2014 Offseason Thread

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Because Oduya is gone after this season anyway and Oduya will command a nice return from some Eastern Conference team.</p></blockquote>


Meh, I don't really buy into that because then Sharp would've been traded. If Bowman wants to go all in for one more season with this group, splitting up his shut down d pairing isn't really doing that.

 

[LordKOTL]

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And who really will take on Versteeg?...maybe the Isles for some of their junk?</p>
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Considering we found takers for Karpotsev, Beach, Bollig, & Scott, I'm sure someone might be willing to take Versteeg for a 7th round draft pick and a twice-used enema nozzle.</p>

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

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Considering we found takers for Karpotsev, Beach, Bollig, & Scott, I'm sure someone might be willing to take Versteeg for a 7th round draft pick and a twice-used enema nozzle.</p></blockquote>
As long as it is twice used and nothing more. Not even a touch to the lips. Period.

 

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Considering we found takers for Karpotsev, Beach, Bollig, & Scott, I'm sure someone might be willing to take Versteeg for a 7th round draft pick and a twice-used enema nozzle.</p>
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Exactly. Who would've thought Bollig would have the kind of return he got? I know not everyone is Calgary/Brian Burke stupid, but for a guy like Versteeg you should be able to get a late round draft pick at least. </p>

 

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Rosi has a modified NTC. You also have to move enough for deadline moves and other resignings that are coming up like Seabrook. And I assume Saad and Kruger? And don't forget, before we know it we're going to have to raise the amount of the backup goalie.</p>
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Moving Rozsival and Versteeg creates more room than moving one of Oduya or Bickell. Both of whom (Versteeg and Rozie) I can't see being on the team past this year anyway if they were to stay on. They're gone regardless, just do it now and you don't have to lose more important players (much more important in the case of Oduya).</p>

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

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Exactly. Who would've thought Bollig would have the kind of return he got? I know not everyone is Calgary/Brian Burke stupid, but for a guy like Versteeg you should be able to get a late round draft pick at least.</p></blockquote>
Lot of cap space to take on for a player that is still a risk for only a late round pick.

 

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2,2m? Not really anymore. Frolik just got 3.3. Versteeg is not an absolutely horrible player. He just doesn't fit with the Hawks under their particular circumstances.</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

No Versteeg IS a horrible player. He had good years here previously due to the team around him and the line he played on. Guys like Andrew Ladd and even healthy Bolland carried his ass around the ice and fluff reporters like Sarah Spain sold him well to the fans. Steeg gets a pass because of his previous injuries excuses which may have hampered his overall game a little but it's more so his step away from playing the pest roll that has hampered his game the most. Someone at some point during his time with the Panthers, Flyers or Leafs told this guy he was a finesse player and to play like one. Whoever that was is an idiot and whoever told him to continue to try to be one last season with the Hawks is an idiot also. Only good thing Steeg was ever good at was being a pest...once he stopped doing that his entire game went to shit.</p>


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I'm sure he is tradeable but I feel bad for the idiots that would ever trade for him and think he should play a finesse roll. Good luck ever getting him to go back to the shit that worked for him.</p>

 

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He's a horrible player for the Hawks to have, because there's so much more value for them in seeing a player like Morin get his spot, an opportunity. Not every other team's circumstances are of Chicago's. He's a depth player, a role player, one the Hawks don't need because they have much better (and cost effective) options but not all other teams do and are in the type of spot the Hawks are in with the cap and the types of players that need to be brought back or stay for this upcoming season that are much more important.</p>


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Like someone else said, the Islanders might be a good spot for him, but it really doesn't matter where he goes or what the return is. The most value he now holds to the Hawks is in getting off the books. He was a gamble that didn't pay off. And he'll be a gamble for any other team that takes him, but  there are players like that which get traded or signed every year with that in mind.</p>

 

[MassHavoc]

