2015-16 NBA Around the League Thread

[czman]

LOL again @ you. whenever someone points out something wrong with your argument, they "clearly have never watched basketball before or don't remember that era." yet, I spend time getting on basketball and specifically bulls basketball message forums? doesn't seem to add up but whatever. I lived and breathed 90's basketball, basketball during that time in my life was my life. you come off as someone though who stopped watching basketball at the end of the 90's and someone who just automatically thinks everyone from that era is better than todays era. get off my grass!!! curry is a better overall player in either era than Stockton. that's not a knock on Stockton, who is one of the greats as well, its more a statement of how good curry is

and the whole curry/Stockton thing was brought up by you saying that they play a similar game and that's just not true. if you want to say Stockton would dominate today that's fine, but he wouldn't do it the same way curry does it

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Depends on the rules. If the games is called like it was in the 90s GS would get smashed. What makes GS so good is they waltz down the lane with no fear of getting planted. I don't think for one second that Curry would be even close to as an effective player as he is now ~20 years ago.

If you play by today's rules it is hard to guess at what would happen. We never those Bulls players play under these rules so it is hard to say how effective they would be; especially defensively. Under modern rules GS might have the advantage, but I would not get against MJ when he was at his peak.

Actually I don't, well maybe I do to the illiterate. I guess you can't be expected to remember things from today that are completely relevant to the conversation.

I think you need a mouse that can scroll.

 

[czman]

Hey man, if you think Curry wouldn't be effective because he wouldn't be able to handle it the way he does now or adjust, that's fine with me. Jordan got away with plenty of palming in his day but you can ignore that if you want to. Curry is way too skilled to be downplayed in any era.

First where did I say he would not be effective? I said he would not be as effective. There is no way he is scoring 30ppg on ~50% shooting ~20 years ago. Anyone who thinks that never saw the game. Curry probably scores a lot less and gets way more assist under the old rules. he gets in the lane and instead of putting himself at risk he dumps it off and gets assists.

Please don't attribute comments to me that are not what I stated. The words are right there and you can look at them anytime you want.

They're both undersized for the 4 but are both strong, gritty, and athletic enough to play there. Barkley was the better rebounder and scorer. Draymond is the better ball handler and passer but is still a good rebounder and offensive player in his own right. As far as your last comment, I'm not high on Niko whatsoever so I'm not sure that's even relevant.

I think that is crazy. Barkley was an anomaly. Green would have been a better Detlef Schrempf. He would not have been Barkley at all. I think that is a terrible comp.

 

[brett05]

Tim Duncan is worth a +31? :lmao:

you're the one that discounted him, not I.

 

[brett05]

Excuse me, 90's homerism. To say GS would get destroyed is hysterical.

You'll find not an educated soul that won't say basketball in the late 80's thru the late 90's was the best basketball the game has ever had.

 

[Enasic]

First where did I say he would not be effective? I said he would not be as effective. There is no way he is scoring 30ppg on ~50% shooting ~20 years ago. Anyone who thinks that never saw the game. Curry probably scores a lot less and gets way more assist under the old rules. he gets in the lane and instead of putting himself at risk he dumps it off and gets assists.

Please don't attribute comments to me that are not what I stated. The words are right there and you can look at them anytime you want.



I think that is crazy. Barkley was an anomaly. Green would have been a better Detlef Schrempf. He would not have been Barkley at all. I think that is a terrible comp.

The words are right there for you to see, my man. I never said Green would be Barkley. I compared them both being undersized. I also mentioned Rodman being undersized as well. Green would have been able to play the 4 in the 80s and 90s.

As far as the rest, I just don't really see it man. Great players adjust. I've seen Curry get hammered in the paint and I've seen him continuing to do what he wants on offense. How less effective do you think he would be? Right now he's the best in the league....so would you see that 20 years ago? Top 5? Top 10? If I'm understanding your argument correctly, you're saying Curry would be less effective in the paint because he would get hit more? Causing him to play more tentative? Even if he did score less and average more assists, wouldn't he still be extremely effective? I think you're arguing just to argue but like I said from the beginning, there's no way any of us can say with any certainty what would happen. But your arguments about ball handling being flagged by refs and him trying to avoid more risk in paint just don't really hold up. He can score from anywhere on the court and he takes more 3s anyway than he does 2s. If you hammer him in the paint, he'll beat you somewhere else. ASSUMING he plays tentative after getting hit a couple times. Personally, I think it wouldn't effect him.

 

[SilenceS]

I said 1 player, Thomas is it. I also disagree that there has never been a player like Curry. I suspect that Curry would be like John Stockton in his prime. Players now go in the lane without fear. Players back in the day did not. You watch old games an PGs kept their feet on the floor a lot more. They did not elevate to pass nearly as much. When you are worried about getting hit you keep your feet on the floor.

