*2015 AL Central Thread*

[The Hawk]

He was a starter in college. You're over thinking this, IMHO. Stick him at AAA and let him start until he's ready to start in Chicago.

You really have a very simplistic view of what happens regarding the development of pitchers. Saying someone was a starter in college and trying to use that as an argument to why he should only be viewed as a starter in the major leagues is amazingly naive. Most of the pitchers drafted in baseball are starters in high school and college. In fact the overwhelming number of them are starters. It is in the pros where they all get sorted out.

But what you miss way beyond that is the very real possibility that Rodon could conceivably help this team this season and I, for one, would like that to happen. I also, would like for Cooper to have an early shot at this guy just like he got with Sale.

 

[nickofypres]

Most typically spend 1.5/2 years in the minors, then get called up. That list includes:

Strasburg, Harvey, Fernandez, etc

The days of minor leaguers hanging out in the minors doesn't happen anymore, guy.

But were not talking about your typical high draft pick pitcher, we're talking about a dude that was highly touted, and most believed he was going to be in the majors before no time. And he only ups his value starting. You literally waste him in the bullpen. The Reds are doing it to Aroldis Chapman.

 

[nickofypres]

What makes you think that you more about it than we do?

Because I'm not that guy who wants the high ceiling starter in the bullpen.

Between NCAA, AA, and AAA Rodon got 122.2 IP. If you throw him in the pen you're cutting his innings by 50%, and then the next year you have restart stretching his arm out.

 

[The Hawk]

When did I say have in Charlotte all year? If you're going to criticise me, at least read my posts. I said start him in AAA to stretch him out and call him up when needed/after the appropriate time to get the extra year. Would he also not work with Coop is ST? I mean come on...

You can't treat everyone the same, you have to do it at a player-by-player basis.

I read you posts. Quit nit picking. Sending him down to Charlotte and then "calling him up" in order to get the extra year is the same thing as not giving him any value to the big club this season. And working with Coop in spring training is not nearly the same as having him on an 11 man staff with Cooper an entire season. As for you not treating everyone the same, no one is. They do treat everyone differently. You're just hung up on the extra year and I give a shit about the extra year for pitchers.

 

[The Hawk]

I'll just take that as you're admitting I'm right.

That will be the day

 

[The Hawk]

Chisox is literally the most obnoxious poster I've ever encountered.

Nah. He's just peachy with me. Some people just don't like to be told that they are wrong.

 

[nickofypres]

I read you posts. Quit nit picking. Sending him down to Charlotte and then "calling him up" in order to get the extra year is the same thing as not giving him any value to the big club this season. And working with Coop in spring training is not nearly the same as having him on an 11 man staff with Cooper an entire season. As for you not treating everyone the same, no one is. They do treat everyone differently. You're just hung up on the extra year and I give a shit about the extra year for pitchers.

Cooper will still get his hands on him once he arrives to Chicago. So Rodon doesn't interact with Cooper for 2 months, or whatever, who cares. You act like Cooper won't be telling Richard Dotson what to work on with Rodon in Charlotte.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

chisox cool it down bro


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Cool what down? Of all the shit being thrown my way, I'm being nice. I said he was clueless because of a direct quote. You see that. You also see the provocations, which you've done nothing about. I atleast have the right to defend myself.


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[The Hawk]

Most typically spend 1.5/2 years in the minors, then get called up. That list includes:

Strasburg, Harvey, Fernandez, etc

The days of minor leaguers hanging out in the minors doesn't happen anymore, guy.

But were not talking about your typical high draft pick pitcher, we're talking about a dude that was highly touted, and most believed he was going to be in the majors before no time. And he only ups his value starting. You literally waste him in the bullpen. The Reds are doing it to Aroldis Chapman.

I do not think that you have your facts correct. IN fact I had a kid drafted #7 over-all by the Pirates a few years ago. He started both in my high school and at Clemson. Spent 3-4 years working his way onto the Pirates roster and then got cut. This is the norm more than not. You would have to show me more than just a couple of examples of guys pretty much going into a starting team's rotation after one year or a year and a half in the minor leagues. Quite a few more, really.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

Because I'm not that guy who wants the high ceiling starter in the bullpen.

