1994 Bulls vs 2011 Bulls in 7 game series

[Gustavus Adolphus]

for the most part i agree with your list except maybe have james a wee bit higher

You're probably right. My putting him at #6 is nothing more than his career not being over yet. He'll be #1 when he gets his 4th title. Anyways, the girlfriend is out of town so I'm going to put forward some research I've done.

I'm going to compare Pippen to the people on that list, plus Alex English, based on ppg, rpg, apg, player efficiency, true shooting %, and win share. I'll also throw in the number of games they played in their career.

Scottie Pippen:
1178/16.1/6.4/5.2/18.6/.536/125.1

Larry Bird:
897/24.3/10.0/6.3/23.5/.564/145.8

Elgin Baylor:
846/27.4/13.5/4.3/22.7/.494/104.2

Julius Erving (NBA Only):
836/22.0/6.7/4.2/22.0/.558/106.2

John Havlicek:
1270/20.8/6.3/4.8/17.5/.492/131.7

Adrian Dantley:
955/24.3/5.7/3.0/21.5/.617/134.2

Lebron James:
627/27.7/7.1/7.0/26.9/.566/118.9

Dominique Wilkins:
1074/24.8/6.7/2.5/21.6/.536/117.5

James Worthy:
926/17.6/5.1/3.0/17.7/.559/81.2

Rick Barry (NBA Only):
794/23.2/6.5/5.1/20.2/.510/93.4

Alex English:
1193/21.5/5.5/3.6/19.9/.550/100.7

On second though, move Lebron up to #1 now, move everybody else down, put English in at #9 and keep Barry at 10. Bye James Worthy.

 

[97Bulls]

After reading the last few pages of this post where you guys are saying that pippen doesn't deserve to be in the top 50 alltime, I about gave up hope that the posters on this thread will ever get there brain cells back...Just say no to drugs because it is distorting your logic, mind and vision...PIPPEN MORE THAN DESERVES TO BE ON THE TOP 50 LIST FOR CERTAIN..IF HE DIDN'T, HE WOULDN'T BE ON THE LIST IN THE FIRST PLACE..THE EXPERTS PLACED HIM THERE, NOPT A BUNCH OF WANNABE NO IT ALLS ON A MESSAGBOARD....I AM ASHAMED TO CALL YOU GUYS BULLS FANS SOMTIMES...I PERSONALLY WOULD PUT PIPPEN IN THE TOP 20 OF ALL TIME somewhere in between 10 to 15...That is my opinion in reality..you doont have to agree with me...It is what it is..

Thank you. Since I've joined this board I've gotton nothing but disrespect for pippen. And these guys are insulted when you say something they disagree with abiut him. I already questioned a lot of these guys loyalty as bulls fans. Not saying they must agree with me. But to the tune of calling me an idiot? The clear double standards? The clear disregard? The unachievable expectations? Come on.

 

[97Bulls]

You're probably right. My putting him at #6 is nothing more than his career not being over yet. He'll be #1 when he gets his 4th title. Anyways, the girlfriend is out of town so I'm going to put forward some research I've done.

I'm going to compare Pippen to the people on that list, plus Alex English, based on ppg, rpg, apg, player efficiency, true shooting %, and win share. I'll also throw in the number of games they played in their career.

Scottie Pippen:
1178/16.1/6.4/5.2/18.6/.536/125.1

Larry Bird:
897/24.3/10.0/6.3/23.5/.564/145.8

Elgin Baylor:
846/27.4/13.5/4.3/22.7/.494/104.2

Julius Erving (NBA Only):
836/22.0/6.7/4.2/22.0/.558/106.2

John Havlicek:
1270/20.8/6.3/4.8/17.5/.492/131.7

Adrian Dantley:
955/24.3/5.7/3.0/21.5/.617/134.2

Lebron James:
627/27.7/7.1/7.0/26.9/.566/118.9

Dominique Wilkins:
1074/24.8/6.7/2.5/21.6/.536/117.5

James Worthy:
926/17.6/5.1/3.0/17.7/.559/81.2

Rick Barry (NBA Only):
794/23.2/6.5/5.1/20.2/.510/93.4

Alex English:
1193/21.5/5.5/3.6/19.9/.550/100.7

On second though, move Lebron up to #1 now, move everybody else down, put English in at #9 and keep Barry at 10. Bye James Worthy.

Pippen holds his own against everyone on this list. And he played in an era that wasn't. Known for scoring. And he didn't have carte blanche like the other players on the list. You didn't put down the players usage % either. Usage shows hoe often the players have ball. And remember pippen had the ball in more of a pg sort of way. The others in a way condusive to getting their own shot. Another thing, pippen really should've retired three or four years before he did. He played the most games out of everybody. Would it be fair to use their career totals? Which pippen probably hadndedly win in rebounds, assist, stls, blks, etc?

 

[Glide2keva]

You're probably right. My putting him at #6 is nothing more than his career not being over yet. He'll be #1 when he gets his 4th title....

When did he win his first three?

It's not a given that he's going to get even one.

 

[Glide2keva]

Thank you. Since I've joined this board I've gotton nothing but disrespect for pippen. And these guys are insulted when you say something they disagree with abiut him. I already questioned a lot of these guys loyalty as bulls fans. Not saying they must agree with me. But to the tune of calling me an idiot? The clear double standards? The clear disregard? The unachievable expectations? Come on.

