2011 Minor League Thread vol. 2

[daddies3angels]

Brett Jackson and Ryan Flaherty each homered in Iowa’s 10-5 loss to Oklahoma City on Friday. Jay Jackson gave up one run on six hits over seven innings and did not get a decision. It was his fifth straight quality start. Jackson had three hits and is batting .323. The homer was his ninth.

Again why isnt Jackson up in the MLB? I think he has proven he can hit AAA pitching. Its time to see Jackson in CF, Byrd in RF. Sorry Colvin but we need to see what how Jackson handles MLB pitching over the next month

 

[dabynsky]

Again why isnt Jackson up in the MLB? I think he has proven he can hit AAA pitching. Its time to see Jackson in CF, Byrd in RF. Sorry Colvin but we need to see what how Jackson handles MLB pitching over the next month

40 man roster spots are at a premium right now. The Cubs can add him when he is ready next season, and be able to protect one more guy over the winter by leaving Jackson in AAA. That is honestly more important than getting him scattered at bats at the major league level (yes I know he should play everyday, but this is Quade we are talking about who regular played Reed Johnson over Colvin when his GM specifically told the world that the reason they traded Fukudome was to get Colvin ABs)

 

[daddies3angels]

40 man roster spots are at a premium right now. The Cubs can add him when he is ready next season, and be able to protect one more guy over the winter by leaving Jackson in AAA. That is honestly more important than getting him scattered at bats at the major league level (yes I know he should play everyday, but this is Quade we are talking about who regular played Reed Johnson over Colvin when his GM specifically told the world that the reason they traded Fukudome was to get Colvin ABs)

So let me get this right. We are worried about the 39th and 40th man on a team that is on pace for 95+ losses? This is the time to play the future like Jackson. Cubs have to many 25 y/o + RP on the 40 man roster. They can find room for Jackson.

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=chc

Berg, Caridad, Gaub,Maine, Hill (enough said),Montanez...i just gave you 6 guys that wouldnt be claimed to be put on other 40 man rosters. to say that Cubs cant afford 40 man roster spot is just not right. Sorry a pitifull team like the Cubs teams dont want your 35-40 guys. So you play YOUR BEST options and Jackson is the best option right now in OF over Colvin.

 

[dabynsky]

So let me get this right. We are worried about the 39th and 40th man on a team that is on pace for 95+ losses? This is the time to play the future like Jackson. Cubs have to many 25 y/o + RP on the 40 man roster. They can find room for Jackson.

No I am worried about protecting the most young talent that we have. There are quite a few guys that are interesting that need to be protected over the winter (Marwin Gonzalez is a guy that could be really interesting). It isn't about making sure we don't lose Justin Berg. It is about making sure we don't lose guys like Jeff Beliveau, Steve Clevenger, Jay Jackson, Ryan Flaherty, Dae-Eun Rhee, Matt Sczcur, Larry Suarez, Josh Vitters, etc.

 

[dabynsky]

So let me get this right. We are worried about the 39th and 40th man on a team that is on pace for 95+ losses? This is the time to play the future like Jackson. Cubs have to many 25 y/o + RP on the 40 man roster. They can find room for Jackson.

40-Man Roster | cubs.com: Team

Berg, Caridad, Gaub,Maine, Hill (enough said),Montanez...i just gave you 6 guys that wouldnt be claimed to be put on other 40 man rosters. to say that Cubs cant afford 40 man roster spot is just not right. Sorry a pitifull team like the Cubs teams dont want your 35-40 guys. So you play YOUR BEST options and Jackson is the best option right now in OF over Colvin.

You added your list after my post, but look in my post above of those more than 6 guys that have to be added to the roster or we risking losing in the rule 5 draft.

 

[daddies3angels]

No I am worried about protecting the most young talent that we have. There are quite a few guys that are interesting that need to be protected over the winter (Marwin Gonzalez is a guy that could be really interesting). It isn't about making sure we don't lose Justin Berg. It is about making sure we don't lose guys like Jeff Beliveau, Steve Clevenger, Jay Jackson, Ryan Flaherty, Dae-Eun Rhee, Matt Sczcur, Larry Suarez, Josh Vitters, etc.

Jackson with over 5 ERA doesnt need protection. I will have to look up other guys minor league years to see which ones need protection 100%. I have hard time believing all those guys need protecting. After how many years in minors are you eligible for Rule 5 draft?

 

[Jntg4]

So let me get this right. We are worried about the 39th and 40th man on a team that is on pace for 95+ losses? This is the time to play the future like Jackson. Cubs have to many 25 y/o + RP on the 40 man roster. They can find room for Jackson.

