2013-14 NHL Season Discussion

Status
Not open for further replies.

roshinaya

fnord
Donator
Joined:
May 15, 2010
Posts:
3,533
Liked Posts:
440
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Variable" data-cid="210931" data-time="1381804293">

god the West is just dominating the East so far. Record is something like 24-6.</p></blockquote>
I always thought that the West have tougher competition and better systems to contend with than the East and so far it seems to be true. East is all about the very talented individuals on the team and the West might not have the same superstars, but they have teams and teams most of the time prevail in the end.
 

Variable

New member
Joined:
Jul 24, 2010
Posts:
3,023
Liked Posts:
122
Yeah I always understood that, that the West especially had the defensive edge on the East, but they're getting slaughtered.  That's why I think Detroit will do well in the East.</p>
 

roshinaya

fnord
Donator
Joined:
May 15, 2010
Posts:
3,533
Liked Posts:
440
The Monday DET-BOS game was very good and DET looked really competent against the big bad Bruins, although they didn't look too bad either. It's those two and I guess also Pittsburgh who will duke it out for the East. And the first two are like West teams.
 

JOVE23

New member
Joined:
Jun 15, 2010
Posts:
2,458
Liked Posts:
0
Max Lapierre can eat a bowl of dicks</p>


 </p>


[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIO8ShhkJTc[/video]</p>
 

JOVE23

New member
Joined:
Jun 15, 2010
Posts:
2,458
Liked Posts:
0
Seems like Brett Burns returned the favor. This one could be a bloodbath.</p>


 </p>


ibrSApXmIUCGAi.gif
</p>


 </p>


[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFFn-Q7zboQ[/video]</p>
 

Chief Walking Stick

CCS Donator
Donator
Joined:
May 12, 2010
Posts:
47,886
Liked Posts:
26,376
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="JOVE23" data-cid="211153" data-time="1381885945">

Max Lapierre can eat a bowl of dicks
 
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIO8ShhkJTc[/video]</p></blockquote>
Typical Blues bullshit. At least the SHarks capitalized on the PP.
 

CLWolf81

Fan Captain
Joined:
May 15, 2010
Posts:
3,107
Liked Posts:
96
Location:
Chicago, Illinois
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="JOVE23" data-cid="211153" data-time="1381885945">
<div>


Max Lapierre can eat a bowl of dicks</p>


 </p>


[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIO8ShhkJTc[/video]</p>
</div>
</blockquote>


Once a Canuck, always a Canuck... I thought we learned this ages ago.... </p>
 

Shantz My Pants

New member
Joined:
Dec 10, 2014
Posts:
3,923
Liked Posts:
787
Yep, cause fighting is the biggest issue in the NHL nowadays. At least with fighting there is respect involved 99% of the time.


Vicious blind side hits and head contact really can't be as much of an issue as fighting /sarcasm.
 

Spunky Porkstacker

CCS Donator
Donator
Joined:
Jun 6, 2010
Posts:
15,741
Liked Posts:
7,308
Location:
NW Burbs
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Variable" data-cid="211309" data-time="1381954358">
<div>


Good thing no one's said that here then.</p>
</div>
</blockquote>


:eek:rcs-buttshake:</p>
 

Ton

New member
Joined:
May 14, 2010
Posts:
3,991
Liked Posts:
124
Location:
Park Ridge, IL
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Trev" data-cid="210197" data-time="1380771108">
<div>


Not gonna happen. Fighting in hockey will never be voted away by the PA. Stiffer rules? Sure. But fighting will never be outlawed.


Say you outlaw fights, well clean hits cause concussions too, do you outlaw that next?