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Moving Rozsival and Versteeg creates more room than moving one of Oduya or Bickell. Both of whom (Versteeg and Rozie) I can't see being on the team past this year anyway if they were to stay on. They're gone regardless, just do it now and you don't have to lose more important players (much more important in the case of Oduya).</p>
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except it doesn't. Moving Rosi and Steeg is going to cost you about the same I think around 4 mil as moving bickel, but if you can move one bigger salary then you only have to replace one, where as if you move two roster spots you have to replace them with two. So anything you save by moving those two you probably lose in the roster spot you still have to pay for. Meaning if you move two guys to save 4 mil instead of 1 guy to save 4 mil, the two guys who replace that spot are usually going to be more expensive than the 1 roster spot to replace.</p>

 

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Combined it's 4.4 for the both of them. And both are easily replaceable. You're talking about maybe around 200 hundred thousand dollars, if that, of difference here, pending on where you want depth, whether you want 8 d-men or an extra forward or whatever. Maybe less if any at all. Negligible difference whatever it is. And of which I'm using the two of the more expensive options of recalls/replacements in Teuvo's cap hit and Johns' cap hit in my scenario.  That's going to make you decide to get rid of more important players like Bickell or Oduya instead?  No thanks.</p>

 

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Considering we found takers for Karpotsev, Beach, Bollig, & Scott, I'm sure someone might be willing to take Versteeg for a 7th round draft pick and a twice-used enema nozzle.</p>
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Your insulting the enema nozzle. </p>

 

[winos5]

Trading Leddy would be easiest.    I'm sure there would be lots of interest.   No annoying NMC/NTC to work around.  Would get better return in picks/prospects.   Don't need roster players, they need depth on the farm.</p>

 

[LordKOTL]

My apologies to enema-nozzles everywhere.</p>


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When it comes to our guys moving, I look at it like this (from best to move to worst to move):</p>


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Versteeg:  IMHO virtually worthless to us.  Low hockey-IQ and not even the speed to make up for it (like he did in 2010).  2.2M is way too much for him, however, he has "been there and done that", and could be useful via a trade for a late-round pick or maybe off of waivers (addition by subtraction) to a team looking to make the cap floor.  Easily replacable by *anyone* who can fill out one of the 18 forward slots: Smith, Morin, Regin, hell, even Nordstrom.</p>


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Rosival: Like Zeus, geriactric.  Might not have much left in the tank but does have some decent hockeyIQ in the back-end.  He's also a rare righty.  His NTC makes it a bit more difficult to move.  If Runblad can't hack slot-6 he makes a good backup even though his 2.2M is kinda pricey.</p>


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Oduya:  Essentially superfluous when it comes to his play--Hamer does it way better.  Not a liability per se, but he had more "moments" than any other top-4. He's a lefty, which doesn't help his cause, but he can play with Hammer so he can be used as a plan-B if no one else works in the top-4.  No real pressing need to move him. </p>


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Bickell:  You can't teach size, which does make him valuable--if he's not injured.  He does have a wicked wrister, and can be a big bodied presence. However, at 4M he needs to produce--20G or more this coming year. However, this summer there's no real pressing need to move him.</p>


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Leddy:  Upside--you're looking at Brian Campbell of yesteryear, or maybe even Duncan Keith. Downside--even if he makes it to that level of play there's no way in the name of Pilote's scrotum that he will be signed for as-cap freindly of a deal as Keith is.  He's a lefty which doesn't help his cause. However, he is the best puck-carrier on the PP.  He should stay this year to see if he clicks in the top-4.</p>

 

[winos5]

Somebody is getting moved.   They have to dump about 3 million to get under cap and have wiggle room.</p>

 

[LordKOTL]

Not necessarily--especially if the 'hawks feel they don't need wiggle room.</p>


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The 'hawks right now are $2,216,795 over the cap. If TT starts in the A, that means we are only 1,322,628 over.  If we attempt to bury Versteeg (assuming we don't get lucky and someone claims him off of waivers, which would solve the problem) We then are over by only 397,628. </p>