40-Man Roster | cubs.com: Team

Berg, Caridad, Gaub,Maine, Hill (enough said),Montanez...i just gave you 6 guys that wouldnt be claimed to be put on other 40 man rosters. to say that Cubs cant afford 40 man roster spot is just not right. Sorry a pitifull team like the Cubs teams dont want your 35-40 guys. So you play YOUR BEST options and Jackson is the best option right now in OF over Colvin.

Not what he meant at all.

He meant that adding Jackson to the 40-man means that we have one less spot to replace a piece we don't need and nobody wants with a Rule V draft eligible player that we can protect by adding.

For example, someone like Matt Szczur who is Rule V draft eligible, (I know he wouldn't be the one to lose the spot though BTW, he's our #2 prospect after Jackson now, but this is just an example) wouldn't have a spot because we don't want to make Brett Jackson eligible by taking him off to protect Szczur.

See my/his point?

 

[dabynsky]

Jackson with over 5 ERA doesnt need protection. I will have to look up other guys minor league years to see which ones need protection 100%. I have hard time believing all those guys need protecting. After how many years in minors are you eligible for Rule 5 draft?

A 23 year old pitcher in one of the most hitter friendly leagues in baseball has an ERA over 5 yes. However, he has pitched a lot better since the all-star break with a 4.5 ERA. And this month his ERA is down 3.13. Look I don't think Jay Jackson is great, but he is a guy that has the potential to be a backend of the rotation starter. I don't think it is worth the risk of losing a guy with some upside and time to reach it for the sake of gaining a month of big league time for Jackson.

 

[daddies3angels]

Not what he meant at all.

He meant that adding Jackson to the 40-man means that we have one less spot to replace a piece we don't need and nobody wants with a Rule V draft eligible player that we can protect by adding.

For example, someone like Matt Szczur who is Rule V draft eligible, (I know he wouldn't be the one to lose the spot though BTW, he's our #2 prospect after Jackson now, but this is just an example) wouldn't have a spot because we don't want to make Brett Jackson eligible by taking him off to protect Szczur.

See my/his point?

I understand the logic but when your a BAD team like Cubs you should play your best young players and Jackson is that. Cubs can figure out 1 roster spot for him.

 

[daddies3angels]

A 23 year old pitcher in one of the most hitter friendly leagues in baseball has an ERA over 5 yes. However, he has pitched a lot better since the all-star break with a 4.5 ERA. And this month his ERA is down 3.13. Look I don't think Jay Jackson is great, but he is a guy that has the potential to be a backend of the rotation starter. I don't think it is worth the risk of losing a guy with some upside and time to reach it for the sake of gaining a month of big league time for Jackson.

That 1 month could help decide what Cubs do in offseason for OF. Think about it if he does well then they can TRADE Byrd to get more depth in the farm. If he struggles then you think about keeping Byrd to give him extra time in AAA. So 1 month playing time for Jackson could help decide on future option in the OF

 

[dabynsky]

I understand the logic but when your a BAD team like Cubs you should play your best young players and Jackson is that. Cubs can figure out 1 roster spot for him.

I can make the same argument for my case with that logic though. This team is bad and needs all the young players with upside it can keep. Leaving Jackson off means that this team can protect one more player over the winter.

I am anxious as anyone to see Jackson because my god a Cubs hitter who actually is willing to take a walk. That said patience might be advised given the roster crunch coming this winter.

 

[daddies3angels]

I can make the same argument for my case with that logic though. This team is bad and needs all the young players with upside it can keep. Leaving Jackson off means that this team can protect one more player over the winter.

I am anxious as anyone to see Jackson because my god a Cubs hitter who actually is willing to take a walk. That said patience might be advised given the roster crunch coming this winter.

So lets say cause they bring up Jackson for 1 month and they lose 1 guy in the Rule V draft BUT they find out that he is ready to be every day CF for the next 10 years, Marlon Byrd is now tradeable and they can get MORE prospects for depth. So they might lose 1 guy BUT could pick up 3 more if they find out Jackson is ready. Honestly i think and i believe u think Jackson is ready.

 

[dabynsky]

So lets say cause they bring up Jackson for 1 month and they lose 1 guy in the Rule V draft BUT they find out that he is ready to be every day CF for the next 10 years, Marlon Byrd is now tradeable and they can get MORE prospects for depth. So they might lose 1 guy BUT could pick up 3 more if they find out Jackson is ready. Honestly i think and i believe u think Jackson is ready.

I would buy that logic if there was any reason to believe that the Cubs weren't going to hand him the CF job next spring no matter what happens this year. And really I would argue that decision is not between Bryd and Jackson, but is between Bryd and Colvin to determine if Bryd is expendable or not.

