1994 Bulls vs 2011 Bulls in 7 game series

[houheffna]

This time, he's absolutely right.

Dick2keva is a straight internet heckler who's most profound statement on this forum are..and I quote...

"THIS"....

No illumination, nothing worth reading. Just stalking my every move and being a one man peanut gallery...dude need to grow up...

 

[Glide2keva]

This time, he's absolutely right.

No, he isn't.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

No, he isn't.

The guy he is arguing with seriously is so dim-witted that he just implied Pippen>Jordan.

How can he be wrong arguing with a guy like Mrs. Pippen?

 

[nwfisch]

Glide2keva, :umad:

 

[Glide2keva]

The guy he is arguing with seriously is so dim-witted that he just implied Pippen>Jordan.

How can he be wrong arguing with a guy like Mrs. Pippen?

Well, I like the trolling from both of them. It's funny to see someone go at the cyber bully, even if it's completely indecipherable.

Pippen<Jordan

No argument there. But mister blowhard is downplaying Pippen, and saying stupid shit like Pippen was never considered the best player in the league. I distinctly remember Pippen being regarded as the best all-around player in the league since 92 and especially in 94 where he led the Bulls in 5 categories and doing the same in 95.

Olajuwan was very good in 94, but Pippen deserved the MVP in 94.

 

[Glide2keva]

Glide2keva, :umad:

Nice, not at all.

This is comedy gold to me.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Well, I like the trolling from both of them. It's funny to see someone go at the cyber bully, even if it's completely indecipherable.

Pippen<Jordan

No argument there. But mister blowhard is downplaying Pippen, and saying stupid shit like Pippen was never considered the best player in the league. I distinctly remember Pippen being regarded as the best all-around player in the league since 92 and especially in 94 where he led the Bulls in 5 categories and doing the same in 95.

Olajuwan was very good in 94, but Pippen deserved the MVP in 94.

There's a difference between being the best all-around player and the best player. Hakeem Olajuwon was light years ahead of Pippen, and he was pretty versatile in his own right...

SP94 sees Pippen through homerific glasses.

 

[Glide2keva]

There's a difference between being the best all-around player and the best player. Hakeem Olajuwon was light years ahead of Pippen, and he was pretty versatile in his own right...

SP94 sees Pippen through homerific glasses.

True.

But Pippen is being downplayed by Bulls fans and that's not right. His role in the 6 titles we have is just as important as Jordan's.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

True.

But Pippen is being downplayed by Bulls fans and that's not right. His role in the 6 titles we have is just as important as Jordan's.

Well, I have to disagree because the Bulls would have gotten someone else who could score if Pippen was never there. Pippen was never one of the best scorers in the league but he was always well-rounded in what he could do offensively (which was ideal for Jordan to pass off to when doubled/tripled because he could always give up the rock and they could swing the ball to Pip and chances were that he would get a good look no matter where he was in the triangle).

I am fairly sure Jordan was bound to win multiple championships no matter where he played with--- or with whom. Pippen benefited a LOT more from Mike than vice versa.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Well, I like the trolling from both of them. It's funny to see someone go at the cyber bully, even if it's completely indecipherable.

Pippen<Jordan

No argument there. But mister blowhard is downplaying Pippen, and saying stupid shit like Pippen was never considered the best player in the league. I distinctly remember Pippen being regarded as the best all-around player in the league since 92 and especially in 94 where he led the Bulls in 5 categories and doing the same in 95.

Olajuwan was very good in 94, but Pippen deserved the MVP in 94.

Hakeem:27.3 PPG,11.9 RPG,3.7 BPG,.528 FG,14.3 WS,0.208 WS/48

Pippen:22.0 PPG,8.7 RPG,5.6 APG,2.9 SPG,.491 FG,11.2 WS,0.194 WS/48

we gotta go through this again?

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

True.

But Pippen is being downplayed by Bulls fans and that's not right. His role in the 6 titles we have is just as important as Jordan's.

100% agreed...although i do disagree with you that he was the best player in the NBA at one point....his amazing defense doesnt overcome the fact that he never was a truly great scorer....which is why guys like robinson,olajuwon,jordan,etc. were better

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I'm not forgetting about Pippen's amazing versatility on defense and stellar rebounding either. But it's not like he was DPOY material... he really never was. What he was, was a guy who could guard anybody and score decently in every way. Jordan could have benefited almost as much as a great slasher/shooter and solid defender. Maybe he wouldn't have 6 titles, but he'd still likely have a few.

