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He will probley get 1-2 games a week but he will mostly talk hitting with Baez and Bryant. That is the reason he got promoted. To help those 2 make the adjustment needed to play in the majors. Manny was a very solid breaking ball hitter. It should help their development.
 

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Not to mention Manny should be hitting Iowa soon. If any one can teach Lake something about being a major league hitter is is Manny. It could save his career. Right now his approach will never last.

I hope Manny can help him.

But what does it say about our organization that we don't have coaches who can teach the right approach?

How can we have so many guys come through the system over the years who constantly get themselves out? They help the pitchers out constantly, chasing pitches out of the zone, etc.

I don't see this with other teams. That's not to say they don't have the occasional guy who does, or that any player doesn't do it sometime.

But we have guys who just don't seem to know when to make a pitcher throw strikes, when to shorten up the stroke and make contact with a guy on 3rd and nobody out, for example. We have guys swinging for the fences in the 9th, with the bases empty, down two or three runs. Other teams have guys who know they just need to get on, and a walk is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing. Etc., etc.

If Manny can teach some of that, great! But we should have guys at every level teaching that, and we clearly do not.
 

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A 1 year fix will not gain a long term solution.



Can not disagree. Jaxx has never produced at AAA. Olt has never produced at AAA. Vitters has. He is a maybe.

But I would not want to slow down Bryant and Baez's promotion over it.

Right now we are probable looking at Alcantara and Hendricks. Baez if he progresses. Bryant a big maybe.

Next year we are looking at:

Alcantara
Castro
Rizzo
Bryant
Baez

On the team. I for one do not want to add players just to add them. Looking at that line up it needs 1 power LH bat until Schwarber promotes. Seth Smith IMO is a prime target. After that they have to figure who is playing what position.

The more I look at it. They could pull a shocker trade and deal out Castro. He is looking like he will get a All star bid and will be a hot ticket with Shark. Also a All star most likely.

They could sell high on both. Then promote both Baez and Alcantara.

This puts the team at:
LF: Lake
CF: Bonifacio
RF: Schierholtz
3B: Valbuena
SS: Baez
2B: Alcantara
1B: Rizzo
C: Castillo

Return wise they could add a MLB ready arm.

This puts the line up at:
Bonifacio
Alcantara
Rizzo
Baez
Valbuena
Lake
Schierholtz
Castillo

Now this also leaves 3B open for Bryant next year and If they went out and signed Smith to a 2 year deal. I'm thinking right now that Schwarber will hit AA next spring. His development is along the same lines as Bryant's was. We could be seeing him in 2016 and I for one do not want to see him road blocked by contract. In view of this Smith in LF and Ruggiano, Vitters or Lake in RF works.

Ideal situation in the OF is Schwarber in LF, Almora in CF, Soler in RF long term. Almora has struggled this year and Soler has not played. So in view of this they have to take it more seriously on finding realistic answers vs plug and play.

Seth Smith is my #1 target. Melky is interesting but frankly they need to replace Shark more than add another bat looking at it next year.

They could just run out:
LF: Lake
CF: Alcantara
RF: Bryant
3B: Valbuena
SS: Castro
2B: Baez
1B: Rizzo
C: Castillo

You take the 4 best players on the team now and then add 3 top 100 prospects. Lake would be the only one I would be concerned with here.
Then use that payroll flexibility to sign a legit Ace. Eat Jackson's contract and sign another SP.

Even still, what are you at in payroll? 60 million? Pathetic for any team the size of the Cubs and you have not given much of a chance to succeed next year unless Baez and Bryant hit the ground running which is rare.

I would still rather have legit players like Panda and Cabrera and I've said it before that they block no one. As far as Schwarber, he is a couple of years off and so is Almora. Nothing wrong with depth in an organization which allows trades to happen.

Find a LF for a 3 year deal and you can go as much as 4-5 years on a legit 3rd basemen if the age is right. There are still plenty of places for young players to play because you are literally saying that all of them will pan out which is next to impossible.
 

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“As a player/coach, there are no boundaries with his teammates. Sometimes, when you’re a coach, no matter how well you can communicate, no matter how well you can connect with players, there’s always a little bit of a boundary there.

“One person’s a coach, one person’s a player. But as a teammate, there’s often full transparency and you can admit things (about) your mental approach and your anxieties in the box and things like that. So I actually think it could work and I became more comfortable with that concept.”

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Even still, what are you at in payroll? 60 million? Pathetic for any team the size of the Cubs and you have not given much of a chance to succeed next year unless Baez and Bryant hit the ground running which is rare.

