day.

A goalie with a 10 year career with 2.52 GAA and .919 Save% wouldn't work in Chicago? I wouldn't say his goal tending has been the issue with Vancouver, it's more of a coaching issue

As for Mason, his numbers decreased as the team has decreased.

 

[DewsSox79]

Well, you wouldn't have to worry about Luongo's postseason play because he wouldn't make it that far in Chicago. I'd put money on him being relegated to the bench by January. It will never work.

A change of scenery may do him good, but Chicago is not that change.

As for the other guy, Steve Mason will make you long for Michael Leighton. His GAA has been over three for the past three years while his SA% has steadily declined.

I'll take Crawford over Mason any day.

First paragraph- Thats a pretty bold statement with ZERO to back that up with. talk about trying to throw a tennis ball at the wall hoping it will stick.

GAA? Are you really going there? Again GAA is a TEAM stat, shall I speak slower? T E A M Stat. He is a product of the worst T E A M in hockey. Put Mike Smith or any top goalie right now and let me know how great their
T E A M stat works for you. I wonder what Masons stat would look like if he was on the hawks his entire career. Probably a higher SV% due to shots being less quality in chance, and of course a lower GAA.

 

[RockyRider]

First paragraph- Thats a pretty bold statement with ZERO to back that up with. talk about trying to throw a tennis ball at the wall hoping it will stick.

GAA? Are you really going there? Again GAA is a TEAM stat, shall I speak slower? T E A M Stat. He is a product of the worst T E A M in hockey. Put Mike Smith or any top goalie right now and let me know how great their
T E A M stat works for you. I wonder what Masons stat would look like if he was on the hawks his entire career. Probably a higher SV% due to shots being less quality in chance, and of course a lower GAA.

I totally agree with you Dews. Really any goaltending stat, GAA, SA%, SO, are all team stats. For example, Martin Brodeur will be a first ballot Hall of Famer. He has amazing stats. But I really don't think he's all that great. He's really good, but one of the best ever? I'm not so sure. But he's played his entire career for the New Jersey Devils, a team that has always preached a sermon of disciplined team defence. Brodeur has always put up great stats, but the Devils have always been among league leaders in defensive team stats. Felix Potvin was drafted in the same year as Brodeur. If Brodeur had gone to the Leafs and the Devils had gotten Potvin, it could be Felix getting set to go to the Hall now.

 

[tbo41fan]

Hawks convince Parise, and Suter to take small deals to have the best chance at winning.

$3.88046M at end of 2011-12
Huet off books = $9.50546M
Brunette off books = $11.50546M
O'Donnell off books = $12.35546M
Morrison off books = $13.60546M
Oduya, Lepisto, Mayers kept, all RFA's kept

Zack Parise signed at $6M cap hit = $7.60546M
Ryan Suter signed at $3.5M cap hit = $4.10546M

Carcillo $0.5M cap hit increase = $3.60546M
Emery $0.55M cap hit increase = $3.05546M

Parise - Toews - Stalberg
Sharp - Kane - Hossa
Bickell - Bolland - Shaw
Carcillo - Kruger - Frolik

Keith - Seabrook
Oduya - Suter
Hjalmarsson - Leddy (Montador could be traded for cap space then)

Crawford
Emery

Obviously this won't happen and I am probable forgetting something, but this is potentially possible mathematically.

I stopped after the bolded part

Stop it right there.

yes.

LOL, you guys didn't notice my on-purpose /

it would be funny if you were trying to troll, but you weren't...you were 100% serious. lol

 

[DMelt36]

A goalie with a 10 year career with 2.52 GAA and .919 Save% wouldn't work in Chicago? I wouldn't say his goal tending has been the issue with Vancouver, it's more of a coaching issue

As for Mason, his numbers decreased as the team has decreased.

The reasons I don't ever want to see Luongo in Chicago don't have much to do with his play on the ice.

Yeah, he's a good goalie. Most of the time.

You simply cannot discount the meltdowns he's had in his career. And, frequently they've come at the hands of the Blackhawks. He's been a target for the media and a target for the fans for the last three years.

You really think he could survive in Chicago? There'd be an insane amount of pressure on him from day one. He gives up one soft goal ... and the crowd would turn on him. The fans would eat him alive, probably aided by the media.

Then his off-ice play would suffer. Then the Hawks are stuck with a God-awful contract situation. Again. No thanks.

I just don't see any scenario where a guy with Luongo's mental incapacity ends well. I just don't. No numbers will ever change that.

Also, regarding Mason. His numbers did take a turn for the worse this year thanks to an impressively awful team in front of him. But Mason sucked for a few years before that, too.

Blue Jackets:
09-10 79 points
10-11 81 points
11-12 65 points

Mason:
09-10 .901 3.06
10-11 .901 3.03
11-12 .894 3.39

Yeah, team stats and all that. Fine. He's completely fallen off the map after his rookie year. There are THREE goalies in Toronto with higher save percentages, and their gave up the most goals in the NHL this year.

 

[Jntg4]

I stopped after the bolded part

yes.



it would be funny if you were trying to troll, but you weren't...you were 100% serious. lol

Ya, I was going to make a troll post but it turned into a math thing when I saw Huet was still listed with his cap hit on capgeek... also, read the last sentence where I said it obviously won't happen... meaning that I was not serious at all.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

Steve Mason is no guaranteed upgrade over Crawford at all.

Plus if Mason came here, Foley would have to apologize for the old man verbal beat down he gave him this season. We don't need another awkward Karpotsev moment 10 years down the line.

 

[icehogfan08]

The reasons I don't ever want to see Luongo in Chicago don't have much to do with his play on the ice.

