2014 Offseason Thread

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I don't see the point of signing Morin to a 2 year, one way deal if you aren't of the understanding with him and Q that he's going to at least start out the year playing with the Hawks and get a chance to hold down a spot. It really shouldn't be hard to see who is expendable and who isn't. You don't need to move anyone not named Versteeg or Rozisval.</p>


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http://www.capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster.php?id=39151&type=html</p>


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Again this is using the two more expensive options in Teuvo and Johns, so if someone thinks neither will make it, you'd have more cap space than this example. And you could switch out Nordstrom with any other forward you want  or for another d-man if you think they will run with 8. Or you could even run with 2 extra of both and they'd still make the cap. Just barely in that case, but that's how it's been in the past as well.</p>

 

[winos5]

<strike>Does that include goalies cause I don't see them on that link?</strike></p>


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Nevermind just saw it buried to the side of all the defensemen</p>

 

[LordKOTL]

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I don't see the point of signing Morin to a 2 year, one way deal if you aren't of the understanding with him and Q that he's going to at least start out the year playing with the Hawks and get a chance to hold down a spot. It really shouldn't be hard to see who is expendable and who isn't. You don't need to move anyone not named Versteeg or Rozisval.</p>


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http://www.capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster.php?id=39151&type=html</p>


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Again this is using the two more expensive options in Teuvo and Johns, so if someone thinks neither will make it, you'd have more cap space than this example. And you could switch out Nordstrom with any other forward you want  or for another d-man if you think they will run with 8. Or you could even run with 2 extra of both and they'd still make the cap. Just barely in that case, but that's how it's been in the past as well.</p>
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On the surface, I have very few problems with that lineup.  But that would mean that we'd have to lose Versteeg and Rosival for no cash coming back.  I have no problem with that concept, however, getting someone to take both either via waivers or a trade for a late-round pick and half-full barfbag is the real trick.</p>

 

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That's just where I disagree. With all the craziness with d-men in free agency, would it really be hard to find someone to take Rozisval for a year? And with Versteeg, again, he's bad for the Hawks under their particular circumstances, but as a role player for other teams who aren't as stacked? I don't see it being to hard to move him either with his cap hit cut in half, not with what other role players around the league have been getting.</p>

 

[LordKOTL]

I wasn't really disagreeing with you on it.  Rosival also has a limited NTC which may hamper him. Versteeg I think is movable, but the demand *may* not be high.</p>


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I could see Cal-gary taking him. </p>

 

[CLWolf81]

Having a Cup on his resume will be substantial to Steeger being moved. To where? Who really gives a damn as long as Cap space is cleared.... I never wanted him back here in the first place. </p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

It'll be interesting as to who gets moved, because someone definitely has to at this point and I gotta think it's a larger contract due to the following seasons Toews/Kane cap hit.

 

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I think it'll be after next season when you'll see a bigger contract like Bickell get traded or Sharp.</p>

 

[LordKOTL]

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I think it'll be after next season when you'll see a bigger contract like Bickell get traded or Sharp.</p>
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Agreed.</p>

 

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Roszival won't be hard to move at all. Hell, if Stan Bowman called Ken Holland right now, it could be done in 5 minutes. He's righthanded, which the Wings need badly, and age has never exactly been an issue in Detroit. Rundblad can keep the spare righty spot warm until Johns is ready to step into the lineup, midseason or the beginning of next year.</p>


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And if Stan could get a 3rd rounder for Bollig, I'm sure he can get somebody to bite on Versteeg. Of course, they can always say his knee isn't fully healed and put him on LTIR so save cap space, and be there as the fire axe in a glass case in case they lose a couple RWs.</p>


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But with Dahlbeck ready and Johns really close, and a buttload of forwards getting really close, expect a lot of transition on the Hawks' roster in the next couple years.</p>

 

[LordKOTL]

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Roszival won't be hard to move at all. Hell, if Stan Bowman called Ken Holland right now, it could be done in 5 minutes. He's righthanded, which the Wings need badly, and age has never exactly been an issue in Detroit. Rundblad can keep the spare righty spot warm until Johns is ready to step into the lineup, midseason or the beginning of next year.</p>


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And if Stan could get a 3rd rounder for Bollig, I'm sure he can get somebody to bite on Versteeg. Of course, they can always say his knee isn't fully healed and put him on LTIR so save cap space, and be there as the fire axe in a glass case in case they lose a couple RWs.</p>