I would still rather have legit players like Panda and Cabrera and I've said it before that they block no one. As far as Schwarber, he is a couple of years off and so is Almora. Nothing wrong with depth in an organization which allows trades to happen.

Find a LF for a 3 year deal and you can go as much as 4-5 years on a legit 3rd basemen if the age is right. There are still plenty of places for young players to play because you are literally saying that all of them will pan out which is next to impossible.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tt7HjIernphaSrv4wMWdUYg&output=html

31.160 Committed to 8 players.

Edwin Jackson 11 mil
Starlin Castro 6.857 mil
Kyuji Fujikawa 500k
Jorge Soler 2.667 mil
Anthony Rizzo 5.286 mil
Ryan Sweeney 1.5 mil
Jose Veras .15 mil
Gerardo Concepcion 1.2 mil


Players in Arb I see retaining:

Travis Wood: I see 5.5 mil
Justin Ruggiano 3 mil
Russell 2 mil
Luis Valbuena 3 mil
Wesley Wright 2 mil
Pedro Strop 1.5 mil
Jake Arrieta 4 mil
Welington Castillo 2 mil
Arodys Vizcaino 1 mil

Under control:

Arismendy Alcantara 500k
Javier Baez: 500K
Kris Bryant 500K
Neil Ramirez 500K
Hector Rondon 500K
Justin Grimm 500K


58.16 mil just here.

Say they eat 5 mil of Jacksons deal to move him:

Add 6 mil to the total

64.16 mil

Now to back fill 3 rotation spots they need an ace. Arrieta looks like a legit 2. Wood in reality is a 4. Hendricks is fine as a 5.

So they now need 2 SP.

Says they trade Shark to the Jays and get Aaron Sanchez back. He cecome the #3 SP. Use Wood to split the rookies from going back to back.

Add 500 K here then 500 k for Hendricks.

65.16 mil

That leaves an Ace. My Guy is Jon Lester

31 YO I would expect Theo to go up to 6 years at max. He has proven so I'm thinking 22 mil on avg.

Add 20 mil

85.16 mil

21 players total.

Still need to add 4.

It jumps up fast.
 

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https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tt7HjIernphaSrv4wMWdUYg&output=html

31.160 Committed to 8 players.

Edwin Jackson 11 mil
Starlin Castro 6.857 mil
Kyuji Fujikawa 500k
Jorge Soler 2.667 mil
Anthony Rizzo 5.286 mil
Ryan Sweeney 1.5 mil
Jose Veras .15 mil
Gerardo Concepcion 1.2 mil


Players in Arb I see retaining:

Travis Wood: I see 5.5 mil
Justin Ruggiano 3 mil
Russell 2 mil
Luis Valbuena 3 mil
Wesley Wright 2 mil
Pedro Strop 1.5 mil
Jake Arrieta 4 mil
Welington Castillo 2 mil
Arodys Vizcaino 1 mil

Under control:

Arismendy Alcantara 500k
Javier Baez: 500K
Kris Bryant 500K
Neil Ramirez 500K
Hector Rondon 500K
Justin Grimm 500K


58.16 mil just here.

Say they eat 5 mil of Jacksons deal to move him:

Add 6 mil to the total

64.16 mil

Now to back fill 3 rotation spots they need an ace. Arrieta looks like a legit 2. Wood in reality is a 4. Hendricks is fine as a 5.

So they now need 2 SP.

Says they trade Shark to the Jays and get Aaron Sanchez back. He cecome the #3 SP. Use Wood to split the rookies from going back to back.

Add 500 K here then 500 k for Hendricks.

65.16 mil

That leaves an Ace. My Guy is Jon Lester

31 YO I would expect Theo to go up to 6 years at max. He has proven so I'm thinking 22 mil on avg.

Add 20 mil

85.16 mil

21 players total.

Still need to add 4.

It jumps up fast.

Point being, the line-up hasn't changed AGAIN. You can't make lateral moves and swap out your ace and get another one, trade another pitcher and get someone else. You also have to add offense, so they are going to have to bite the bullet some time, and the only non-starting position players I would bring back is Bonafacio and Valbuena because of their versatility.

Also, if they don't get the proper return for Shark, I would just let them trade out Hammel, some others, and hold onto Shark. Therefore they can commit to some offense and then get Hendricks eased into the rotation.

As far as the bullpen, Russell, Strop, or Wright could be used to sweeten the pot on a trade this year.

Offense, or lackthereof is a huge factor for this team. They need to find it and give themselves a fighting chance without hedging it on the shoulders of Baez, Bryant, and Alcantara to come in and save the day.

Going through another year to see what you have isn't doing this team any good, and before I start to frustrate my core (if they haven't already), I am adding some free agents who are proven. That would go a long way for the Cubs youth and the organization as a whole.
 