The players don't need anyone to "save them from themselves". These are grown men who have been playing the game this way for ever and see no problem with it. When the players start asking for it to be banned, then take it out. Till then, try and rid the staged fights and be done with it.</p>
</div>
</blockquote>


 </p>


As much as I feel fighting has a place in the game, I would not be surprised if it is banned at some point.</p>
 

LordKOTL

Scratched for Vorobiev
Joined:
Dec 8, 2014
Posts:
8,676
Liked Posts:
3,046
Location:
PacNW
My favorite teams
  1. Portland Timbers
  1. Chicago Blackhawks
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Ton DeFrancesco" data-cid="211395" data-time="1381985009">
<div>


As much as I feel fighting has a place in the game, I would not be surprised if it is banned at some point.</p>
</div>
</blockquote>


It very well might, and just like the World Juniors where fighting is banned, you'll still have incidents like the infamous Punch-up in Piest'any.</p>


 </p>


Hey, I know fighting isn't about deterrance, it's about retribution plain and simple.  I'm okay with that and Im embrace my bloodthirsty side. </p>


 </p>


I just think that for fartknocker cheapshot artists, they need some karmic retribution.  In many cases we won't be so lucky to have incidents where Carcillo, on his cheapshot, also put him out for the year. It'snot like the leage is really throwing the book at them anyway.</p>
 

BiscuitintheBasket

CCS Donator
Donator
Joined:
May 15, 2010
Posts:
3,802
Liked Posts:
0
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Grimson" data-cid="211419" data-time="1382019048">
<div>


Only 24 more goals for Selanne!!


#700FORTEEMU!!!!</p>
</div>
</blockquote>


 </p>


 </p>


For the sake of my fantasy team it would be nice if he averages 4 a week to get there.</p>
 

Variable

New member
Joined:
Jul 24, 2010
Posts:
3,023
Liked Posts:
122
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="LordKOTL" data-cid="211423" data-time="1382021500">
<div>


It very well might, and just like the World Juniors where fighting is banned, you'll still have incidents like the infamous Punch-up in Piest'any.</p>


 </p>


Hey, I know fighting isn't about deterrance, it's about retribution plain and simple.  I'm okay with that and Im embrace my bloodthirsty side. </p>


 </p>


I just think that for fartknocker cheapshot artists, they need some karmic retribution.  In many cases we won't be so lucky to have incidents where Carcillo, on his cheapshot, also put him out for the year. It'snot like the leage is really throwing the book at them anyway.</p>
</div>
</blockquote>


 </p>


Right but that's what has to change if  you want player behavior to change, which I think everyone is in agreement we don't want to see dirty hits like what Carcillo tried to do. No amount of fights are going to change guys like Steve Ott or Matt Cooke or Chris Neil, guys that will always have a job in the NHL because they can actually play hockey, but are dirty players nonetheless. They'll continue being the type of player they are until you hit them where it hurts most, ice time and in the bank account.  The league has  done it before, they can do it again. It just a matter of them seeing it as important as it really is. Haven't quite gotten to that point yet. For the NFL, it took losing a multimillion dollar lawsuit.</p>
 

LordKOTL

Scratched for Vorobiev
Joined:
Dec 8, 2014
Posts:
8,676
Liked Posts:
3,046
Location:
PacNW
My favorite teams
  1. Portland Timbers
  1. Chicago Blackhawks
Variable:  it's why you have to look at the whole fighting argument as a cart/horse equation. As much as fighting/enforcers/goons didn't do jack or shit to prevent Max Lapierre's hit, Banning fighting would not have done jack or shit to prevent it either.</p>


 </p>


One of the main reasons for fighting is the heat of the moment and retribution--like how the Sharks swarmed on Lapierre after the hit.  Now, if you *really* throw the book at the cheapshot artists--like if Lapierre is out as long as Boyle is medically unfit to play as determened by a neutral doctor, and for the duration Lapierre has to pay for Boye's medical bills, salary, and the Blues are penalized the aggregate cap hit of Boyle and Lapierre's cap for the duration the Boyle is medically unfit to play, then you'll see cheapshots start to dwindle, and the ensuing fights start to dwindle--especially considring how much and how long Torres would have been shelling out the pooper for his hit on Hossa, and how it would have put the Coyotes in a hole.</p>


 </p>


It still wouldn't get rid of fighting, but the culture change would make it more rare.</p>