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From there, there's 2 routs the 'hawks an take:  They can attempt to bury Rosival (again, if he's claimed off waivers it solves it) it gives us 527,372 in cap space (and this is assuming that Rosie's current contract is not on a 35+ (I don't believe it is,but I may be wrong).  They could also attempt to buy Rosival out, which would give us 769,039 in cap space, but handcuff us by 583,333 in 2015/16.  If I'm wrong and Rosie is on a 35+ contract, this won't work since we only save 100k, not the full 925k</p>


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The last idea would be sending Runblad through waivers, we get his full salary off the books, and thus end up with 387,372 in cap space.  The problem is in all likleyhood he would be claimed.</p>


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Unfortunately, I'm not sure how buyouts work on RSA contracts, like Versteeg.  Capgeek is spitting out a number based on his full contract, not the 2.2M we actually pay in cap.</p>


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All are really up against it, but still plausible.  We'd have no wiggle room unless we had an LTIR injury.  Still, in those secnarios we can lose TT off the roster if he starts in the A (which I think is a foregone conclusion), and 1 more forward and still ice the usual 12.  We can also lose 1 d-man and still have the 6.  Assuming no one is traded, the ideal scenario would be keeping TT down for the beginning of the year and Versteeg is claimed off of waivers, and if not him, then Rosival.  We'd make cap then.</p>


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Of course, the complete ideal situation is that we manage to move one or both of Rosival and Versteeg for a 7th round pick (maybe one for each).  </p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Ribiero only has a cap hit of $1.05 mil. Put a package together to Nashville.


Versteeg + Oduya for Ribiero and a 7th

 

[mikita's helmet]

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No Ver(turnover) IS a horrible player. He had good years here previously due to the team around him and the line he played on. Guys like Andrew Ladd and even healthy Bolland carried his ass around the ice and fluff(ers) <strike>reporters</strike> like Sarah Spain sold him well to the fans.</p>


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Fixed</p>

 

[winos5]

I'm not sure I trust capgeek.   They have Morin on the roster as well.   Not sure he starts the season in Chicago either.  </p>


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I lump any combination of Rosival, Versteeg or Rundblad being buried in the AHL and subjected to waivers as being moved.</p>


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I'll just rephrase it.   The roster as it stands today either at Capgeek or the officials is not the roster that will start the season.   There will be changes made.</p>


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I'll bet one of Bass, LaBrie or Mashinter makes the roster out of camp.  </p>

 

[LordKOTL]

The question is whether or not Morin is waiver-eligible (capgeeg says ne's not exempt from waivers).  I know TT is and I think those two would be the only ones that we can yoyo who are current on CapGeek's roster.</p>


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That being said, of out 14-fwd roster on Capgeek (they still have Zeus as #15), we can theoretically go without 2 forwards.  TT is the obvious choice.  I would like to think Verpass, if not traded or claimed off waivers, would be the next to go.  If Morin is down in the A and someone else is called up, as long as they are his cap hit or less it helps the cause (Rasmussen, Broadhurst, Ross, Nordstrom, LeBlanc, Mashinter, Bass, or Labrie). </p>


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I can't see any other forward moved down or out.  Regin is dirt-cheap and won't have much of an effect on the cap (making him a perfect 12/13). Saad at this point plays far beyond his sub-800k hit.  Everyone else we'd need someone coming back at a lower cost but decent ability with respect to who we'd theoretically send away to make it worthwhile.  The only outside shot is if we ditched Bickell for peanuts (not that I advocate it).</p>


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On D we have 7 shots (they still have Brookbank).  We can lose one and still ice a full D-corps.  Runblad is too cheap to make much of an impact, and thus it might be Rosival who's moved down or out.  Seabs is a RHD with skill--no way he's leaving our LHD-heavy team.  Keith and Hammer are bargains at their cap hits.  Leddy or Oduya *could* be moved for a lower cost player with some skill (preferably a righty). However, I think anyone moved off of the main roster (with the exception of TT, Morin, or Runblad), who is not named Versteeg or Rosival would be moving into the territory of "breaking up a team with the last shot at a cup before a purge".</p>