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Point being, the line-up hasn't changed AGAIN. You can't make lateral moves and swap out your ace and get another one, trade another pitcher and get someone else. You also have to add offense, so they are going to have to bite the bullet some time, and the only non-starting position players I would bring back is Bonafacio and Valbuena because of their versatility.

Lester is a little more proven than Shark is. More of a play off track record.

Arrieta IMO is going to be better than Hammel looking forward.

Sanchez will be for that matter anything will be better than Jackson over the next 2 years.

IMO making those move makes the rotation better than retaining what they have. Hammel is regressing back to his norms and Jackson sucks. Shark we don't know where he ends up as. Wood off and on. Arrieta is the only one I believe has long term top of the rotation potential.

Ya they need to invest here.


Now on a bat. I suggested Seth Smith for a corner OF spot. With Bryant, Castro, Baez and Castillo in the line up they need a LH bat more than another RH bat. If 2008 tought us anything having a RH heavy line up is exploitable. You need balance.

Schwarber at the earliest point I see hitting in 2016. Smith in 1 corner spot makes sense. His bat has been Rizzo minus the HR's.

So looking at it that way:

Alcantara
Castro
Rizzo
Bryant
Smith
Baez
Valbuena
Castillo

L/R/L as it gets. Not getting into positions. You just put the best D on the field here. But I think I would go with Bryant in RF and Valbuena at 3B. Looked and they have 2 years of control with him past this year.

Say they have to pay 15 mil for Smith. That puts payroll at 100 mil. Now I believe Smith gets 8 mil but anywho Add 3 bench players for 2 mil.

That team looks like it can win games and it has longer term potential.
 

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Interesting that in Cot's Excel sheet they list that Jackson has a 13 MM salary, but on their actual site he has 11 MM. Not a huge difference, but a difference none the less.

Anyway, I don't understand the hate with wanting Jackson off the team. I mean, I do... he has gotten knocked around. But that doesn't mean they should have a knee jerk reaction and trade him.

He has a LD% of 27%, which is just absolutely ridiculous. Not surprising, it's the highest in the MLB. Since 2000, only Kenny Rogers in 2003 and Ted Lilly in 2003 have had higher LD%. Point is, it's not sustainable. It will go down. He has a BABIP of .344 as well, which is the highest of his career.

I'm not trying to say that Jackson is a savior, because he isn't. He has several flaws, including an increased BB/9, although his K/BB rate is close to normal due to the highest K/9 rate of his career as well. But, his FIP, xFIP, and SIERA are all right around where they should be.

Out of the 4 years that they have Edwin, if he is going to have an off year or a bad year, this is definitely the year to have it. He's still on pace to be about a 2 win player, which as long as he does, he will be living up to his contract.
 

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Interesting that in Cot's Excel sheet they list that Jackson has a 13 MM salary, but on their actual site he has 11 MM. Not a huge difference, but a difference none the less.

Anyway, I don't understand the hate with wanting Jackson off the team. I mean, I do... he has gotten knocked around. But that doesn't mean they should have a knee jerk reaction and trade him.

He has a LD% of 27%, which is just absolutely ridiculous. Not surprising, it's the highest in the MLB. Since 2000, only Kenny Rogers in 2003 and Ted Lilly in 2003 have had higher LD%. Point is, it's not sustainable. It will go down. He has a BABIP of .344 as well, which is the highest of his career.

I'm not trying to say that Jackson is a savior, because he isn't. He has several flaws, including an increased BB/9, although his K/BB rate is close to normal due to the highest K/9 rate of his career as well. But, his FIP, xFIP, and SIERA are all right around where they should be.

Out of the 4 years that they have Edwin, if he is going to have an off year or a bad year, this is definitely the year to have it. He's still on pace to be about a 2 win player, which as long as he does, he will be living up to his contract.

He has never pitched well in Wrigg pre signing and he has not pitched well for the Cubs.

Few things I judge SP on:

IP per game: Jackson 5.575 per game. I usually think min should be 6 1/3 on avg. So he is putting too much stress on the pen.

#2: WHIP: Pretty basic stuff. Is he putting guys on base. He is at 1.52 per inning. Looking at it closer: IP: 89.2 Hits 88. So that part is solid. BB: 39. BB/IP is .437. Almost 1 BB every other IP. That is too high for a 1:1 hit ratio.
A good pitcher should be around 1.25-1.30 range on WHIP.

#3 ERA: 5.22. Enuf said here. That is bad even in the AL....
 