What do you expect from objective NBA fans? Their version of objectivity is to put down anything associated with the Bulls (outside of Jordan) and hype everything else, because then they wouldn't be biased.

Showing love for the Bulls ON A BULLS SITE is being biased.

 

[Glide2keva]

I don't understand how this thread got so far off topic. Are these guys really trying to put Pippen down that much?

Pippen is in my Top 5 All Time SF's and I don't care who disagrees. lebronze isn't even in my Top 20. Why? Because outside of living down to the hype he's gotten, he has done nothing in this league but put up empty stats and showboating, but failing in the playoffs time and time again.

It's crazy how a guy like Derrick Rose gets criticized for not winning in the playoffs, but lebronze gets a pass every year.

lebron losing in the playoffs is like clockwork, you can set your watch to it.

To me, Pippen is better than him. Yeah I said it. People like lebron is entitled to multiple championships, and it's gotten so bad that he is starting to believe his own hype. Too bad he can't live up to his hype.

People on here talking about him getting his 4th title, when he doesn't even have one. Like the first 3 are just a given.

That's what's so infuriating about and his love slaves. He never has to earn anything with them, they just hand him titles like it's his birthright.

Say what you want about Pippen, but he was an integral part of those 6 titles. And he kept the ship afloat while Jordan served out his suspension, (I mean retired). Pippen is an all-time great. Period, point blank. He deserves his Top 50 spot and still deserves it even if they redo it to include players since the list came out.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Pippen is not better than LeBron James.

 

[Glide2keva]

Pippen is not better than LeBron James.

Your opinion, you're entitled to it, and if by that you meant at being an arrogant ******, then you're absolutely correct in your assumption. And, as the LEADER of a team, they have the exact same amount of rings: 0

At least Pippen got 6 as a sidekick. lebron can't even do that.

 

[DCguy]

Do you guys think anyone is better than LeBron James? From the looks of things, the answer is no.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

At least LeBron James never refused to come in the game.

Scottie Pippen is a better post-up player and defender than James and is much less off at everything else.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Do you guys think anyone is better than LeBron James? From the looks of things, the answer is no.

Jordan
Abdul-Jabbar
Olajuwon
Magic
Shaq
Kobe Bryant

Those are a few.

 

[houheffna]

Pippen is not better than LeBron James.

Nobody knocks Bulls fandom, but when you say obviously stupid things about Bulls players comparable to the league...it can start to insult people's intelligence.

Pippen is NOT Rose and Lebron combined...

Pippen is NOT better than Lebron James...

Pippen was a great player...

If you don't think Pippen shits gold, that doesn't mean you hate Pippen or the Bulls, it probably means you are using common sense.

 

[Glide2keva]

At least LeBron James never refused to come in the game.

I can't tell by how he played in those 4th qrts.

Scottie Pippen is a better post-up player and defender than James and is much less off at everything else.

If by that you mean him doing a tomahawk dunk over and over again, then yeah you're right.

 

[houheffna]

Jordan
Abdul-Jabbar
Olajuwon
Magic
Shaq
Kobe Bryant

Those are a few.

The list of players better than James is quite a bit smaller than the list of players better than Pippen.

And if all Lebron does is dunk...somebody wasn't watching when Lebron was whupping the Bulls asses. Oh, speaking of just dunks...how did that Shaq fella work out with all of those dunks???

 

[Glide2keva]

Jordan
Abdul-Jabbar
Olajuwon
Magic
Shaq
Kobe Bryant
Wade
Duncan
Barkley
Dr. J.
Moses
Dirk

Those are a few.

You were missing some guys.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Lebron is definitely more talented than Pippen. But that's not really a slight to Pippen as it is a complement to Lebron. I don't understand why everyone's trying to turn this into the extremes (Pippen > MJ? What? Pippen doesn't deserve to be top 50?). Yes Lebron can do a lot of things better than Pippen, but Pippen can do those same things a lot better than most other players.

 

[Glide2keva]

And if you don't worship the ground lebron walks on, you're just a hater and can't face facts.

 

[Glide2keva]

Lebron is definitely more talented than Pippen. But that's not really a slight to Pippen as it is a complement to Lebron. I don't understand why everyone's trying to turn this into the extremes (Pippen > MJ? What? Pippen doesn't deserve to be top 50?). Yes Lebron can do a lot of things better than Pippen, but Pippen can do those same things a lot better than most other players.

I wouldn't say he's more talented than Pippen. More physically gifted? Sure, but more talented? not even slightly.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

career wise, i think pippen is arguably more accomplished..

and pippen is more versatile on defense

but lebron is a better scorer,its about even rebounding, and lebron has better court vision

lebron is more athletic,stronger,etc.

lebron has two MVPs...led cleveland to two 60 win seasons and an nba finals appearance

i respect your opinion..and i understand why you think pippen is better...and right now i dont think thats too ridiciulous to argue...pippen is quite a bit better than worthy(srsly worthy is overrated as hell)


i think lebron is better..but thats jmo

and no i dont think lebron is better than everyone else..but i think people take the finals as the bible and dictation for players because its in their most recent memory...

just a reality check..dirk is not a god...neither is wade..and lebron is still the best player on the planet

not to say at this point pippen>lebron is not a terrible argument...but just because lebron sucked in the finals doesnt mean we can make up crap(that's more in general..not directed towards the pippen argument)

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

You were missing some guys.

He's not better than Wade. Barkley is debatable. Dr. J?? No way. LeBron is way better than Dirk. Duncan is also debatable.