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[Boobaby1]

I don't look at wins as a hugely telling stat, certainly in the short term. Grienke went through a 9 game stretch of pitching great without getting a win early in the year. His win total suffered, but it didn't reflect his performance. Shark had a similar run in 2014. Shark's win total in 2014 was a very poor indicator of how he truly pitched.

Except.......when he started getting support, he still didn't win. And prior to that season, he just didn't win. (He was on a bad Cub team, so nobody is expecting 20-win seasons. But the guy can't get to TEN. Oh, wait, that's unfair. he got all the way to eleven in 2015. In 32 starts.

He is 30 years old, and has 47 wins. 47 for his entire career. How long can someone try and blame that on bad luck? It is not bad luck. Every pitcher goes through periods of poor run support and "bad luck". But this guy simply does not win games for you. Period.

It's foolish to vote for the Cy Young award winner based on their Wins in a particular season.

It is not foolish to avoid guys already on the wrong side of 30 who have not shown the ability to win games.

Is he the worst option out there? Of course not. Is he a guy we should pursue? Not really.

I am not advocating Shark in anyway by saying this, because I have no idea what the front office will do.

The only reason I can say that they may pursue him is that he directly is a major upgrade over Dan Haren. Of course, that still leaves you with Hammel and Hendricks (not a bad #5), but if the Cubs trade for a younger starter (which I think they will), then all of a sudden, it lessens the blow of just bringing in Shark.

Now. If they were to sign lets say Zimmermann, and then still trade for a young pitcher, well, I am certainly okay with that too.

 

[chibears55]

Samardzija is at the bottom of their list...

Price Greinke Zimmerman Cueto will be their main targets
so, if they dont land a big fish then they turn to the lesser ones like samardzija. ..

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Samardzija is at the bottom of their list...

Price Greinke Zimmerman Cueto will be their main targets
so, if they dont land a big fish then they turn to the lesser ones like samardzija. ..

I don't think there is a chance in hell that they pursue Price, Greinke or Cueto past simple due diligence. Zimmermann if he could be had at 6/$120 or less I could see.

 

[brett05]

I don't think there is a chance in hell that they pursue Price, Greinke or Cueto past simple due diligence. Zimmermann if he could be had at 6/$120 or less I could see.

I'd be shocked if Zim got less than $20 million per.

 

[Parade_Rain]

I don't think there is a chance in hell that they pursue Price, Greinke or Cueto past simple due diligence. Zimmermann if he could be had at 6/$120 or less I could see.

Agreed. I think Shark is on their list along with a trade that brings a top, younger pitcher into the team mix, as well.

 

[beckdawg]

Cubs finally signed someone.....

Andury Acevedo
http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/11/19/chicago-cubs-sign-free-agent-righty-andury-acevedo/

 

[CSF77]

Shark should command 16-18 per. Zimmerman 20-22. Price and Grenke 25-30. Cueto not sure. Mixed results could put him in Zimmerman area. Never knew if you are getting ace or fail-bot that given day.

If you are going to start to pay 20 mil anyways you should go after Zimmerman. We are talking 5 mil per season as a increase.

Now Jake is pushing for Grenke. So IMO if they are going for jackpot go for Grenke. He should age well. Price not so sure on with the miles on his arm. Losing Velocity make prove to be disastrous. Ad to it 30 mil per for either you are looking at what you are getting over those years. Grenke should age better.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Cubs finally signed someone.....

Andury Acevedo
http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/11/19/chicago-cubs-sign-free-agent-righty-andury-acevedo/

You know the funniest part about this? I remember reading that Jum Hendry convinced NY to take a flyer on this guy and convert him from 3B, where he failed in the Pirates organization, and convert him to a pitcher. It would be ironic if he succeeded with Hendry's former team. He's really just a raw arm though but definitely worth taking a look.

 

[beckdawg]

http://slaterscoops.com/news/2015/11/18/the-miami-marlins-clubhouse-was-a-circus-literally

 

[brett05]

http://slaterscoops.com/news/2015/11/18/the-miami-marlins-clubhouse-was-a-circus-literally

Interesting. The question becomes do you want a tool in the clubhouse.