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One of the reason why Wood was so good last year was in his WHIP: 1.15 WHIP and it translated to 3.11 ERA

This year 1.37 WHIP. 4.55 ERA.

There is a direct correlation between the 2.

With Wood His IP was 200. Hits 163. .815 Hit: IP Very good. BB 66. .33 BB: IP.
Now 89 IP 88 Hits. Up to a 1:1 BB: 34 .382 BB:IP Little higher.

So IMO Wood has more to do with hitting his location. His BB did not take a major hit.

He is fixable.

Jackson on the other hand: He was bad last year and he is bad this year. He has been getting luckier with the W/L. But his production has been sub par still.
 

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I'd argue Wood was pretty lucky last year with a .248 BABIP. That's closer to a league average with .293 this year. His walk rate is up slightly too but 50 points in BABIP is probably not helping matters. I think Wood's more a case of a regression to the mean. He is possibly slightly better than his 4.09 FIP suggests. His 3.89 FIP last year is in line with that range.
 

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I'd argue Wood was pretty lucky last year with a .248 BABIP. That's closer to a league average with .293 this year. His walk rate is up slightly too but 50 points in BABIP is probably not helping matters. I think Wood's more a case of a regression to the mean. He is possibly slightly better than his 4.09 FIP suggests. His 3.89 FIP last year is in line with that range.

He had 5 BB tonight with 7 hits in less than 7 IP. He is not hitting his location as he did last year. We can go with mean Fip but it comes down to location of his pitches.

By the numbers he doesn't have last years command.

He was pitching like a 2 last year. This year he is in the 4-5 range. He is somewhere inbetween IMO.
 

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Edwin Jackson's struggles look familiar
June, 26, 2014
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CHICAGO -- After a season and a half of Chicago Cubs pitcher Edwin Jackson trying to capture some of his past success, it might simply be time to admit that he is what he is: a starter that can’t do much better than allow four to five runs per game.

He can "grind" through outings and battle all he wants, but on most nights, several runs are going to be scored and he’s not going to outpitch his counterpart.

Wednesday was yet another one of those nights:

Jackson went 5⅓ innings while giving up four runs on six hits and four walks in a 4-1 loss to the Cincinnati Reds. That’s not a performance that will cost him his job, but it’s not anything a good team wants to see every fifth day, either.

Having said that, the Cubs are not a good team right now anyhow.

[+] EnlargeEdwin Jackson
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Cubs starter Edwin Jackson has a 5.22 ERA this season after 4.98 last season.
"I thought for the most part I was able to contain them until the sixth inning," Jackson said after the loss. "For the most part I feel like I made a couple decent pitches."

Containing them until the sixth inning isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement, not when opponent Mat Latos contained the Cubs all the way through seven innings. The latter had nothing to do with Jackson, but where is it written he can’t win a 2-1 or 1-0 game?

"Today was 1-1 ballgame," Cubs manager Rick Renteria said. "Both guys were pitching extremely well. I thought he had a chance to work himself through that inning. It just didn’t work out."

There was a walk, a double, a single and another double before Jackson was chased. In other words, it was a normal one-bad-inning outing for him.

He’s had one too many of those types of outings in his short Cubs career. He has a 5.22 ERA this season after 4.98 last year. Compared to the other Cubs starters, Jackson simply looks like he’s in a different class -- and not in a good way.

"That’s the great thing about starting," Jackson said. "You don’t get the job done one day, the next guy comes back behind you and gets it done.

"Been feeling pretty good. I know the results aren’t quite what they want to be on a consistent basis."

Jackson doesn’t back down from adversity, nor does he hide when things go wrong. He’s like shortstop Starlin Castro that way. Castro wore the blame more often than not last season when he had the worst year of his career. The difference is he rebounded and is earning every penny the Cubs are paying him.

As the Cubs’ big free-agent signing since the current front office took over, Jackson continues to do the opposite. There’s been no rebound year like Castro is having, though Jackson is keeping a positive attitude.

"Things can definitely turn around as quick as they go sour," he said of himself and the team. "I’ve seen crazier things happen in baseball. Teams get down, and, all of a sudden, everyone gets hot. You get on a streak and win seven, eight, nine ballgames in a row, and things turn around pretty fast. We’re definitely not writing the season off."

But the front office is doing just that, as surely as the ivy at Wrigley Field will eventually turn brown again. It’s the cycle the Cubs are in right now, and Jackson hasn’t helped matters.

After all, the streak he talks about can happen only if he pitches better than he has since becoming a Cub. And if and when Chicago trades Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel, the spotlight will only shine brighter on Jackson. They’ll be getting rid of their best pitchers while keeping a struggling one. It doesn’t seem fair if you’re a Cubs fan; then again, it rarely does anyway.