Between NCAA, AA, and AAA Rodon got 122.2 IP. If you throw him in the pen you're cutting his innings by 50%, and then the next year you have restart stretching his arm out.

The Sox aren't worried about getting max starter innings from Rodon. They want to see how he performs in sitautions against big league hitters first, then progressively increase his innings from there. He'll probably spend a month in the pen, best case scenario. That's not as big a deal as you're making it out to be.


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[The Hawk]

Cool what down? Of all the shit being thrown my way, I'm being nice. I said he was clueless because of a direct quote. You see that. You also see the provocations, which you've done nothing about. I atleast have the right to defend myself.


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This cool down stuff is pretty funny actually. ANd what "provocations"? Is this somekind of church group here going on? Come now.

 

[nickofypres]

The Sox aren't worried about getting max starter innings from Rodon. They want to see how he performs in sitautions against big league hitters first, then progressively increase his innings from there. He'll probably spend a month in the pen, best case scenario. That's not as big a deal as you're making it out to be.


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Link?

 

[ChiSoxCity]

When did I say have in Charlotte all year? If you're going to criticise me, at least read my posts. I said start him in AAA to stretch him out and call him up when needed/after the appropriate time to get the extra year. Would he also not work with Coop is ST? I mean come on...

You can't treat everyone the same, you have to do it at a player-by-player basis.

What do you think Rodon's been doing since they drafted him?


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[ChiSoxCity]

Link?

Already posted about a week ago. Search the Sox page.


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[nickofypres]

What do you think Rodon's been doing since they drafted him?


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He's been starting like he should be.

You, Hawk, and Brett are the brigade that want him to be in the bullpen next year.

 

[nickofypres]

Already posted about a week ago. Search the Sox page.

"But a Sox team stocked with left-handed starters has no reason to rush him and if Rodon carves out a roster spot, it may be in the bullpen"


Yeah, it may be in the bullpen, it may be in the rotation. That doesn't really back what you're saying. He'll face big league hitters in Spring Training, but that has no correlation between him starting in AAA, or Chicago.

 

[DewsSox79]

when you are the type of pick that rodon is, you dont put him in the pen for a few reasons.

1) we are trying to contend not give practice innings to a rookie.

2) he needs to be stretched out and see how his body reacts to pitching in this type of schedule in AAA

3) if he buzzes through AAA and dominates he will get promoted, if he struggles while contending he will be back down.

4) he needs to be polished up. development is crucial.

do you see the FA class next year? wouldnt you rather groom him in hopes he is dominant and the sox dont have to be like other teams and give out 150 million dollar contracts to guys that have miles on their arm. sale,q,rodon could make a crazy trio if rodon is what they think he is and if prepped correctly.

i just see no reason to rush


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[Parade_Rain]

Wow. So the guy can't have an opinion about a guy starting or not? Man, are you ever strict!

Reading comprehension. Get some.

 

[Parade_Rain]

You really have a very simplistic view of what happens regarding the development of pitchers. Saying someone was a starter in college and trying to use that as an argument to why he should only be viewed as a starter in the major leagues is amazingly naive. Most of the pitchers drafted in baseball are starters in high school and college. In fact the overwhelming number of them are starters. It is in the pros where they all get sorted out.

But what you miss way beyond that is the very real possibility that Rodon could conceivably help this team this season and I, for one, would like that to happen. I also, would like for Cooper to have an early shot at this guy just like he got with Sale.

You don't draft a relief pitcher with a #1 pick. It really is that simple. Its also a difference in attitude on the mound. That's why being a starter in college matters. Perhaps you are the one who has a simplistic view of pitchers. :dunno:

 

[brett05]

It really isn't that hard of an idea to grasp on to. Not sure why Brett, Hawk, and Chisox can't figure it out.

Please post the list of college relievers that get drafted....I'll logout and await my answer.