Yeah, he's a good goalie. Most of the time.

You simply cannot discount the meltdowns he's had in his career. And, frequently they've come at the hands of the Blackhawks. He's been a target for the media and a target for the fans for the last three years.

You really think he could survive in Chicago? There'd be an insane amount of pressure on him from day one. He gives up one soft goal ... and the crowd would turn on him. The fans would eat him alive, probably aided by the media.

Then his off-ice play would suffer. Then the Hawks are stuck with a God-awful contract situation. Again. No thanks.

I just don't see any scenario where a guy with Luongo's mental incapacity ends well. I just don't. No numbers will ever change that.

Also, regarding Mason. His numbers did take a turn for the worse this year thanks to an impressively awful team in front of him. But Mason sucked for a few years before that, too.

Blue Jackets:
09-10 79 points
10-11 81 points
11-12 65 points

Mason:
09-10 .901 3.06
10-11 .901 3.03
11-12 .894 3.39

Yeah, team stats and all that. Fine. He's completely fallen off the map after his rookie year. There are THREE goalies in Toronto with higher save percentages, and their gave up the most goals in the NHL this year.

If he's on the team the arena wouldn't target him as much if he was in a opposing sweater. Every Goalie goes through a bad stretch, but Luongo can win you 35-40 games

 

[DMelt36]

I totally agree with you Dews. Really any goaltending stat, GAA, SA%, SO, are all team stats. For example, Martin Brodeur will be a first ballot Hall of Famer. He has amazing stats. But I really don't think he's all that great. He's really good, but one of the best ever? I'm not so sure. But he's played his entire career for the New Jersey Devils, a team that has always preached a sermon of disciplined team defence. Brodeur has always put up great stats, but the Devils have always been among league leaders in defensive team stats. Felix Potvin was drafted in the same year as Brodeur. If Brodeur had gone to the Leafs and the Devils had gotten Potvin, it could be Felix getting set to go to the Hall now.

That's just the nature of hockey (and football, too) where team-oriented systems can make one guy look way, way, way better than he really is.

Usually, I think the answer to the question "Just how good is that player?" is that the system maximizes that player's abilities. Brodeur has had some easier nights because of the great defense in front of him, but I'll bet he's had plenty of nights where he's been forced to stand on his head because he faced 35-45 shots when his offense was terrible. It's not always a cakewalk.

 

[DMelt36]

If he's on the team the arena wouldn't target him as much if he was in a opposing sweater. Every Goalie goes through a bad stretch, but Luongo can win you 35-40 games

You're underestimating the stupidity of Chicago's fan base.

 

[icehogfan08]

You're underestimating the stupidity of Chicago's fan base.

I think the homers wouldn't mind it

 

[Capt. Serious]

hope O-du-ya-know is gone.

 

[icehogfan08]

hope O-du-ya-know is gone.

I wont mind if he comes back at a cheaper price. He definitely better not be back for more than 2.5. He was good his first 2-3 weeks then fell off

 

[DewsSox79]

I wont mind if he comes back at a cheaper price. He definitely better not be back for more than 2.5. He was good his first 2-3 weeks then fell off

this

 

[Captain Iago]

Hard to do considering the CBA is up in the air, but as far as brief thought prior to being able to put the pieces of the puzzle together...

Walk - Bruno, Morrison, Mayers (even though he was good - being scratched in the playoffs burned that bridge), Oduya, OD, and Lepisto. So out of last offseason moves, only two stick - Monty (who was extended prior to season's beginning and Carbomb.

Ship Frolik for a pick this upcoming draft; someone will want him since he earns less than his hit. I'm not sold on Saad being ready. He wasn't completely out of place in the playoffs like he was in the first couple games of the season, but he didn't stick out at all. He turns 20 in October so he ought to be eligible to play in Rockford.

As for UFAs:

With Parise and Suter being long shots, have a conversation with 'em (probably brief). They'll end up getting bucks elsewhere, but it'd be stupid not to have a chat with them.

With Kane moving to C (why not Sharp?), bring in Doan to replace him as a RW or put him with Toews. Character, leadership, decent size. Hope that Coyotes are moving on elsewhere otherwise he'll stay a Coyote. This is probably a bit of a long shot, too, considering he'll take a chunk of the money needed to fill out an entire roster.

I'm not considering Gaustad or Stoll since these guys will make too much money and/or be put in positions where they won't succeed. Neither are 2Cs; however, they may be paid as such depending on how the rest of these playoffs go.

How about Jackman? He's not huge, but plays with some meanness and can be depended upon to clear a crease occasionally. Not quite the PMD this organization always seems to have hard-ons for, though. Carle might be that mobility guy. Still would have trouble clearing the crease with him, though. These guys will also find a place that will give them a raise from their mid 3ish hit, so that might not work. I would not object to a Bryan Allen signing, also.

I may get flamed for it, but I'd consider Rolston on an inexpensive deal. Even though he's old, he most certainly will be taking a huge pay cut and still has a heavy as shit shot. He can replace Keith on a left PP point and probably get a ton more shots through.

Tending will stay the same, most likely.

 

[Jntg4]

Wideman would fit perfectly on Blackhawks

 

[DMelt36]

Wideman would fit perfectly on Blackhawks

Saw that link too. While it is a nice thought, that's an awful lot of money to pour into another defenseman.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

You can go after Wideman as soon as you move #4.

edit: or #5.

 

[icehogfan08]

Rolston would be a solid pick up for a pay cut cap hit. I also wouldn't mind Penner coming in at a cheaper price and hopefully return him to his 30 goal season. My first choice would be Doan tho. I just do not want Alex Semin anywhere near this team