 

[daddies3angels]

I would buy that logic if there was any reason to believe that the Cubs weren't going to hand him the CF job next spring no matter what happens this year. And really I would argue that decision is not between Bryd and Jackson, but is between Bryd and Colvin to determine if Bryd is expendable or not.

I agree also its between Byrd/Colvin. I just think if Cubs can trade him and save 6.5 mil next year and help with Fielder AND SP that would be smart. Byrd is a good player but is just AVG at everything. Colvin still has potential to become a .250 hitter 25 HR 80 RBI guy. Basically a younger Soriano who runs better and plays better D lol

 

[Jntg4]

That 1 month could help decide what Cubs do in offseason for OF. Think about it if he does well then they can TRADE Byrd to get more depth in the farm. If he struggles then you think about keeping Byrd to give him extra time in AAA. So 1 month playing time for Jackson could help decide on future option in the OF

Pretty sure Byrd will be gone either way. Or he'll replace Colvin, but the Cubs still see a future OF of Szczur-Jackson-Colvin. Quade screwed over Colvin this year.

Either way, Jackson is our starting Center Fielder come April 1st.

 

[Jntg4]

I wish we'd have just just traded Byrd by now, then this wouldn't be an issue, lol.

 

[daddies3angels]

Here is great article on what we talking about lol

What's up with Brett Jackson? Cubs being coy - DailyHerald.com

The 40-man roster does not seem to be an issue, but the Cubs don't appear in any hurry to start Jackson's “service-time clock.” Currently, the 40-man is at 37, and it will go to 39 when pitcher Andrew Cashner comes off the 60-day disabled list and first baseman Bryan LaHair comes up from Iowa, as expected.

So there goes that theory that 40 man roster has anything to do with it.

Byrd figures into the equation again. Had the Cubs been able to trade Byrd this summer, that might have paved the way for Jackson. But there were no takers, and Byrd still has one year left on his contract. The Cubs and whoever their new GM is likely will try to move Byrd this winter, opening the way for the Jackson to take the job and run with it in spring training.

Thats where Cubs need to be smart and trade Byrd for prospects. He not going to be part of team in 2-3 years when they should start competiting again.

As long as Byrd is here, he's going to play, but I can certainly envision a scenario where you could give Jackson starts in left, center and right, keeping most of the outfielders reasonably busy and maybe even reasonably happy. The Cubs also need to continue getting playing time for right fielder Tyler Colvin.

Playing Jackson around the diamond next year would be a mistake. They need to pick 1 postion for him and keep him there.

My verdict on Jackson: Bring him up next week and let him play every day. But the Cubs didn't ask me, and I don't think they'll start taking my advice now.

Maybe him and i should start running the team . Couldnt do any worse then 103 years no World Series

 

[dabynsky]

Here is great article on what we talking about lol

What's up with Brett Jackson? Cubs being coy - DailyHerald.com




So there goes that theory that 40 man roster has anything to do with it.

Your quote only points out that there are 40 man roster spots available now. That has never been the issue. Now if the Cubs aren't concerned about the fact that they have 8 guys at the upper minors and a top prospect in the high minors that are eligible for rule 5 draft next year is a scary thought.

Thats where Cubs need to be smart and trade Byrd for prospects. He not going to be part of team in 2-3 years when they should start competiting again.

The odds of being able to trade him will be much higher at the deadline if they are out of it than from this point on.

Playing Jackson around the diamond next year would be a mistake. They need to pick 1 postion for him and keep him there.

I don't think there is a question about that. He seems to be either a CF or LF by most listings. So Jackson taking over CF full time whenever it happens shouldn't be a question.

Maybe him and i should start running the team

Our farm system would be toast the second you took over. I saw how you ran the Cubs in OTB.

 

[daddies3angels]

Your quote only points out that there are 40 man roster spots available now. That has never been the issue. Now if the Cubs aren't concerned about the fact that they have 8 guys at the upper minors and a top prospect in the high minors that are eligible for rule 5 draft next year is a scary thought.


The odds of being able to trade him will be much higher at the deadline if they are out of it than from this point on.





I don't think there is a question about that. He seems to be either a CF or LF by most listings. So Jackson taking over CF full time whenever it happens shouldn't be a question.




Our farm system would be toast the second you took over. I saw how you ran the Cubs in OTB.

I made 4 World Series on OTB and WON WORLD SERIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I bet Cub fans would take that

 

[dabynsky]

I made 4 World Series on OTB and WON WORLD SERIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I bet Cub fans would take that

Finding suckers to take your bad contracts is a lot easier in OTB than in real life as Jim Hendry can probably tell you.