 

[Parade_Rain]

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Theo Epstein and Jeff Samardzija hanging together tonight in Chicago. Cubs have an interest in him. #HotStove #Cubs

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[Parade_Rain]

Interesting. The question becomes do you want a tool in the clubhouse.

Never. Already traded for Ian Stewart.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Never. Already traded for Ian Stewart.

Right and he didn't cost half the farm system. I pass on Fernandez.

 

[knoxville7]

Maybe not on May 3rd or June 15th.

But the Cubs are not currently in position to just get a guy who is OK in May, June, Sept.....They should be looking to add a guy that can win in October for you. A guy you can count on.

Harvey has a far better chance to be that guy than Jeff Samardzija.

I get that, I never once tried to say shark is as good as Harvey. I think you missed my point....which was for what you would have to give up to get Harvey, would the cubs be better off with shark and not giving up any prospects? Harvey would command soler plus other prospects and I personally don't think its worth it to do

 

[beckdawg]

Right and he didn't cost half the farm system. I pass on Fernandez.

Not entirely sure that's being fair to Fernandez. From the sounds of the article the org. is a joke. If you look at the talk of the cubs front office they talk a lot about bringing in vets for a club house presence for the younger players. Maybe Fernandez is an asshole(there was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6OxpsF4aNw). But the reason you have guys like Ross and Lester is to set young players on the right path. At this point we can probably put Rizzo in there too. And then there is Maddon.

At the end of the day he's what 24? How dumb where you when you were 24? Additionally, if you are going to acquire a player of his talent level and age you're going to get baggage of some form.

 

[knoxville7]

Not entirely sure that's being fair to Fernandez. From the sounds of the article the org. is a joke. If you look at the talk of the cubs front office they talk a lot about bringing in vets for a club house presence for the younger players. Maybe Fernandez is an asshole(there was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6OxpsF4aNw). But the reason you have guys like Ross and Lester is to set young players on the right path. At this point we can probably put Rizzo in there too. And then there is Maddon.

At the end of the day he's what 24? How dumb where you when you were 24? Additionally, if you are going to acquire a player of his talent level and age you're going to get baggage of some form.[/QUOTE]

why is that? im pretty sure theres 24 year old ball players that come with no baggage in the world. not sure why great talent level = some baggage in your mind

 

[brett05]

why is that? im pretty sure theres 24 year old ball players that come with no baggage in the world. not sure why great talent level = some baggage in your mind

Beckdawg spelled it out right. Because with rare exceptions 24 year old males are 15 year old girls on the maturity level. And I want to apologize to the 15 year old girls for the comparison.

 

[chibears55]

Agreed. I think Shark is on their list along with a trade that brings a top, younger pitcher into the team mix, as well.

If Samardzija their guy, they might as well stick with Hammel cause your basically gonna get the same results. ..

If their serious about taking that next step and being WS contenders every year, they dont sign a middle of pack starter. .



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[Parade_Rain]

If Samardzija their guy, they might as well stick with Hammel cause your basically gonna get the same results. ..

If their serious about taking that next step and being WS contenders every year, they dont sign a middle of pack starter. .



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He isn't Hammel and he left in FA because they didn't want to meet the price he thought he was worth. He had good success with Bosio and he and Cooper over at the White Sox were not a good fit. Look at his pitch mixes. Much different. He is an upgrade and allows them to go get a young starter via trade that either pushes Hammel to the 5th or Hendricks.

 

[brett05]

He isn't Hammel and he left in FA because they didn't want to meet the price he thought he was worth. He had good success with Bosio and he and Cooper over at the White Sox were not a good fit. Look at his pitch mixes. Much different. He is an upgrade and allows them to go get a young starter via trade that either pushes Hammel to the 5th or Hendricks.

We will never know if Cooper and Shark were a good mix. He ignored the coaching staff until the end.