 </p>


In summary; fighting doesn't need to be currtailed or banned--cheapshots need to be more strictly penalised to the point where pugilistic retribution is the least of the assailing players' worries.  That will bring fighting down naturally.</p>
 

BiscuitintheBasket

CCS Donator
Donator
Joined:
May 15, 2010
Posts:
3,802
Liked Posts:
0
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="LordKOTL" data-cid="211535" data-time="1382049826">
<div>


Variable:  it's why you have to look at the whole fighting argument as a cart/horse equation. As much as fighting/enforcers/goons didn't do jack or shit to prevent Max Lapierre's hit, Banning fighting would not have done jack or shit to prevent it either.</p>


 </p>


One of the main reasons for fighting is the heat of the moment and retribution--like how the Sharks swarmed on Lapierre after the hit.  Now, if you *really* throw the book at the cheapshot artists--like if Lapierre is out as long as Boyle is medically unfit to play as determened by a neutral doctor, and for the duration Lapierre has to pay for Boye's medical bills, salary, and the Blues are penalized the aggregate cap hit of Boyle and Lapierre's cap for the duration the Boyle is medically unfit to play, then you'll see cheapshots start to dwindle, and the ensuing fights start to dwindle--especially considring how much and how long Torres would have been shelling out the pooper for his hit on Hossa, and how it would have put the Coyotes in a hole.</p>


 </p>


It still wouldn't get rid of fighting, but the culture change would make it more rare.</p>


 </p>


In summary; fighting doesn't need to be currtailed or banned--cheapshots need to be more strictly penalised to the point where pugilistic retribution is the least of the assailing players' worries.  That will bring fighting down naturally.</p>
</div>
</blockquote>


 </p>


 </p>


Spot on</p>
 

Variable

New member
Joined:
Jul 24, 2010
Posts:
3,023
Liked Posts:
122
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="LordKOTL" data-cid="211535" data-time="1382049826">
<div>


Variable:  it's why you have to look at the whole fighting argument as a cart/horse equation. As much as fighting/enforcers/goons didn't do jack or shit to prevent Max Lapierre's hit, Banning fighting would not have done jack or shit to prevent it either.</p>


 </p>


One of the main reasons for fighting is the heat of the moment and retribution--like how the Sharks swarmed on Lapierre after the hit.  Now, if you *really* throw the book at the cheapshot artists--like if Lapierre is out as long as Boyle is medically unfit to play as determened by a neutral doctor, and for the duration Lapierre has to pay for Boye's medical bills, salary, and the Blues are penalized the aggregate cap hit of Boyle and Lapierre's cap for the duration the Boyle is medically unfit to play, then you'll see cheapshots start to dwindle, and the ensuing fights start to dwindle--especially considring how much and how long Torres would have been shelling out the pooper for his hit on Hossa, and how it would have put the Coyotes in a hole.</p>


 </p>


It still wouldn't get rid of fighting, but the culture change would make it more rare.</p>


 </p>


In summary; fighting doesn't need to be currtailed or banned--cheapshots need to be more strictly penalised to the point where pugilistic retribution is the least of the assailing players' worries.  That will bring fighting down naturally.</p>
</div>
</blockquote>


 </p>


I didn't say it would though. That's never been the argument. My post was talking about stricter discipline by the league for dirty/cheap hits. The better argument for getting rid of fighting is simply because it doesn't do anything  and you only ever have something to lose, nothing to gain. As you said it doesn't affect the dirty players in deterring them. So why would the league willingly contribute to potential further head trauma for players for no good reason while, at the same time, talk about how serious they want to take that issue? Until they disallow that from happening, they're being massive hypocrites. The amount of concussions is never going to equal what you get from hits, just because of the sheer amount of hits vs. fights, but the percentages are higher you get it from a fight rather than a hit.</p>


 </p>


Rest of the post besides the suspension being as long as the injured player is out I can agree with. Especially on the neutral doctor point. That should exist for everything, not just head injuries. Never liked the idea of team appointed doctors in any sport.</p>
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Top