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But with Dahlbeck ready and Johns really close, and a buttload of forwards getting really close, expect a lot of transition on the Hawks' roster in the next couple years.</p>
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I don't disagree, but if Rosie won't waive his limited NTC and we can't trade him to a team he'll accept, or no one bites on Versteeg, we might have to bury them.</p>


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I don't think it will happen; just playing devil's advocate here. </p>

 

[Forklift]

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I don't disagree, but if Rosie won't waive his limited NTC and we can't trade him to a team he'll accept, or no one bites on Versteeg, we might have to bury them.</p>


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I don't think it will happen; just playing devil's advocate here. :icon-smile:</p>
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Bury them how? You can't send them overseas like the Hawks did with Huet under the old CBA. This time they'd count against the Cap. I guess you could stick them on LTIR like they did with Khabibulin, but they each have some actual trade value.</p>


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I'm pretty sure Roszival would waive as long as the Hawks aren't sending him to the Oilers or Sabres. Versteeg's going to be a scratch on a nightly basis if he's still here. Unless the Hawks somehow move either Sharp or Bickell, the only LW spot is on the 4th line, and 4LW is where Q likes having his Flintstone - goodbye Bollig, hello, Manshitter.</p>

 

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Bury them how? You can't send them overseas like the Hawks did with Huet under the old CBA. This time they'd count against the Cap. I guess you could stick them on LTIR like they did with Khabibulin, but they each have some actual trade value.</p>


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I'm pretty sure Roszival would waive as long as the Hawks aren't sending him to the Oilers or Sabres. Versteeg's going to be a scratch on a nightly basis if he's still here. Unless the Hawks somehow move either Sharp or Bickell, the only LW spot is on the 4th line, and 4LW is where Q likes having his Flintstone - goodbye Bollig, hello, Manshitter.</p>
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If you "bury" a player, all but 925k counts against the cap--unless they are on a 35+ contract, then all but 100k does.  In other words, at Versteeg and Rosie's 2.2M each, if either is waived and not claimed, they count 1.275M against the cap, not the full 2.2. If we get to the* extreme situation where no one an be realistically moved to clear cap because no one will take Rosie or Versteeg* (i.e. worst case scenario):</p>


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We start at $2,216,795 over the cap. If we start TT in the monors that puts the team at $1,322,628 over.</p>


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You send one of Versteeg or Rosie through Waivers.  If they get claimed, problem solved.  If not, you take $925k off of the cap.  That puts the overage at $397,628.

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Then you send the other through waivers.  If they do get claimed, you can either bank cap at 20 players or bring someone back.  If not, you take $925k off the cap, that gives us $527,372 of capspace.</p>


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Again, that's *worst* case.  I doubt it gets that far, but I don't find that a major dire situation that would have Bowman on the ropes and at the mercy of other GM's.  After all, if an injury happens you have the LTIR cushion.</p>

 

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Sharp will be the one moved just prior to training camp.</p>

 

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Sharp will be the one moved just prior to training camp.</p>
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 If they plan to go for a run this upcoming year, then moving a player coming of their career year shouldn't be on the agenda. Especially when there are other less disrupting ways of shedding salary.</p>

 

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Yeah that rumor was killed a while back.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Sharpie traded still. While Bickell isn't as good as sharp, if he plays up to what he should, he could net 20-25 goals. Could always move Teuvo to the wing and have him play with Toews and Hoss.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Plus Sharp could actually net you an okay return.

 

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That means Q doesn't bench him for having horrible luck and actually puts him on the power play once in a while. Still I see no reason to lose a player like Sharp when there are much better options.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

That's to say other teams want our "better options". Sharp at least teams will take, and the return would be greater than say off loading Rosz or Versteeg who at this point, I don't see many teams wanting.


Trading Leddy would be a bad idea due to the fact we don't have a skilled dman who is as strong of a skater and good with the puck in the system. While he is currently buried in the lineup, who knows where he will be needed a year from now. If Keith were to ever go down due to injury, Leddy will be your best offensive dman. Don't forget also that with the Hawks possession style f play you need Leddy and while the defensive side of his game isn't great, its come a long way and he's still relatively young. I mean, he started with the Hawks at 19 and has shown improvement.