2015-16 NBA Around the League Thread

[clonetrooper264]

You think Butler is better than Leornard both ways? I don't see that. I think Leonard is vastly under rated still. The guy is a monster. He just plays in a system that he doesn't have to do it every night. This is hating on butler cause he is up there but Leornard is a true number 1


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I mean, I have them like 1a/1b. Leonard is fantastic. I guess I don't watch enough Spurs games to know if he's a shot creator or not. If he can, he is #1. In my head it was just taking better O over better D. Kawhi's efficiency is ridiculous even then so you can definitely say he's tops regardless.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I wouldn't take harden, but the other guys you named id love to have. that said, those guys aren't available and wont be any time soon. as far as potential upgrades that will actually be available, green might be one of the top SF in FA. a lot comes down to how much cap room the bulls end up with/create for themselves this offseason. if you could add a green and a center in FA and draft a solid young PG in the draft, then I like the direction of this team a lot more than I currently do at least. over the top? probably not, especially considering GS doesn't seem to be going anywhere the next few years. doesn't mean you stop trying though :shrug:

Sure, that's all true. Realistically, Green is an acquirable player and he'd definitely help push in the right direction.

 

[JefferyNotJefferies]

http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/artic...=5413&linksrc=mb_story_main_head_top_20239078

Uh oh

 

[czman]

lol I mean I'd take James Harden or Klay Thompson or Kawhi Leonard too. I just consider Jimmy to be the best 2 way player of the bunch by a smidge over Leonard. Preference though, I think a couple years back I was saying Klay was the best two way SG over Jimmy. Either way, yeah I think Green could help and he's definitely an upgrade over what we have. I just don't think he'd put us over the top or be a huge difference maker.

Wait, you would take Butler over Harden, Thompson and Leonard. I mean that is what you are saying when you say he is a better two way player. I would not take him over any of those 3 guys. All three are better players.

 

[SilenceS]

Wait, you would take Butler over Harden, Thompson and Leonard. I mean that is what you are saying when you say he is a better two way player. I would not take him over any of those 3 guys. All three are better players.

Well, Harden has no D. Klay can D up but he loses some offense when he does. Leonard to me is head and shoulders. If I am starting a team, Leonard is a top 5 pick. He can D up Lebron and still give you great offense. I don't think any of the others could. I think Steve Kerr said the other day that Leonard is the best two way player in the league. I know Pop thinks he is the best player on their team. Butler has shown toughness on both ends but Leonard is just incredible. The length and the size of his hands is remarkable. He has also shown the best work ethic maybe in the league. They all have there strengths but across the board I just want everything that is Leonard. I hold him in the same regard as Duncan. He will never be flashy. He will never be the hot thing in the NBA but he is so fundamentally sound that they just win. I mean I think we can all agree Duncan is one of the greatest of all time but how many seasons did people just talk about him. Not since he was part of the Twin Towers in my opinion but day in and day out he was the big fundamental that just produced.

 

[SilenceS]

Also, no knock on Harden. I called him a superstar way before people thought he could be one. He was my favorite player out of that draft and his offense is incredible but his D is lackluster.

 

[JimJohnson]

Why do people feel the need to invalidate what teams accomplish by trying to compare them?

Nobody is invalidating anything. Talking heads on TV are walking around with a boner in their pants claiming this GS team is the greatest of all-time and acting like Curry is the GOAT. He's the greatest shooter of all-time, that's it, not all around player. Jordan would abuse him psychologically and physically in a game.

 

[JimJohnson]

The homers are strong. As time has gone on, the 95-96 Bulls have grew into mythical proportion. Hysterical.

72-10. Then they went 11-1 (this included beating the Heat, a Knicks team led by Ewing, and the Magic led by O'Neal and Hardaway) on their way to reaching the finals. And then of course won that in 6.

When GS accomplishes all this, then we can talk. Until then: :gtfo:

 

[brett05]

The homers are strong. As time has gone on, the 95-96 Bulls have grew into mythical proportion. Hysterical.

Oh and no matter how much tougher the game was in the 90's. Jordan has been getting touch fouls and getting away with push offs since about 91. That wouldn't change. Also, why do people think GS is soft? They play within today's rule. Draymon Green would fit in quite nicely in the 90's. Also, the Bulls have never come close to seeing the shooting display that GS puts on. No one has. They just beat an incredibly talented and incredibly coach team by 30.

Minus their GOAT PF.

You can blindly love GS all you want. It is your right.

 

[brett05]

Its ok to be delusional homer. I hear they are trying to create a new drug to fix that.

Then you should be first in line. I hate MJ and am a fan of the Celtics. Nice try tho.

 

[SilenceS]

Minus their GOAT PF.

You can blindly love GS all you want. It is your right.

Tim Duncan is worth a +31? :lmao:

 

[SilenceS]

Then you should be first in line. I hate MJ and am a fan of the Celtics. Nice try tho.

Excuse me, 90's homerism. To say GS would get destroyed is hysterical.

 

[SilenceS]

72-10. Then they went 11-1 (this included beating the Heat, a Knicks team led by Ewing, and the Magic led by O'Neal and Hardaway) on their way to reaching the finals. And then of course won that in 6.

When GS accomplishes all this, then we can talk. Until then: :gtfo:

Are you ever going to give me the mean that GS is regressing to?