"He continues to grind," Renteria said. "He’s trying to work through those innings. It just didn’t work out for him today."

Nor most days since he came to Chicago.
 

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"That’s the great thing about starting," Jackson said. "You don’t get the job done one day, the next guy comes back behind you and gets it done.

So Jackson is saying If I suck then one of the other starters will soften it...wow how about not sucking and depending on others to carry your load.

Talk about capt excesses:
"He continues to grind," Renteria said. "He’s trying to work through those innings. It just didn’t work out for him today."
"Been feeling pretty good. I know the results aren’t quite what they want to be on a consistent basis."
"I thought for the most part I was able to contain them until the sixth inning," Jackson said after the loss. "For the most part I feel like I made a couple decent pitches."


Wow ya I contained them... I made a "couple" (I take that as more than 1 less than few) "decent" (again not bad but not great) pitches...

Why doesn't he just shut up and pitch. If I got smoked I'm not giving interviews. 5.22 ERA...If I have a good game then I would let others talk about it.

All he does is talk about it. All Rick does is try to soften the blow....swear how about not. We get it. He sucks and he is the worst of the starters by far. And it was a bad signing by far.
 

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Edwin Jackson's struggles look familiar
June, 26, 2014
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CHICAGO -- After a season and a half of Chicago Cubs pitcher Edwin Jackson trying to capture some of his past success, it might simply be time to admit that he is what he is: a starter that can’t do much better than allow four to five runs per game.

He can "grind" through outings and battle all he wants, but on most nights, several runs are going to be scored and he’s not going to outpitch his counterpart.

Wednesday was yet another one of those nights:

Jackson went 5⅓ innings while giving up four runs on six hits and four walks in a 4-1 loss to the Cincinnati Reds. That’s not a performance that will cost him his job, but it’s not anything a good team wants to see every fifth day, either.

Having said that, the Cubs are not a good team right now anyhow.

[+] EnlargeEdwin Jackson
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Cubs starter Edwin Jackson has a 5.22 ERA this season after 4.98 last season.
"I thought for the most part I was able to contain them until the sixth inning," Jackson said after the loss. "For the most part I feel like I made a couple decent pitches."

Containing them until the sixth inning isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement, not when opponent Mat Latos contained the Cubs all the way through seven innings. The latter had nothing to do with Jackson, but where is it written he can’t win a 2-1 or 1-0 game?

"Today was 1-1 ballgame," Cubs manager Rick Renteria said. "Both guys were pitching extremely well. I thought he had a chance to work himself through that inning. It just didn’t work out."

There was a walk, a double, a single and another double before Jackson was chased. In other words, it was a normal one-bad-inning outing for him.

He’s had one too many of those types of outings in his short Cubs career. He has a 5.22 ERA this season after 4.98 last year. Compared to the other Cubs starters, Jackson simply looks like he’s in a different class -- and not in a good way.

"That’s the great thing about starting," Jackson said. "You don’t get the job done one day, the next guy comes back behind you and gets it done.

"Been feeling pretty good. I know the results aren’t quite what they want to be on a consistent basis."

Jackson doesn’t back down from adversity, nor does he hide when things go wrong. He’s like shortstop Starlin Castro that way. Castro wore the blame more often than not last season when he had the worst year of his career. The difference is he rebounded and is earning every penny the Cubs are paying him.

As the Cubs’ big free-agent signing since the current front office took over, Jackson continues to do the opposite. There’s been no rebound year like Castro is having, though Jackson is keeping a positive attitude.

"Things can definitely turn around as quick as they go sour," he said of himself and the team. "I’ve seen crazier things happen in baseball. Teams get down, and, all of a sudden, everyone gets hot. You get on a streak and win seven, eight, nine ballgames in a row, and things turn around pretty fast. We’re definitely not writing the season off."

But the front office is doing just that, as surely as the ivy at Wrigley Field will eventually turn brown again. It’s the cycle the Cubs are in right now, and Jackson hasn’t helped matters.

After all, the streak he talks about can happen only if he pitches better than he has since becoming a Cub. And if and when Chicago trades Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel, the spotlight will only shine brighter on Jackson. They’ll be getting rid of their best pitchers while keeping a struggling one. It doesn’t seem fair if you’re a Cubs fan; then again, it rarely does anyway.

"He continues to grind," Renteria said. "He’s trying to work through those innings. It just didn’t work out for him today."

Nor most days since he came to Chicago.

Those are two horribly written articles.

As the second one mentions, Castro rebounded. So we should have a knee jerk reaction before he has a chance to rebound? It's not like we're going to lose a pennant race this year.
 

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