 

[Glide2keva]

Well, I have to disagree because the Bulls would have gotten someone else who could score if Pippen was never there. Pippen was never one of the best scorers in the league but he was always well-rounded in what he could do offensively (which was ideal for Jordan to pass off to when doubled/tripled because he could always give up the rock and they could swing the ball to Pip and chances were that he would get a good look no matter where he was in the triangle).

I am fairly sure Jordan was bound to win multiple championships no matter where he played with--- or with whom. Pippen benefited a LOT more from Mike than vice versa.

They benefited from each other. Scoring isn't always the most important thing. Pippen was the perfect player to compliment Jordan because he was longer and just as good a defender and could handle the ball, and make plays.

You can say that they could've gotten another scorer, but how many other guys would tailor their game to compliment Jordan? not many.

Pippen should not even be debatable as far as importance to the Bulls titles. Jordan was a transcendent player, no doubt. You will never see me trash him to prop up Pippen. But, I saw Pippen play live every home game at the end of 93, all of 94-96, and what I saw was a guy playing his best and keeping a team afloat when their best player left and helped to win titles when he came back.

So, I don't get where the Pippen diminishing is coming from. He was not Pete Myers and he certainly wasn't as replaceable as you seem to suggest.

 

[Glide2keva]

Hakeem:27.3 PPG,11.9 RPG,3.7 BPG,.528 FG,14.3 WS,0.208 WS/48

Pippen:22.0 PPG,8.7 RPG,5.6 APG,2.9 SPG,.491 FG,11.2 WS,0.194 WS/48

we gotta go through this again?

Numbers don't tell the whole story of 94 and you know it.

 

[woe]

what other small forwards with skills similar to pippens could you replace him with and jordan wins?Hill nope! he couldnt guard magic,in the first pivotal title run,NEXT!

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I'm not forgetting about Pippen's amazing versatility on defense and stellar rebounding either. But it's not like he was DPOY material... he really never was. What he was, was a guy who could guard anybody and score decently in every way. Jordan could have benefited almost as much as a great slasher/shooter and solid defender. Maybe he wouldn't have 6 titles, but he'd still likely have a few.

i think he may have been the best perimeter defender in the early-mid 90s(maybe even later on but i think he regressed a little by the late 90s and by then gary payton was the best defensively but idk)...but its hard to say he could have been DPOY when you have guys who make such a profound impact on the inside game with Robinson,Olajuwon,and Ewing...and not to mention many others...

 

[woe]

when pippen went to portland his best defensive years were behind him then GP took over as the best perimiter defender

 

[Glide2keva]

100% agreed...although i do disagree with you that he was the best player in the NBA at one point....his amazing defense doesnt overcome the fact that he never was a truly great scorer....which is why guys like robinson,olajuwon,jordan,etc. were better

Not just defense, but playmaking and ball handling, running an offense, taking charges, grabbing boards, leading the break, finishing the break, double teaming.

He did a lot more than just score which is being extremely overrated.

Pippen did what it took to win games and titles. Which allowed Jordan the freedom to be a dominant as he was in his later years when his own athleticism started to decline. Jordan was a monster prior to Pippen's emergence, but once Pippen did emerge, it made Jordan even more dangerous.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

They benefited from each other. Scoring isn't always the most important thing. Pippen was the perfect player to compliment Jordan because he was longer and just as good a defender and could handle the ball, and make plays.

You can say that they could've gotten another scorer, but how many other guys would tailor their game to compliment Jordan? not many.

Pippen should not even be debatable as far as importance to the Bulls titles. Jordan was a transcendent player, no doubt. You will never see me trash him to prop up Pippen. But, I saw Pippen play live every home game at the end of 93, all of 94-96, and what I saw was a guy playing his best and keeping a team afloat when their best player left and helped to win titles when he came back.

So, I don't get where the Pippen diminishing is coming from. He was not Pete Myers and he certainly wasn't as replaceable as you seem to suggest.

It was actually late '93- early '95 but yeah. Pippen and Jordan played together so hard that they knew every move that they were going to make. But Jordan DEMANDED the best out of Pippen. He never really respected Pippen until after he left and saw the team have marginal success. Before that he RODE Pippen and helped turn him into the best all-around defender ever. And Pippen benefited a LOT from Jordan's presence on the floor in terms of scoring and offensive efficiency and that was proven after Jordan left in '93.

Pippen was lucky enough to be the athletic wing the Bulls chose.

 

[Glide2keva]

I'm not forgetting about Pippen's amazing versatility on defense and stellar rebounding either. But it's not like he was DPOY material... he really never was. What he was, was a guy who could guard anybody and score decently in every way. Jordan could have benefited almost as much as a great slasher/shooter and solid defender. Maybe he wouldn't have 6 titles, but he'd still likely have a few.

We'll have to agree to disagree.