 

[clonetrooper264]

Wait, you would take Butler over Harden, Thompson and Leonard. I mean that is what you are saying when you say he is a better two way player. I would not take him over any of those 3 guys. All three are better players.

As I've thought more about it, I'd probably take Leonard over Butler, but in the context of a two way player, yes I'd take Butler over Harden and Thompson. Strictly offensively, those two are better than Butler, but in context of both players I think Butler gives you the most on both ends. I also forgot about Paul George at the time, I'd take him over Butler. In any case, I don't think it's worth stressing over who I'd prefer in this silly hypothetical.

 

[Axl Rose]

Klay is a very good defender and probably gives you more on that end than Jimmy does due to Jimmy having to do more on offense. i'd actually give Jimmy a edge in offense due to Jimmy being more consistent.

if i was building a team i think i would take Klay though. both are 2nd options but the difference is Klay's game seems to mesh better with being a 2nd option

of course im basing that on how Jimmy looks when Rose has it going...which is all we have to use to say how Jimmy plays with another ball dominant star. maybe if Jimmy was playing with a Nash type he'd be better as 2nd fiddle

 

[Benchmob757]

Excuse me, 90's homerism. To say GS would get destroyed is hysterical.

This GS team is the best team I've ever seen play. I was 5 years old during the Bulls' 72-win season so I think it would be a little disingenuous to say I watched basketball with the same level of analysis (although I did watch every Bulls game that came on TV and celebrated the championship by shaking and spraying Surge soda all over the house).

In a matchup though, I don't think GS has faced a defensive force like Jordan and Pippen, and even Rodman if you want to count him. Plus, Jordan on the other end would be too much for them to handle.

The styles of the team are different and their strengths are different, tendencies are different. Nobody was shooting that many threes at that time in the 90s, it would be an adjustment for the Bulls, I also think the speed of GS would force the Bulls to play small ball like they do. I think it would be cool to see.


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[knoxville7]

Excuse me, 90's homerism. To say GS would get destroyed is hysterical.

I guess it depends on what you consider destroyed? if you mean in a 7 game series the bulls win in 5 as destroyed, then yes they would get destroyed. if you mean blowouts of 30+ point wins, then no they wouldn't get destroyed. the reality is the 72 - 10 bulls were the superior team to todays GSW. how on earth are the warriors going to matchup? who guards Jordan? more importantly....who is steph curry going to guard? ron harper? okay, then 6'5 ron harper is literally posting up steph every time down the court. then you think about when GS is on offense....curry, Thompson, and barnes are all getting locked up by Jordan, pippen, and harper....elite defenders with length. its just not a good matchup for the dubs IMO. great team, but they don't matchup with the 72 - 10 bulls

 

[clonetrooper264]

This GS team is the best team I've ever seen play. I was 5 years old during the Bulls' 72-win season so I think it would be a little disingenuous to say I watched basketball with the same level of analysis (although I did watch every Bulls game that came on TV and celebrated the championship by shaking and spraying Surge soda all over the house).

In a matchup though, I don't think GS has faced a defensive force like Jordan and Pippen, and even Rodman if you want to count him. Plus, Jordan on the other end would be too much for them to handle.

The styles of the team are different and their strengths are different, tendencies are different. Nobody was shooting that many threes at that time in the 90s, it would be an adjustment for the Bulls, I also think the speed of GS would force the Bulls to play small ball like they do. I think it would be cool to see.


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FWIW, I think that Bulls team could do small ball just fine. Against the GS "death lineup" of Curry, Thompson, Barnes, Iggy, Green the Bulls can actually still match up fine with Harper, Jordan, Pippen, Kukoc, Rodman, which is a lineup I think they did use fairly often, though I am not actually sure. That Bulls team never did have a dominant post player in the traditional sense and I think they're actually pretty well suited to play small ball.

 

[knoxville7]

This GS team is the best team I've ever seen play. I was 5 years old during the Bulls' 72-win season so I think it would be a little disingenuous to say I watched basketball with the same level of analysis (although I did watch every Bulls game that came on TV and celebrated the championship by shaking and spraying Surge soda all over the house).

In a matchup though, I don't think GS has faced a defensive force like Jordan and Pippen, and even Rodman if you want to count him. Plus, Jordan on the other end would be too much for them to handle.

The styles of the team are different and their strengths are different, tendencies are different. Nobody was shooting that many threes at that time in the 90s, it would be an adjustment for the Bulls, I also think the speed of GS would force the Bulls to play small ball like they do. I think it would be cool to see.

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the 3 point frequency would be welcomed by the bulls. they would have loved the other team not making them work on the defensive end. if the bulls needed to play small ball, they had the roster to do so. a lineup of harper, Jordan, pippen, kukoc, and rodman would matchup well with GS's small ball. Longley would basically play when bogut is in the game only...the original Australian big man lol

 

[czman]

As I've thought more about it, I'd probably take Leonard over Butler, but in the context of a two way player, yes I'd take Butler over Harden and Thompson. Strictly offensively, those two are better than Butler, but in context of both players I think Butler gives you the most on both ends. I also forgot about Paul George at the time, I'd take him over Butler. In any case, I don't think it's worth stressing over who I'd prefer in this silly hypothetical.

Two way player means player in totality. That means that you would rather have one guy on the team than the other. There is no way I don't ship butler in a trade for Harden or Thompson. The paperwork would be submitted before the other GM could get the sentence out.