The NBA is completely different. There is no way Green/Barnes/Iggy play the 4 ~20 years ago either.

Here is what kills me about this. Don Nelson tried small ball and it failed. We have teams that tried to play like the Warriors over the years and it didn't work till the rules and refs changed the game. What works now failed to be successful years ago. Curry is only what he is because the NBA allows him to be it. You allow players to grab, hand check, and foul him hard (I don't mean close line) he is not the same player.

There has never in the history of the game been a team with a shooting back court like GS and there has never been a player in history like Steph Curry. John Stockton? They are not even in the realm of the same players. Curry runs his defenders ragged and has one of the best ball handling skills of all time and unlimited range. He is more like Pistol Pete than John Stockton and he is better than Pistol Pete. I watch old 90's basketball film all the time. They are not near as athletic as today's athletes. Sure, the elite were but no where class to the athleticism in the league now.

 

[SilenceS]

You'll find not an educated soul that won't say basketball in the late 80's thru the late 90's was the best basketball the game has ever had.

I never disagreed. I watch old games all the time. GS would play with any great team.

 

[Benchmob757]

If we look at the main things that make a difference, to me, is the hand checking rule and the intro of flagrant fouls. The game was a little more physical back then but let's not act like they were playing tackle football out there.

A lot of the time people romanticize the old physical NBA, like what the Pistons did was acceptable and the norm.

The NBA now has better athletes than ever before, I think they could handle some extra contact.


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[SilenceS]

you're the one that discounted him, not I.

What? You said they were missing Duncan. I asked if he was worth +31. Simple. He isn't and it was moot point

 

[SilenceS]

If we look at the main things that make a difference, to me, is the hand checking rule and the intro of flagrant fouls. The game was a little more physical back then but let's not act like they were playing tackle football out there.

A lot of the time people romanticize the old physical NBA, like what the Pistons did was acceptable and the norm.

The NBA now has better athletes than ever before, I think they could handle some extra contact.


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Jordan got every call for years. People seem to forget that.

 

[clonetrooper264]

He can score from anywhere on the court and he takes more 3s anyway than he does 2s.

10 3s and 9 2s per game average. Shoots 45% on 3s and 59% on 2s. Unreal...

 

[Enasic]

Jordan got every call for years. People seem to forget that.

Got every call and also got away with a ton of hacks and fouls. Not a knock on Jordan. All the greats do. But the truth is the truth.

 

[brett05]

What? You said they were missing Duncan. I asked if he was worth +31. Simple. He isn't and it was moot point

You were stating the margin of victory as if it meant something. It's all on your young one.

 

[Scoot26]

Randoms for the day:

This will be the 1st All-Star game since 1997 without either Dirk Nowitzki OR Tim Duncan

SportsCenter on Twitter: "Isaiah Thomas is the lowest draft pick (60th) to ever make an NBA All-Star game since NBA went to 2 rounds in 1989. https://t.co/EhKwb5NBrN"

David Alridge reports D'angelo Russell has no idea what to ask Byron in order to improve and is completely lost as a point guard

 

[Enasic]

He shouldn't really have to ask a ton of questions. Scott should be coaching and teaching him.

 

[knoxville7]

He shouldn't really have to ask a ton of questions. Scott should be coaching and teaching him.

while that's absolutely true, scott is probably shocked at the fact he has to go back to 5th grade fundamentals with Russell. stuff scott hasn't had to go over with anyone since he himself was in 5th grade lol it just goes to show how AAU basketball is ruining the game today

 

[Crystallas]

I wouldn't know what to ask a coach that was hired for the purpose of tanking, either.

 

[clonetrooper264]

while that's absolutely true, scott is probably shocked at the fact he has to go back to 5th grade fundamentals with Russell. stuff scott hasn't had to go over with anyone since he himself was in 5th grade lol it just goes to show how AAU basketball is ruining the game today

Tank commander Byron Scott is not concerned about DLo's fundamentals.

 

[Benchmob757]

while that's absolutely true, scott is probably shocked at the fact he has to go back to 5th grade fundamentals with Russell. stuff scott hasn't had to go over with anyone since he himself was in 5th grade lol it just goes to show how AAU basketball is ruining the game today

Sometimes I'm shocked at how these players get so far and are among the top talents coming into the league but don't know basics, or don't know how to shoot the ball. Like what do they practice their whole lives?


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[Scoot26]

Sometimes I'm shocked at how these players get so far and are among the top talents coming into the league but don't know basics, or don't know how to shoot the ball. Like what do they practice their whole lives?


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